Better Sound Quality on Original Run of DBZ in Japan

mattymoron · Post by **mattymoron** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:30 pm

kei17 wrote: I am saying they were drawn and filmed for being showed also in 4:3 ratio.

The movies were drawn with the intention of being cropped into 16:9...

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:31 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Perhaps it's because this audience has a larger vested-interest in doing educated comparisons and analysis that there hasn't yet been enough time to do a full-scale comparison and discussion?

Mix that with a little bit of "wait, 20 year old VHS recordings in EP mode are being used as 'irrefutable evidence'?" and you're 100% on track ;p

I'm doing my homework now with plans to post something today or tomorrow. My cat's just sick at the moment (trying to find out what it is) and I had company over last night and didn't go to sleep until 8am this morning. Busy with real life = this sort of thing takes a back seat, which I think everyone can understand.

I hope ;p

-Corey

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:32 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Mix that with a little bit of "wait, 20 year old VHS recordings in EP mode are being used as 'irrefutable evidence'?" and you're 100% on track ;p

So you say, on VHS, the dynamic range can expand and the sounds get clearer through aging, huh? Or you say the master tape got worse? Anyway, you can controvert an opinion, but not a fact. Just listen. The original run sounds better. It is a fact.
I have more evidence. there is another Japanese DB fan who says that the sound quality on DBOXes is clearly worse.

JOHN LENNON of Shonan Those were the days
http://qunny1130.exblog.jp/2756362/

不思議というか疑問がある。発売されているDVDはデジタルマスタリングされたり、補正されたりしているということなのだが、映像はともかくとして、音質に関してはテレビ放送初回時の音質の方が全然良いのだ。先のZのボックスもそうだし、これはいったいどういうことなのだろうか・・・？誰かこのブログを読んだ方でご存知ならご教授いただきたいと思う。

Translation:
There is some doubt. I heard that the available DVD releases had been digitally remastered and corrected, however, putting the footage aside, the audio sounded much better on the original run. It is the same with the DBZ box. How do you figure? If there is anyone who knows about this issue, please tell me about it.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:45 pm

If Toei does have better audio availible, it should be used on the Blu-Ray release of the series.

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:49 pm

kei17 wrote:I also noticed that the audio is out of synchronization on the episode 142 on DBOX.

Original Run
http://www.4shared.com/file/125580665/91836940/VHS.html

Japanese Single Release
http://www.4shared.com/file/125580357/5 ... /DBOX.html

The VHS clip of Piccolo vs Cell is corrupt. It plays 17 seconds then it freaks out and stops.

ChibiGoku · Post by **ChibiGoku** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:56 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:
kei17 wrote:I also noticed that the audio is out of synchronization on the episode 142 on DBOX.

Original Run
http://www.4shared.com/file/125580665/91836940/VHS.html

Japanese Single Release
http://www.4shared.com/file/125580357/5 ... /DBOX.html
The VHS clip of Piccolo vs Cell is corrupt. It plays 17 seconds then it freaks out and stops.

Works fine for me.

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:03 pm

Hmm... Well, I downloaded it twice and it still won't work.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:14 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:Hmm... Well, I downloaded it twice and it still won't work.

Yeah, same here on my end...

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:47 pm

It worked for me o.O

biohazard · Post by **biohazard** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:11 pm

This is the Japanese audio of DBGT episode 13 ripped from the recent Spanish DVD release:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XSBEQC7Y

As you can hear, it's in much better quality than the Dragon Box GT audio. Unfortunatelly this only happens on vol. 2 (episodes 9-16), the other 7 volumes have the same audio quality than the Dragon Box GT.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:00 pm

Smooth Criminal wrote:I love how the majority of in-house DBOX enthusiasts are basically avoiding this thread like the plague.

Damn, I'm away for a day and I'm being persecuted. Give some time for a response and a comparison. I think it sounds like the VHS is just pumped up on volume. Hell, its analogue, so in its recording its going to be subject to the recording settings vs ripping the AC3 stream directly.

If you want to actually compare, then you have to let the "evidence" be subject to scrutiny. VHS is better than DVD? The movies should be 4:3 (where there are more scenes than just the one already shown missing portions of the frame). I feel like I left and came back to the Twilight Zone.

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:56 pm

I know Kei hates the DBoxes... and there WAS a clear difference in the clips he posted... but I and I'm sure all of us know by now this series is 20 years old by now, expecting it to be nice neat and entirely crisp is asking a bit too much...
The DBoxes are the best quality you can get besides having good VHS Rips from back in the day... And even Kei said whoever he's getting them from doesn't have the WHOLE series...

I mean, it's really neat, but I still wants me some Dragon Box XD

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:44 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
linkdude20002001 wrote:Hmm... Well, I downloaded it twice and it still won't work.
Yeah, same here on my end...

What are you trying to play them with? They play fine with PowerDVD, but the best thing to do would be to re-author them with VirtualDub (best acquired through AutoGK).

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:21 pm

kei17 wrote:I also noticed that the audio is out of synchronization on the episode 142 on DBOX.

Original Run
http://www.4shared.com/file/125580665/91836940/VHS.html

Japanese Single Release
http://www.4shared.com/file/125580357/5 ... /DBOX.html

There is something off in the VOB files. Did you re-compress them or something?

Your DBox rip has an audio stream of 1+1ch 160Kbps. That's not right, it should be a full 2_0ch 448Kbps. Any chance you can fix that so a few of us can play with it?

(the VHS VOB has 2_0ch 256Kbps, a 60% increase in the bitrate compared to the DBox you posted)

Edit: Also, why is the right channel so much louder? Was this recorded/digitized properly? DBZ is in mono, so the two channels really shouldn't be vastly different, correct?

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CashmanX · Post by **CashmanX** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:03 am

SSj_Rambo wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:
linkdude20002001 wrote:Hmm... Well, I downloaded it twice and it still won't work.
Yeah, same here on my end...
What are you trying to play them with? They play fine with PowerDVD, but the best thing to do would be to re-author them with VirtualDub (best acquired through AutoGK).

I think it has something to do with VLC player....

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:18 am

CashmanX wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote: Yeah, same here on my end...
What are you trying to play them with? They play fine with PowerDVD, but the best thing to do would be to re-author them with VirtualDub (best acquired through AutoGK).
I think it has something to do with VLC player....

Hmm, they play with VLC for me... I'll use VirtualDub to encode them as .avi's.

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:43 am

biohazard wrote:This is the Japanese audio of DBGT episode 13 ripped from the recent Spanish DVD release:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XSBEQC7Y

As you can hear, it's in much better quality than the Dragon Box GT audio. Unfortunatelly this only happens on vol. 2 (episodes 9-16), the other 7 volumes have the same audio quality than the Dragon Box GT.

Thank you so much. It is not in stereo but certainly sounds better than DBOX. I wonder how they got the audio tapes that Toei couldn't.

ect5150 wrote:Damn, I'm away for a day and I'm being persecuted. Give some time for a response and a comparison. I think it sounds like the VHS is just pumped up on volume. Hell, its analogue, so in its recording its going to be subject to the recording settings vs ripping the AC3 stream directly.

Then you turn up the volume of DBOX audio. It will not sound good like the clip from the VHS. Because the very difference is not volume but dynamic range.

ect5150 wrote:There is something off in the VOB files. Did you re-compress them or something?
Your DBox rip has an audio stream of 1+1ch 160Kbps. That's not right, it should be a full 2_0ch 448Kbps. Any chance you can fix that so a few of us can play with it?
(the VHS VOB has 2_0ch 256Kbps, a 60% increase in the bitrate compared to the DBox you posted)

Sorry, it's my mistake or something is wrong with the tool. But I did not upload it for the sake of comparison of sound quality but synchronization of the audio. You can still know that with it. Or you say I did some kind of impression management by that?

Edit*

????

ect5150 wrote:Edit: Also, why is the right channel so much louder? Was this recorded/digitized properly? DBZ is in mono, so the two channels really shouldn't be vastly different, correct?

I don't know why. I think it is because of some failure of the VCR that my cousin taped off these episodes.

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:18 am

I found more clips from the original run. They have good sounds as well.

DBZ Next Episode Preview + Movie Tickets Giveaway Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WXFWn5mCHU&fmt=18

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:04 am

kei17 wrote:I found more clips from the original run. They have good sounds as well.

DBZ Next Episode Preview + Movie Tickets Giveaway Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WXFWn5mCHU&fmt=18

I think those are from the Dragon Boxes.

Anyway, thanks for all of these great comparisons!

CashmanX · Post by **CashmanX** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:13 am

SSj_Rambo wrote:
kei17 wrote:I found more clips from the original run. They have good sounds as well.

DBZ Next Episode Preview + Movie Tickets Giveaway Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WXFWn5mCHU&fmt=18
I think those are from the Dragon Boxes.

Anyway, thanks for all of these great comparisons!

And from Gokuden no less!