What would've made GT a better show?

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:20 pm

Recently, we've had a thread explaining the problems with GT, and it got me thinking (as I've been rewatching it lately) that this could be a fun little topic!
Simply put, list what you really think would've grabbed you about GT.
If you already like GT, that's absolutley fine, but this thread is for those dissapointed by GT.
I'll start us off:
I think a really big problem for GT was the characters. Nono, not that certain ones were "under-used", or that a certain famous shonen hero stole all the spotlight. I think the characters that were picked for the "Grand Tour" were poor chosen. You have Goku (obviously), Pan, and Trunks. For me, Pan is a downright annoying character, she's bratty, disrespectful, and not to mention quick tempered. She's just a waste of a character, and what's worse is that she's one of those "Schitzo-girl" characters,s who'll completely flip her attitude at any time. Trunks, though a good character, was poorly represented in GT. He was the wrong damn Trunks. 'Nuff said. Really, I don't think the chemestry with these characters mixed very well, they didn't have much of a bond, and I never really got entertainment from watching them (unlike I do with the other characters from the show). It usually boiled down to: Pan whines, annoys other characters (mainly Trunks), and Goku doesn't interact with either of them in an interesting fashion.

On episode 2, we see Goten and Trunks being chosen to go on the tour, along with Gohan. Now this would've been interesting. As Goten and Trunks are best friends, it would've been much more entertaining to watch these two bounce banter back and forth throughout the journey, with Gohan breaking up the odd fight that may occur, and Goku.. well, being Goku.

mattymoron · Post by **mattymoron** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:29 pm

If it had been longer!

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:47 pm

If Pilaf's first wish was for the death of Goku.

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:47 pm

I think the following three should've gone to space;

- Goku: 'Nuff said.
- Vegeta: Has knowledge of outer space and has the best moments with Goku.
- Bra: Fanservice! No but seriously though, she could kind of become the new Bulma. Smart like her mom so she can fix things when they get broken, and would no doubt be used for comic relieve in the same way Bulma was. Let's see how Vegeta would react to such situations. XD

Also, Goku should've become an adult again, and the trip shouldn't last more than 5-10 episodes. Afterwards back to Earth and involve the rest of the cast.

They also should've left #17 alone.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:48 pm

*Goten and Trunks fusing.
*Goku and Vegeta not fighting at all.
*Pan being a background character.
*No fighting done on Earth.

Or to be very extreme, GT not existing at all.

Booney · Post by **Booney** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:58 pm

Goku doesn't turn into a kid.

I would have liked to see Vegeta as the leader of the gang during the search of the Dragonballs.
Seeing as how he spent most of his life conquering planets for Freeza.
Who knows he might see some familiar faces on planets he once visited.
It could also give a nice side/backstory about Vegeta's life before we knew him.

Back on Earth we could then have some interesting fights that brings back the humans.
Bebi wasn't that strong at first.
So the human crew with Piccolo could have had some nice fights when Vegeta and the half Saiyans were in space.
Have all humans be on par with Bebi at first and then be infected and fight the next strongest up to Goku.
With in the end an epic battle between Goku and Uub.

Which brings me to the fights, they should be more spectacular.
I don't know, even watching it as a kid they bored me, the fast punching with some flashing ki didn't keep me interested during GT.
They seemed so generic.

Let's see what else.
Well I never had big problems with GT then again it has been little under 10 years since I watched it.
I guess looking back all GT needed was more time and a second look from it's creators to correct and adjust the little things.

But these are some things that popped in my head just now.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:03 pm

Teenage Gotenks.

Longer Freeza/Cell fight.(I stand by my belief that it should not have been that easy to defeat them.)

Redesign Goten.

Less Goku.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:19 pm

1. Killing or never using GT Pan as main character, TOEI made her terrble and annoying.
2. Goku returns to normal after catch all those dragon balls, turning back to adult and some quick explnation that they collected that drgon balls again and earth won't explode
3. Going to space with team made from Goku, Trunks and Goten or Bra, Uub and Goten
4. Better use of chracters, centered Goku really annoyed me in GT.
5. Longer series about 100 episodes and Super 17 saga never used in story.
6. Trunks and Goten's fusion, and battle machine SSJ4 Gogeta, not that kind of idiot we used to see.
7. Technically better fights, more martial arts, longer Shadow Dragon Saga with more fights and better done Dragon characters + some new saga with type of villain we never seen before in Dragon Ball universe.
8. It'll be fun to include Ozotto as some henchman of this villain, he can be disguised as everybody due to his methamorphosis.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:55 pm

MCDaveG wrote:1. Killing or never using GT Pan as main character, TOEI made her terrble and annoying.

Or just make her... not GT pan.

It could have worked, if she had been more in line with what Z had... kinda established as her character.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:34 am

Funny, I never had a problem with Goku becoming a kid again. I'm not sure I see the problem with it. Did people just get attached to him as an adult?

I have more of a problem with the way he acts. It isn't quite like he's acting as a kid again, it's more like he's acting the way he does in filler. Which makes sense, since filler and GT were made by Toei.

In short, my opinion is pretty simple. GT had some good ideas, they just needed better execution. More consistent portrayal of powers, characters, not making the show revolve entirely around Goku. I mean, I know, he's the main character. But they really do take it too far, and I can say this since I've just this minute been watching it.

Goten: "We can fuse into Gotenks!"
Goku: "No, that wouldn't do any good. Just give me your ki and I'll do it myself."

Vegeta: *Gets beaten around by Super 17 even as a Super Saiyan.*
Goku: *Comes along, as a Super Saiyan, and hits Super 17 literally across the planet with one punch.*

No more of that would be nice. Just fill in the plot holes and all that, polish up the writing and everything, that'd probably be enough.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:59 am

If I had to make a list... (and please keep in mind I haven't watched GT in its entirety in years. ^^; )

-NO child Goku. How about we let Pilaf make the wish he wanted to; give him the world; that'd be more of an eminent threat I think. Ruled by Pilaf.
-I would redesign 98% of the heroes wardrobe/hairstyles. Goten is not supposed to look like Larry Butz from Ace Attorney. TT_TT I mean, yeah, in GT Goten's constantly on the phone with his girlfriend and fawning over Parisu but...well geez he is Larry in GT, isn't he? >_O
-The crew that should be on the spaceship in the first arc: Goku, VEGETA, Trunks, Goten, and Gohan. (Why Gohan? Because you need someone to mediate the madness.)
-NO "moostache". Yes, it is funny in retrospect, but I find it terribly awful.
-Adult Gotenks. Please make it happen.
-SSJ Bura and SSJ Pan? Also please.
-I'd like for Bura to have a bigger part; I mean, she's Vegeta's daughter; I don't believe for a second that he would not have been teaching her martial arts. Also, I think there's humor to mine there.
-I also prefer end-of-Z Pan to GT Pan. I'd keep her personality more in line with how she was in Z.
-Uub needs to do something. He was built up at the end of Z for a reason; give us the reason.
-Make the evil dragons at the end of GT WAY more threatening and dangerous than most of them were portrayed. It's the final threat; it's gotta be HUGE.
-Shenlong does NOT get to eat Goku. Let the man go have dinner with his family instead of being dinner for the magical dragon, alright? >_O
-In all irony, couldn't Dende and Mr. Popo just destroy the Shenlong statue and easily put a stop to the evil dragons that way? I guess it'd destroy the plot though, wouldn't it?

It's like they tried to build Shenlong up as this mysterious creature again, but we already know that he's a statue that Dende has power over, so....?
-Super 17 makes such small amounts of sense to me. I'd retool the whole arc, though I'm not sure how.
-Oh! And no Piccolo-stays-in-hell. I want Gohan to talk to Enma about Piccolo's true motives and get Piccolo out of there.

I probably have other points too, but I can't think of them at the moment. ^^;

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:58 pm

Chuquita wrote:-In all irony, couldn't Dende and Mr. Popo just destroy the Shenlong statue and easily put a stop to the evil dragons that way? I guess it'd destroy the plot though, wouldn't it? It's like they tried to build Shenlong up as this mysterious creature again, but we already know that he's a statue that Dende has power over, so....?

Or Dende could just commit suicide.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:05 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Chuquita wrote:-In all irony, couldn't Dende and Mr. Popo just destroy the Shenlong statue and easily put a stop to the evil dragons that way? I guess it'd destroy the plot though, wouldn't it? It's like they tried to build Shenlong up as this mysterious creature again, but we already know that he's a statue that Dende has power over, so....?
Or Dende could just commit suicide.

"Gods can't commit suicide"
Remember? :p

nwoo_2002 · Post by **nwoo_2002** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:50 pm

You could have had Goku becoming possessed instead of Vegeta possibly; or even have Goku lost in the universe being chased by similar teams described. Assuming Toei wanted to keep Goku as the strongest character, why not have Goku captured by some enemy (perhaps turned to stone) and have Gohan lead a group to get him back.

I would also have preferred they kept the 'Z' style animation, similar to the Final Bout opening.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:53 pm

nwoo_2002 wrote:and have Gohan lead a group to get him back.

Gohan is not Goku, therefore he can't be allowed to do anything.

I mean, Gogeta is half-Goku and they didn't even let him do anything.

nwoo_2002 · Post by **nwoo_2002** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:06 pm

Rocketman wrote:
nwoo_2002 wrote:and have Gohan lead a group to get him back.
Gohan is not Goku, therefore he can't be allowed to do anything.

I mean, Gogeta is half-Goku and they didn't even let him do anything.

Without doubt; I’m making the assumption that Toei would be more faithful to Toriyama i.e. Gohan is still on level strength ability to Goku and Vegeta. Again though, ignoring the fact that Toei wanted Goku as the primary focus, the only avenue they haven't really pursued is a Goku incapable of being returned without force.

Teclo · Post by **Teclo** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:42 pm

I hope this doesn't sound like some blasé response, but I think that GT was pretty much doomed from the get-go. GT was far from perfect, but I honestly don't think it could have won anyway. All the ground had been trodden, trodden again, stomped on and then trodden once more for good measure. I can enjoy GT for what it is, but I can also see that DB had really run its course by that point - the Buu saga was already recycling shit left right and centre anyway.

Remix · Post by **Remix** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:12 pm

What would've made GT a better show?

Akira Toriyama.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:19 pm

Remix wrote:Akira Toriyama.

'Nuff said. Provided of course, his memory served him well enough.

Anyway, if I listed everything that I thought would make GT a better show, it'd just end up as one big GTR spoiler-fest. So some of the basics:

- Less focus on Goku!
- Give the Black Star Dragon Balls a better history and reason for existing.
- Goku being turned into a kid was a nice, fun twist, but it shouldn't be permanent.
- Make the power-scaling more sensible.
- Keep Super Saiyan 4 something special.
- Ditch Super 17 altogether. To make it make any modicum of sense would be to change and twist it up to the point where it'd be unrecognizable.
- De-lame or replace the Shadow Dragons that weren't Yi, San, or Si Xing Long.
- Make the ending (i.e. Goku's departure with Shenlong) less vague and inconclusive.

sumpter360 · Post by **sumpter360** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:59 pm

The biggest problem I personally have with GT is the inconsistency between art styles. Some episodes look fantastic while others look like complete trash, as if that particular artist was simply rushing to get it done, not caring about the end product. And Pan's constant whining certainly didn't help GT at all. Trunks should've turned around the moment they noticed Pan was on the ship.

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