Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:29 pm

Eddie wrote:Videl even implied that Gohan wasn't nearly as powerful at that final tenkaichi budokai.

Where does it imply that? Maybe it's anime only, because I don't see anything in the manga.

As for Gohan getting weaker, I don't know.. First of all, we know that he might have been weaker fighting Dabura, but we don't know why. Was it simply because, like in real life, you lose muscles you don't use? Or was it a concentration thing? Was it that he hadn't used his full power for a long time and was having a hard time letting it loose? It wouldn't be the first time for Gohan, after all. It's the same sort of deal really, he was rusty, but it could be that he was rusty mentally rather than physically.

As for Mystic, when it comes to that I really don't know. It's magic that says "you can bring all your hidden power to the surface now." If Gohan still has this Mystic thing, then the only way I can imagine he could have gotten weaker is if his hidden power itself somehow diminished. Is that even possible?

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:33 pm

His hidden power before hand might not have been fully and casually accessible, but I would suspect the loss of Pan in this comic will have his blood boiling ever so familiarly once again.

I know I'd be placing my money on Gohan if he were fighting Bojack right now.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:54 pm

JulieYBM wrote:His hidden power before hand might not have been fully and casually accessible,

He doesn't have any power hidden any more.

I know I'd be placing my money on Gohan if he were fighting Bojack right now.

Mystic Gohan versus Bojack and you bet on Gohan? WOH HO HO such a gamble thar, bud.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:57 pm

Rocketman wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:His hidden power before hand might not have been fully and casually accessible,
He doesn't have any power hidden any more.

'Hidden power' as in the power he had as Ultimate Gohan. The upper levels might have gotten unfamiliar to him without use, but my point is that as he is now, that might not be completely true anymore.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:22 pm

Bussani wrote:
Eddie wrote:Videl even implied that Gohan wasn't nearly as powerful at that final tenkaichi budokai.
Where does it imply that? Maybe it's anime only, because I don't see anything in the manga.

As for Gohan getting weaker, I don't know.. First of all, we know that he might have been weaker fighting Dabura, but we don't know why. Was it simply because, like in real life, you lose muscles you don't use? Or was it a concentration thing? Was it that he hadn't used his full power for a long time and was having a hard time letting it loose? It wouldn't be the first time for Gohan, after all. It's the same sort of deal really, he was rusty, but it could be that he was rusty mentally rather than physically.

As for Mystic, when it comes to that I really don't know. It's magic that says "you can bring all your hidden power to the surface now." If Gohan still has this Mystic thing, then the only way I can imagine he could have gotten weaker is if his hidden power itself somehow diminished. Is that even possible?

That`s not the only way.

What the Rou kaioshin did is basically a spell.

There is nothing to suggest that the effects of the spell are permanent or that it doesn`t wear off if the person doesn`t train to keep his level of power.
So he could still have the mystic thing but because of lack of training or simply because it isn`t permanent, the effects would start to wear off, if they didn`t disappear all at once.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:27 pm

rereboy wrote:That`s not the only way.

What the Rou kaioshin did is basically a spell.

There is nothing to suggest that the effects of the spell are permanent or that it doesn`t wear off if the person doesn`t train to keep his level of power.

If the spell wore off, he wouldn't be Mystic. I said "If he is still Mystic".

Besides, how would training stop a spell from wearing off? He didn't have to train to make the spell work in the first place. I guess it's possible, but it seems like an odd assumption to make.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:47 pm

If the spell wears off instead of just dropping completely all at once, he remains mystic (as in more powerful than he would be without the spell) but less powerful than he was when he first got the spell, until the spell wears off completely. Unless you want to call that state something different.

As to why the effects of the spell would/could wear off due to lack of training, that can be possible if we consider that the spell opened up "channels" within Gohan`s body and spirit that allow him to access his full potencial/talent. Channels which begin to close if they are not used, acting somewhat like a muscle.
To use a metaphor, Gohan usually accesses his talent/potencial through channel-like roads with restrictions while the channels that the spell created are like highways without restrictions, right to his potencial.
But if they are not used, they begin to close until all that remains is the normal access.

If the spell isn`t permanent then those channels begin to close with time no matter what.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:04 pm

I was working under the assumption that 'Mystic' was the end result. Calling half-Mystic Mystic would be like calling Quasi-Super Saiyajin Super Saiyajin, if that makes sense.

I guess it's possible that it would wear off in steps like that, but there's no evidence for it. No evidence against it either, I guess. So yeah.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:08 pm

Yes, there is no evidence. I`m just stating the possibilities.

Btw, one way of the potential within a person diminish is by old age, in my opinion.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:11 pm

Well look at it this way, if the spell was to bring the power out only then it accomplished its purpose. Once the power had surfaced Son Gohan would have had to maintain it, there is nothing in the book of magic that says a spell has to accomplish more than one thing, that is bring out the power and maintain it as well.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:59 pm

Oh man, I think I'm hearing this dialogue in my head with the Shen Long theme playing in the background! O.o

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:06 pm

The dub Shenron theme? Because that's the one I'm playing in my head, too.

And Damn, I shouldn't have watched the History of Trunks before this, because Dameon Clarke's Future Gohan voice is the one I hear in my head as I'm reading, not Kyle Hebert's regular Gohan

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JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:13 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:The dub Shenron theme? Because that's the one I'm playing in my head, too.

And Damn, I shouldn't have watched the History of Trunks before this, because Dameon Clarke's Future Gohan voice is the one I hear in my head as I'm reading, not Kyle Hebert's regular Gohan .

Nah, the Japanese one: Shenlong Shutsugen.

Reading with Nozawa in m' head, too.

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:14 pm

Honestly I'm totally lost when it comes to this whole "Gohan's hidden-but-not-so-hidden, mystic, rage, resurfaced but not maintain because of lack training, lost, not lost, could be stronger than SS4 or pussy weak, secret power thing."

Maybe I have to read the manga again or watch the anime to keep up with you guys.

Ah, I see the new page is up. Maybe, just maybe, this Wednesday we'll get to see the next match. Or we can get more pages of Gohan being awesome. The writers seem to have a hard-on for him recently. Not that I blame them.

jjgp1112 wrote:And Damn, I shouldn't have watched the History of Trunks before this, because Dameon Clarke's Future Gohan voice is the one I hear in my head as I'm reading, not Kyle Hebert's regular Gohan Razz .

When I read the page all I heard Kyle Hebert's voice whispering sweet nothings in my ear. With of course the Shen Long theme playing softly in the background.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:16 pm

Well, this little subplot deserves as much breathing space as it needs. While the fights are center-focus a little drama and exploration of all the different characters is just as interesting, if not more so.

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:23 pm

Couldn't they jus go to their universe and resurect her there?

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:26 pm

Rod wrote:Couldn't they jus go to their universe and resurect her there?

They might not to lose that wish, or it's already been used!

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:26 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Well, this little subplot deserves as much breathing space as it needs. While the fights are center-focus a little drama and exploration of all the different characters is just as interesting, if not more so.

ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

*snort* Huh, I'm sorry. You lost me somewhere at "plot" and "drama."

I'm kidding of course. In fact I'm enjoying this greatly and I'm glad the story is focusing on something other than fighting. BUT I didn't start reading DBM for Shakespearean like drama, let's see some faces being punched! Again, I'm just screwing around but I do have very sort attention span and two pages a week is already wearing me thin.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:26 pm

Although the more I think about it, the only dub theme that would fit with this is obviously Gohan Angers

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:22 pm

Am I the only one hoping that the daughter of Vegetto lays Gohan out with a single punch?