This Doesn't Excuse The Dub, But...

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:32 pm

tvfan721 wrote:It would be great if they hired all new actors. NeptuneKai, I think your being too generous, most of the Funi voice actors are not right for the show at all. I like Chris Sabat's later Vegeta and Future Trunks and that's about it. Maybe, adult Gohan too.

NeptuneKai wrote:The script is what stops me from watching the dub so if they fix that I'd be one happy camper. It would suck that we'd only get a proper dub on a product I don't care for but I'd take it.
That is never going to happen though. If Funimation couldn't be bothered to fix anything on the remastered sets, then they never will.

Neptune is speaking of Dragonball Kai.

NeptuneKai wrote:
rereboy wrote:
tvfan721 wrote:Honestly, the Portuguese Dub had the best Freeza voice, I'm serious. Listen to the voice, the insane Joker style voice fits the character perfectly. I know that dub had tons of problems but I really do think they got Freeza's voice perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFjSMPGKcgE
I agree.
I do not. I'd go as far as to say I'd take Linda Young over that.

That Freeza voice is weird. Sounds like a maniac, but not a sophisticated maniac.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:38 pm

Raki wrote:
tvfan721 wrote:It would be great if they hired all new actors. NeptuneKai, I think your being too generous, most of the Funi voice actors are not right for the show at all. I like Chris Sabat's later Vegeta and Future Trunks and that's about it. Maybe, adult Gohan too.

NeptuneKai wrote:The script is what stops me from watching the dub so if they fix that I'd be one happy camper. It would suck that we'd only get a proper dub on a product I don't care for but I'd take it.
That is never going to happen though. If Funimation couldn't be bothered to fix anything on the remastered sets, then they never will.
Neptune is speaking of Dragonball Kai.

Actually I was speaking of the DBZ script, I think Kai's script is fine I just hate when they cut out canon material because they are pulling a 4kids One Piece and going nuts with the editing software.

Anyway I don't personally think the voices are that awful but that's just me. It's their acting that drives me up the wall so with some proper direction they'd be fine in my book. (Of course there are some voices that are unforgivable like Freeza,16, North Kai and about every background character.)

As for the potential Funi Kai script I suppose you have a point, it would be very Funiesque to just copy and paste their script from the first dub but hopefully they'd make an all new script for the reasons Innagadadavida listed.

B · Post by B » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:11 pm

tvfan721 wrote:It would be great if they hired all new actors. NeptuneKai, I think your being too generous, most of the Funi voice actors are not right for the show at all. I like Chris Sabat's later Vegeta and Future Trunks and that's about it. Maybe, adult Gohan too.

NeptuneKai wrote:The script is what stops me from watching the dub so if they fix that I'd be one happy camper. It would suck that we'd only get a proper dub on a product I don't care for but I'd take it.
That is never going to happen though. If Funimation couldn't be bothered to fix anything on the remastered sets, then they never will.

Future Trunks and Young Adult Gohan are terrible. Gohan admittedly less so.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:20 pm

I'd be genuinely curious about what a fully re-cast Funi dub would sound like.
Honestly, I would love to have a Vegeta who's closer to the the deep non-raspy tone Mr. Horikawa uses for him. I have nothing against the current two Vegeta dub VA's, but I'd like to see something different for a change. A more accurate-sounding voice.

I'd also like to see a closer-to-the-source voice for Freeza if they were to do a complete re-dub. I'm sure with the resources Funi now has at their disposal that they could find someone.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:42 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
DOOODGE wrote:He still comes back to do the videogames because they can be recorded in one or two "cram sessions" for each character. Dubbing the anime itself takes A LOT longer, though, to the point where it wouldn't make any financial sense to fly down to Texas, pay for a hotel room for a few weeks, and then go back.
Which is why I think if FUNimation were to do Kai, they wouldn't have the same VAs. I also think that they would do an accurate translation for the dub. They obviously listen to us and know what we want (Dragonbox, anyone?), so they're plenty aware that we've want a better dub for Z. And with all the praise they received over their One Piece dub, I'd be surprised if they decided to take any liberties at all with Kai.

I would actually prefer to see a new cast. Even though I like the FUNimation version of Z, it would sound a little odd to have them suddenly play accurate portrayals of the characters. Then again that will cause even more confusion and provide another split in the fan base. Not to mention, which cast would do video games and ext.

Please the last thing I want is a new english cast for Dragonball. I think the cast we have is perfect for dragonball. Sure, there were some flaws in the beginging but look at how much they have grown as actors and as a company. A redubbing of the series from these guys is needed!

Personally I'm sick of the DUB bashing. They are a great group of actors and they are very passionate about the series and their work.

Just my two cents...

Post by **VegettoEX** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:49 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:Personally I'm sick of the DUB bashing. They are a great group of actors and they are very passionate about the series and their work.

A discussion about the perceived lack of quality in a production *is not* an attack on an individual's (or a group's) personal character. Do not interpret it as such.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:50 pm

Chuquita wrote:Honestly, I would love to have a Vegeta who's closer to the the deep non-raspy tone Mr. Horikawa uses for him.\

Season Three re-dub Vegeta?

[Edited to remove ignorance...]

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:56 pm

honestly, I think the Dub cast are mostly amazing actors NOW. I think they weren't all too good in the beginning at all.

But Watch One Piece. that Dub is PHENOMENAL!!

It's one of the reasons I hope FUNi gets Kai, because if they do as faithful a Job as they have on One Piece, I'll be VERY happy!!

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:56 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Honestly, I would love to have a Vegeta who's closer to the the deep non-raspy tone Mr. Horikawa uses for him.\
Season Three re-dub Vegeta?

That is nowhere near Horikawa's performance.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:57 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Honestly, I would love to have a Vegeta who's closer to the the deep non-raspy tone Mr. Horikawa uses for him.\
Season Three re-dub Vegeta?
That is nowhere near Horikawa's performance.

I was joking, and I was mostly referring to the deeper, slightly less raspy tone he used for Vegeta.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:00 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:And on the current topic; I am just amazed that people find Schemmel's current voice work to be terrible

Are you reading what's actually written on the pages, or are you making up and responding to what you think people are saying?

Go back and read everything again. I don't see a single person typing out "Schemmel is terrible" in this thread.

This is the dilemma that we've gotten ourselves into. Even when someone like me tosses dub fans a bone and says that parts of Schemmel's acting have not only improved, but live up to what I would expect out of a dubbed version of the character... it's not enough. Apparently it's the same as saying he's "terrible" through and through.

C'mon, people. Read.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:05 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:And on the current topic; I am just amazed that people find Schemmel's current voice work to be terrible
Are you reading what's actually written on the pages, or are you making up and responding to what you think people are saying?

Go back and read everything again. I don't see a single person typing out "Schemmel is terrible" in this thread.

This is the dilemma that we've gotten ourselves into. Even when someone like me tosses dub fans a bone and says that parts of Schemmel's acting have not only improved, but live up to what I would expect out of a dubbed version of the character... it's not enough. Apparently it's the same as saying he's "terrible" through and through.

C'mon, people. Read.

That's what I get for skimming through posts...

I apologize!

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:07 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Honestly, I would love to have a Vegeta who's closer to the the deep non-raspy tone Mr. Horikawa uses for him.\
Season Three re-dub Vegeta?
That is nowhere near Horikawa's performance.

YES!!
Horikawa IS Vegeta!!
The man is a wonderful guy too, He's really nice and the cute thing was, he speaks near-perfect English, but always apologizes for his "poor" English. XD

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:08 pm

DemonRin wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote: Season Three re-dub Vegeta?
That is nowhere near Horikawa's performance.
YES!!
Horikawa IS Vegeta!!
The man is a wonderful guy too, He's really nice and the cute thing was, he speaks near-perfect English, but always apologizes for his "poor" English. XD

But he waants to keeel Kakaraaa!! I wish he was the english actor for Bejiita-sama!

B · Post by B » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:14 pm

Chuquita wrote:Honestly, I would love to have a Vegeta who's closer to the the deep non-raspy tone Mr. Horikawa uses for him. I have nothing against the current two Vegeta dub VA's, but I'd like to see something different for a change. A more accurate-sounding voice.

I have to disagree with this. The goal is to capture the character; not mimic the sound of someone's voice.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:11 pm

B wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Honestly, I would love to have a Vegeta who's closer to the the deep non-raspy tone Mr. Horikawa uses for him. I have nothing against the current two Vegeta dub VA's, but I'd like to see something different for a change. A more accurate-sounding voice.
I have to disagree with this. The goal is to capture the character; not mimic the sound of someone's voice.

Yes but when you capture the character as expertly as Horikawa you'd naturally want someone to try and do a take on that type of voice. I'm not saying they should sound EXACTLY like Horikawa but they shouldn't sound like a chain smoking immature moron either.

Metalwario64 wrote: But he waants to keeel Kakaraaa!! I wish he was the english actor for Bejiita-sama!

HOW DARE YOU NOT LIKE CHRIS SABAT WITH EXCELLENT PERFORMANCES SUCH AS "YAAAAAAAUUUUUGHHHYAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH CLOOOOOWN!!!"

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:19 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:And on the current topic; I am just amazed that people find Schemmel's current voice work to be terrible
Are you reading what's actually written on the pages, or are you making up and responding to what you think people are saying?

Go back and read everything again. I don't see a single person typing out "Schemmel is terrible" in this thread.

This is the dilemma that we've gotten ourselves into. Even when someone like me tosses dub fans a bone and says that parts of Schemmel's acting have not only improved, but live up to what I would expect out of a dubbed version of the character... it's not enough. Apparently it's the same as saying he's "terrible" through and through.

C'mon, people. Read.

The bone throwing is much appreciated on my end, as a guy from my background.

Even though I've already made up my mind it's impossible for anyone to surpass the Nozawa.

Kirbopher · Post by **Kirbopher** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:23 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Saiyavenger2941 wrote:I just don't see how, out of all of Funi's talents, they thought she would be the best Freeza.
They didn't. They (mostly Barry Watson) thought Pauline Newstone was their perfect Freeza, and season three was just a failed attempt to re-capture and mimic all of those voices.

I'm curious, actually, since you remember a lotta the stuff like this that came up back then. Was there ever some sort of possibility that they were going to make Freeza INTO a female character for the dub and hence why they went in that direction? I like Young's version just a little more than Newstone; obviously they're both along the same lines anyway. But since Barry was kinda the guy at the top of everything and apparantly spoke a lot about these things back in the day, was there anything like that hinted?

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:45 pm

Personally, I'd take Chris Sabat's Season 3 redub and Seasons 1 & 2 Vegeta (and Seasons 1 & 2 Piccolo while you're at it) voice over just about any other Vegeta voice out there.

obiwan23s · Post by **obiwan23s** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:47 pm

I think Kai is FUNimation's chance to redeem themselves with the dub. I think any serious scene in the dub was destroyed by the script, with maybe Vegeta's monologue about Kakarrot becoming better than him while he was fighting the final form of Boo. On the other hand, I think that same scene in the manga/original Japanese dub would've been exponentially more powerful if Toriyama had Vegeta refer to Kakarrot as "Son Goku" for the first and only time in the story at the end of that monologue.

On the topic of the video games, yes, I think they have been taking a more serious approach to those in the story mode parts of the games. Last fall, my roommate and I bought Budokai Tenkaichi 3 and instantly I switched it over to the Japanese voices and noticed that the "dubtitles" for the story mode didn't stray too far from the Japanese dialogue. Of course there were some that didn't match, but I'd say it was 95% correct which is an improvement over the TV series dub which I'd generously say is 65% correct.