Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Saiyan-Professor]

I must say that I thoroughly enjoyed that page, and it seemed rather GT-ish, but we know that is not the case because GT is the devil.

[mattymoron]

I must say that I thoroughly enjoyed that page, and it seemed rather GT-ish, but we know that is not the case because GT is the devil.

I got that vibe too, especially Vegeta's reaction shot...

I really don't understand why GT is hated so much...I really don't.

[rereboy]

I must say that I thoroughly enjoyed that page, and it seemed rather GT-ish, but we know that is not the case because GT is the devil.

I got that vibe too, especially Vegeta's reaction shot...

I really don't understand why GT is hated so much...I really don't.

GT had great ideas (except maybe turning Goku into a kid, or at least allowing him to remain as a kid until the very end) but very poor "delivery" of those ideas.

They could do a much better show with the same basic ideas for the sagas just by changing that "delivery". Removing inconsistencies, making some things more natural and believable, explaining somethings (like mystic Gohan and how Goku as a SSJ 4 turns into a adult), turning Goku into a adult at some point in the show, not having the fighters be afraid of being in SSJ form ( in GT it looked like they had a fixation with remaining in base form ), giving uub a more prominent role, etc...

[Saiyan-Professor]

I must say that I thoroughly enjoyed that page, and it seemed rather GT-ish, but we know that is not the case because GT is the devil.

I got that vibe too, especially Vegeta's reaction shot...

I really don't understand why GT is hated so much...I really don't.

GT had great ideas (except maybe turning Goku into a kid, or at least allowing him to remain as a kid until the very end) but very poor "delivery" of those ideas.

They could do a much better show with the same basic ideas for the sagas just by changing that "delivery". Removing inconsistencies, making some things more natural and believable, explaining somethings (like mystic Gohan and how Goku as a SSJ 4 turns into a adult), turning Goku into a adult at some point in the show, not having the fighters be afraid of being in SSJ form ( in GT it looked like they had a fixation with remaining in base form ), giving uub a more prominent role, etc...

That goes to show how it is all really subjective because most of the things you mentioned I like or do not have a problem with. I for one liked how they put Son Gohan in his rightful place (on the sidelines) and how Vegeta and Kakarrot had become so strong that they could fight most battles in base form without expending extra Ki.

[JulieYBM]

I for one liked how they put Son Gohan in his rightful place (on the sidelines)

His 'right place' is where the plot dictates he be.

[rereboy]

I got that vibe too, especially Vegeta's reaction shot...

I really don't understand why GT is hated so much...I really don't.

GT had great ideas (except maybe turning Goku into a kid, or at least allowing him to remain as a kid until the very end) but very poor "delivery" of those ideas.

They could do a much better show with the same basic ideas for the sagas just by changing that "delivery". Removing inconsistencies, making some things more natural and believable, explaining somethings (like mystic Gohan and how Goku as a SSJ 4 turns into a adult), turning Goku into a adult at some point in the show, not having the fighters be afraid of being in SSJ form ( in GT it looked like they had a fixation with remaining in base form ), giving uub a more prominent role, etc...

That goes to show how it is all really subjective because most of the things you mentioned I like or do not have a problem with. I for one liked how they put Son Gohan in his rightful place (on the sidelines) and how Vegeta and Kakarrot had become so strong that they could fight most battles in base form without expending extra Ki.

I don`t have a problem with Son Gohan being on the sidelines. But they didn`t even bothered to explain exactly what happened to his mystic form! It would only take 10 seconds for someone to explain it. And thats just an example.

Some of what I said is my personal preferences.. But there are a large amount of inconsistencies that could be improved or done differently.

There is something very wrong when I can read the developed summaries of the sagas and of the entire show and think its actually cool and when I see the actual show I don`t like as much

[Innagadadavida]

I don't like how they just threw away some of Toriyamas original intentions at the end of Z. It's clear that Uub was supposed to be the successor of Goku. But he ended up being another sideline character in GT.

[Rocketman]

how Vegeta and Kakarrot had become so strong that they could fight most battles in base form without expending extra Ki.

They had mastered Super Saiyan to the point that it didn't expend any extra ki.


And how the fuck did they get that powerful just by screwing around on Earth.


And Vegeta was not that strong, only ~GOKU~ was.

[Saiyan-Professor]

how Vegeta and Kakarrot had become so strong that they could fight most battles in base form without expending extra Ki.

They had mastered Super Saiyan to the point that it didn't expend any extra ki.


And how the fuck did they get that powerful just by screwing around on Earth.


And Vegeta was not that strong, only ~GOKU~ was.

Well I see what people mean by Uub taking over but Vegeta never got his opportunity to be earth’s protector so at least Toei explored that slightly in the Super #17 Saga. Vegeta power was inconsistent in the Bebi Saga he had to go full power to beat Son Gohan and Goten. Then in the Super #17 arc he appears to be the only one that can even challenge him (until everyone’s hero arrives) while the rest is nothing in comparison. One would figure that if Vegeta were that strong Son Gohan and Goten would be a cakewalk compared to Super #17.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

how Vegeta and Kakarrot had become so strong that they could fight most battles in base form without expending extra Ki.

They had mastered Super Saiyan to the point that it didn't expend any extra ki.


And how the fuck did they get that powerful just by screwing around on Earth.


And Vegeta was not that strong, only ~GOKU~ was.

Well I see what people mean by Uub taking over but Vegeta never got his opportunity to be earth’s protector so at least Toei explored that slightly in the Super #17 Saga. Vegeta power was inconsistent in the Bebi Saga he had to go full power to beat Son Gohan and Goten. Then in the Super #17 arc he appears to be the only one that can even challenge him (until everyone’s hero arrives) while the rest is nothing in comparison. One would figure that if Vegeta were that strong Son Gohan and Goten would be a cakewalk compared to Super #17.

Gohan was supposed to be protector, then the editor forced him to continue DBZ.

Vegeta's power was ~super~ strong until Goten arrived and cut his face. Plus Baby enhanced their power by infecting them.

No one can beat Super 17. Only Son Goku can. He beat Cell and Freeza in base form.

[Saiyan-Professor]

...Gohan was supposed to be protector, then the editor forced him to continue DBZ.

I believe Herms mentioned that Toriyama said in a interview that Son Gohan was not cut out to be the hero type.

Vegeta's power was ~super~ strong until Goten arrived and cut his face. Plus Baby enhanced their power by infecting them.

I never thought of that before, excellent point.

No one can beat Super 17. Only Son Goku can. He beat Cell and Freeza in base form.

Well that is the way it appeared but Vegeta did last the longest against him and he actually almost connected with a kick if I remember correctly.

[Pain]

Plus Baby enchanced their power by infecting them.

No one can beat Super 17. Only Son Goku can. He beat Cell and Freeza in base form.

I Don't Remember Ever Hearing That Baby Enhanced Anyone's Strength Permanently.

And That Was GT, So I Don't Really See GT Kid Son Goku As Being Stronger Than Cell In His base form. But Then Again, I Guess Anything Is Possible In The Magical World of Dragonball.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Plus Baby enchanced their power by infecting them.

No one can beat Super 17. Only Son Goku can. He beat Cell and Freeza in base form.

I Don't Remember Ever Hearing That Baby Enhanced Anyone's Strength Permanently.

And That Was GT, So I Don't Really See GT Kid Son Goku As Being Stronger Than Cell In His base form. But Then Again, I Guess Anything Is Possible In The Magical World of Dragonball.

1. I didn't say permanently

2. Goku becomes super strong by attaining SSJ3 and train with Uub for 5 years. No doubt Goku had enough power to beat crap outta Cell in his base form.

[Saiyan-Professor]

Plus Baby enchanced their power by infecting them.

No one can beat Super 17. Only Son Goku can. He beat Cell and Freeza in base form.

I Don't Remember Ever Hearing That Baby Enhanced Anyone's Strength Permanently.

And That Was GT, So I Don't Really See GT Kid Son Goku As Being Stronger Than Cell In His base form. But Then Again, I Guess Anything Is Possible In The Magical World of Dragonball.

1. I didn't say permanently

2. Goku becomes super strong by attaining SSJ3 and train with Uub for 5 years. No doubt Goku had enough power to beat crap outta Cell in his base form.

As I always mention in other threads that GT emphasized that, Kakarrot and Vegeta had surpassed Z-level strength, just as Z went beyond the combat power levels that we saw in Dragonball. Therefore, I do not find it strange that Kakarrot or Vegeta could easily defeat Freeza or Cell in their base forms. Vegeta was going toe to toe with Hell Fighter #17 who I imagine was stronger than the original and it did not even look as if Vegeta was putting forth a real effort. He was just shocked that Hell Fighter #17 could fight evenly with the level of power Vegeta was putting out in his base form. To me that meant that Vegeta was far stronger than original #17 in his base form.

[Rocketman]

Goten arrived and cut his face. Plus Baby enchanced their power by infecting them.

Yes, and Goten cut the right side of Vegeta's face by firing an attack at his back that Vegeta deflected to the left with his left hand.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Goten arrived and cut his face. Plus Baby enchanced their power by infecting them.

Yes, and Goten cut the right side of Vegeta's face by firing an attack at his back that Vegeta deflected to the left with his left hand.

I never cease to amaze by Toei's countless errors.

[Metalwario64]

Plus Baby enchanced their power by infecting them.

No one can beat Super 17. Only Son Goku can. He beat Cell and Freeza in base form.

I Don't Remember Ever Hearing That Baby Enhanced Anyone's Strength Permanently.

And That Was GT, So I Don't Really See GT Kid Son Goku As Being Stronger Than Cell In His base form. But Then Again, I Guess Anything Is Possible In The Magical World of Dragonball.

Please don't capitalize every word, it makes reading your post a nightmare...

Unless you were screwing around...

[Pain]

Plus Baby enchanced their power by infecting them.

No one can beat Super 17. Only Son Goku can. He beat Cell and Freeza in base form.

I Don't Remember Ever Hearing That Baby Enhanced Anyone's Strength Permanently.

And That Was GT, So I Don't Really See GT Kid Son Goku As Being Stronger Than Cell In His base form. But Then Again, I Guess Anything Is Possible In The Magical World of Dragonball.

Please don't capitalize every word, it makes reading your post a nightmare...

Unless you were screwing around...

I Understand.

But it's a reflex. I'll try to keep track of it, my friend.

[rereboy]

Humans` universe?!



Btw, who was caracoru? A namek?

P.S.: there`s something fishy about tapion`s universe.

P.S.2: Dabra is not dead

[Scarz]

TENSHINHAN! YAMCHA! KURILLIN!

Oh...I think I have something in my eye.