What is your canon policy? Do you have one?

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Post by Bussani » Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:50 am

Kendamu wrote:Despite seeing it from the writer's point-of-view, we all still have our own outlook on what the real story is despite whatever the writer thinks. An example would be the famous driving episode filler. While it's filler, it doesn't get in the way of anything and a lot of people like it. So, maybe they'll take that in as their own personal canon.
Well, this is the sort of thing I meant. It doesn't not fit in with the manga (well, except Goku acts like filler/GT Goku rather than manga Goku at that pont), so someone can consider it personal canon if they want, but...is there any point? If it's just for yourself, then it doesn't really matter if it's 'canon' or not, you know? It might as well be either.

Moreover, something being canon or not shouldn't affect whether you like it or not.

So yeah, I have nothing against 'personal canon', I just don't see any practical use for it.

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Post by Kendamu » Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:18 am

Bussani wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Despite seeing it from the writer's point-of-view, we all still have our own outlook on what the real story is despite whatever the writer thinks. An example would be the famous driving episode filler. While it's filler, it doesn't get in the way of anything and a lot of people like it. So, maybe they'll take that in as their own personal canon.
Well, this is the sort of thing I meant. It doesn't not fit in with the manga (well, except Goku acts like filler/GT Goku rather than manga Goku at that pont), so someone can consider it personal canon if they want, but...is there any point? If it's just for yourself, then it doesn't really matter if it's 'canon' or not, you know? It might as well be either.

Moreover, something being canon or not shouldn't affect whether you like it or not.

So yeah, I have nothing against 'personal canon', I just don't see any practical use for it.
Personal canon matters to a person... personally. Most people know not to get their own personal idea of canon mixed up with what's technically canon. So, when issues involving technical canon come up, we talk technical canon. However, in our own personal reading and viewing experiences we can believe whatever we want. It isn't practical. It's just fun.

Also, plenty of us like things that aren't canon. Whether we take them into our personal canon usually depends on how much we like whatever it is that isn't canon.

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Post by FistOfTheSun » Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:35 am

Manga and Daizenshuu

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Post by temujin » Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:22 am

DemonRin wrote:Manga + Toriyama-endorsed Databooks = Undisputed Canon

Anime filler that does NOT contradict the Manga = Fair to be considered canon

Everything else, including all of GT = Not Canon in the slightest.
That's what I consider canon.

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Post by Teclo » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:08 am

I don't really look at it that strictly. I see the manga as the source of it all and the anime of a generally pretty faithful adaptation. The movies I see as fun little side stories that don't really fit in. However dodgy GT often seems, it did get Toriyama's approval. Since it's all fiction, I can't really say "Well this DID happen, but this SO didn't!" It's like, in the LotR movies they removed Tom Bombadil - now that didn't make me think "Oh no, Tom doesn't exist!" but nor did it make me lose interest in the movie, thinking that the movie is "fake" - they're both real to me, insofar as fiction can be real.

Compare the original Romeo & Juliet to Baz Luhrmann's version, or the original King Lear to Akira Kurosawa's Ran. In each case, the Shakespeare plays are "canon" whereas the Luhrmann and Kurosawa films are "non-canon", but no one would see it that way. Since the characters and events aren't real, and are instead concepts and ideas, the different mediums are just different studies of the same concepts. The Vegeta in the movies is Vegeta, as is the Vegeta of the anime and the Vegeta of the manga. It's not like there's a real Vegeta out there, shaking his fist in anger at his portrayal in the Namek arc or something. As long as it's coherent, that is. It's more an instinctive thing than coldly logical one; it's pretty obvious that the Goku throughout all the Japanese DB stuff is the same character, but the Goku of DBE is not.

Of course, you also have the fact that the offshoots of the manga were all made with Toriyama's approval and within his lifetime - more than can be said for, say, the countless Shakespeare adaptations or the LotR trilogy.

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Post by Bussani » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:21 am

Teclo wrote:I don't really look at it that strictly. I see the manga as the source of it all and the anime of a generally pretty faithful adaptation. The movies I see as fun little side stories that don't really fit in. However dodgy GT often seems, it did get Toriyama's approval. Since it's all fiction, I can't really say "Well this DID happen, but this SO didn't!" It's like, in the LotR movies they removed Tom Bombadil - now that didn't make me think "Oh no, Tom doesn't exist!" but nor did it make me lose interest in the movie, thinking that the movie is "fake" - they're both real to me, insofar as fiction can be real.
Well, something being canon or not canon to something else doesn't exactly make it 'fake'. It's just a way of saying that they have no bearing on each other. For instance, you could say that the LotR books are canon to each other, and the LotR movies are canon to each other. But something that happens in the movie and only the movie doesn't have any bearing on the plot of the books.

Like you said, it's silly to say "this happened, but this didn't" when talking about fiction -- but only because there's no context in that statement. If instead you were to say, "this happened in the series, but didn't happen in the comics," then that's different, you know?

The way I see it is it only becomes important when trying to look at things in this way. It's mostly important to the writers themselves; to avoid causing plot holes or inconsistencies, you have to know in your head what happened within within the fiction and what didn't happen. And this kind of thing often comes up in our fan discussions too, when trying to figure out character motives from the author's point of view or something (so we wouldn't take into account something that wasn't written by the author, for instance).

Of course, there's nothing wrong with liking the whole franchise as a hole. There are plenty of Star Trek novels I've liked, even though I know that the events on them have no bearing on the TV series' or movies.

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Post by Travis Touchdown » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:09 am

I go with the manga mainly (that includes Dr. Slump), along with the Bardock, Trunks, & Jump specials.

I also can squeeze in most of the movies; 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13.

Also GT up until the end of the Bebi saga. Then the Goku Jr. special, then the latter half of episode 64 concerning Goku Jr. & Vegeta Jr.

And finally, Dragon Ball Online, assuming it EVER gets released.
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