Was Freeza all that bad a Ruler?

FistOfTheSun · Post by **FistOfTheSun** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:50 pm

Do you think Freeza was all that bad a ruler? Obviously his military tactics are somewhat excessive; perhaps even cruel. However, the same can be said (of) the United States, can it not? Yet this doesn't reflect at all on how the country itself is run.
So, despite his personal vendettas and military methods, do you think the citizens of all his planets were really having that hard a time? And do you think perhaps Son Goku defeating him had done more harm than good?

A-dono · Post by **A-dono** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:13 am

Freeza was a ruthless, mass-murdering psychopath whose followers committed genocide and xenocide purely motivated by greed. Maybe those that purchased the planets from Freeza lived well, but they lived well at the expense of the races that were brutally exterminated to make room for them. If those that lived in Freeza's empire prospered it was from the blood of the countless innocents that were slaughtered to fund the economy.

I don't see how you could possibly compare the US to that.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:36 am

A-dono wrote:I don't see how you could possibly compare the US to that.

Because it's the cool thing to do.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:57 am

I don't think Freeza was really a ruler anyway. The way he's talked about by Toriyama is just as a salesman basically, albeit an evil one. An independent contractor on a massive scale. Obviously he has a bunch of planets that he owns for his private army and such, but it never seemed implied that he went around taking over and ruling every planet he came across like some kind of space king.

FistOfTheSun · Post by **FistOfTheSun** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:25 am

A-dono wrote:Freeza was a ruthless, mass-murdering psychopath whose followers committed genocide and xenocide purely motivated by greed. Maybe those that purchased the planets from Freeza lived well, but they lived well at the expense of the races that were brutally exterminated to make room for them. If those that lived in Freeza's empire prospered it was from the blood of the countless innocents that were slaughtered to fund the economy.

I don't see how you could possibly compare the US to that.

Oh don't get like that. I was only reffering to the US because it's the dominant "Empire" of today. Obviously the US military doesn't go destroying and pillaging planets etc, but comparitively cruel and injustice acts a commited on a singular planetary scale are commited eveyday.

Just like the English and the Spanish back in the day...
Which was just like the Christians back in the day, back in the day...
Which was just like the Roman Empire back in the day, back in the day, back in the day...

Seriously, if you take offense to my comparison of the US, then just replace that with anything above.

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:27 am

He's a tyrant. Not just any tyrant, he is The Galactic Tyrant to be exact.

He rules over everyone using force and doesn't bothor to do his own dirty works on his own unless he's really short on people, or if he takes something as a personal matter.

A-dono · Post by **A-dono** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:18 am

FistOfTheSun wrote:Oh don't get like that. I was only reffering to the US because it's the dominant "Empire" of today. Obviously the US military doesn't go destroying and pillaging planets etc, but comparitively cruel and injustice acts a commited on a singular planetary scale are commited eveyday.

Just like the English and the Spanish back in the day...
Which was just like the Christians back in the day, back in the day...
Which was just like the Roman Empire back in the day, back in the day, back in the day...

Seriously, if you take offense to my comparison of the US, then just replace that with anything above.

I wasn't taking offense to anything, sorry if it came off like that. I just didn't understand the comparison between the US of today and Freeza's cabal. I agree, though, that you could make analogies with the ancient Romans, or maybe the Mongols.

I suppose 'empire' isn't entirely accurate when describing Freeza's organization. However, I believe he does conquer and rule certain planets for himself, and if the way he treats his underlings is any indication, I sincerely doubt the people that live on those planets are dancing in the streets and celebrating the good life.

coola · Post by **coola** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:39 am

The only nation and person I would compare to Freeza is the USSR and Stalin.

russ869 · Post by **russ869** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:30 pm

Does this mean we're now going to replace the "comparison to Hitler" arguement," or Godwin's Law with the "comparison to Freeza argument," which I will hereafter refer to as Russ's Law?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:58 pm

A-dono wrote:I agree, though, that you could make analogies with the ancient Romans, or maybe the Mongols.

The Mongol empire was a meritocracy, with a great amount of religious tolerance.

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:03 pm

The topic for this post made me laugh.

Well, ya know..Frieza's not so bad once you get to know him. Everyone blows that little mishap on Namek way out of proportion.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:02 pm

Freeza wasn't bad ruler, he ruled, till the day when the lightness in dark came on Namek

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:04 pm

I actually think Freeza was a great land-owner. He treated everyone (Called them Mr) in his circle with respect. He also kept the planets he ruled numbered, and seemed to have a cool little thing going on.

Freeza was an awesome ruler of his planets. I wonder who took them all over after they ran into Trunks on earth? All of those planets didn't just stop being active once he got vaporized with Cold. Perhaps one of those low-tier henchmen with a Battle Power of at least 20,000 or so was strong enough to take over the business once Freeza was history. Makes you wonder.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:20 pm

Yes, Freeza is a great ruler. Because great rulers commit genocide on a daily basis to sell land to others to make a profit. Such a wonderful person.

And so American too, man I remember the profits from when the USA wiped out Germany. Damn the USA made so much money from fighting them, and didn't at all give money up to help rebuild post war. The USA also didn't forgive war debts, no we just wiped it out and sold it for profit. That why we are so not in debt... and if you can't tell... I'm being sarcastic.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:26 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:I actually think Freeza was a great land-owner. He treated everyone (Called them Mr) in his circle with respect. He also kept the planets he ruled numbered, and seemed to have a cool little thing going on.

Freeza was an awesome ruler of his planets. I wonder who took them all over after they ran into Trunks on earth? All of those planets didn't just stop being active once he got vaporized with Cold. Perhaps one of those low-tier henchmen with a Battle Power of at least 20,000 or so was strong enough to take over the business once Freeza was history. Makes you wonder.

Yeah, there was probably an internal power struggle and the strongest came on top.

That being said Goku and Trunks probably didn`t save anyone else besides the Earthlings and the Namekians.

I think Frieza probably wasn`t bad to those who did his biding and followed all his rules.
So as long as you obeyed blindly you probably would be safe. Probably being the key word because he killed the sayans even though they obeyed him.
He did pretty much what he wanted so, even though he might not be openly and always bad and nasty to those around him, he could at any moment kill anyone he wanted for any reason he deemed justified.
So I guess being around him or under his rule would be something like being constantly afraid.

Aikachi · Post by **Aikachi** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:57 pm

Freeza was the real estate agent from hell.

Hmmm... a lot of his interplanetary relations weren't really shown beyond Vegeta, Namek, and Earth (and of course the few that were occupied during the Bardock special), we can't really say how well Freeza treated planets that were sufficiently useful and subservient. There may have been whole galaxies full of people who actually enjoyed being under his rule. However, it is well established that he is a raging sociopath and regardless of whether this manifested itself in genocide and shiny fireworks every time, it would definitely tarnish his good name and reputation and eventually it'd come back and bite him in the arse.

I don't think Freeza had the attention span necessary to go through the tedium of personally overseeing the affairs on all of the planets he controlled, so the effectiveness of his rule would depend largely upon the performance of his various emissaries. For all we know the GDP of the planets under his control could have skyrocketed, making everyone living there prosperous and wealthy... or it could have been taxed and tithed to death leaving everyone in poverty. Who knows?

Several planets may have even been grateful to Freeza, having provided them with a fresh planet to live on. As terrible as it is, it may have seemed a necessary service to some.

Sooooo.... short answer: Maybe he was a bad ruler, maybe not, but he was definitely a terrible person.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:10 pm

Having some class and not (often) murdering the people who worked for him does not make Freeza any less of a diabolical, ruthless, soulless, genocidal, and all-around evil being.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:53 pm

Evil is a point of view

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:34 am

Onikage725 wrote:Evil is a point of view

I'm sure the innocent billions of Freeza's genocide victims might beg to differ.

johnboy1 · Post by **johnboy1** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:46 am

Onikage725 wrote:Evil is a point of view

From your point of view, of course.

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Was Freeza all that bad a Ruler?

Was Freeza all that bad a Ruler?

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