DBZ just isn't the same...

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Post by jjgp1112 » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:13 pm

B wrote:If I may add something to Rory's remark, this appreciation for Faulconer's tracks stems less from FUNimation fanboyism(FUNimation is Jesus to the One Piece fanbase[Oda is their God]) and more from it being in English.

You'll be hard pressed to find someone who hates FUNimation's dub acting/writing, but loves their music, or vice versa. The two go hand in hand.
I don't like some of their script changes, does that count?

I don't fucking see how hard it is to grasp the concept that some people actually fucking like it.

I think it might be best for me to stay away from any thread that devolves into your typical dub vs. sub debate. It's not good for me.
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Post by Amigo Ten » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:15 pm

B wrote:(FUNimation is Jesus to the One Piece fanbase
I think for the majority of One Piece fanbase the various scanlators/fansubbers are Jesus, since they leave in all the unnecessary Japanese stuff that Funi is slowly being forced to adopt.

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Post by Raki » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:15 pm

I don't see why the rewrites were brung up at all. This is a thread about the music.
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Post by hui43210 » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:15 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:I am not saying there's anything wrong with the original Japanese music, but I can't listen to it. It just makes the show seem more 'whimpy' with chimes and flumes and all that going off during a battle. We need some BAMF music for stuff like that and Faulconer delivered.
I have to agree here. Now I prepare myself for the wrath I'm sure to incur for my preferences.

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Post by The Time Traveller » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:22 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:I am not saying there's anything wrong with the original Japanese music, but I can't listen to it. It just makes the show seem more 'whimpy' with chimes and flumes and all that going off during a battle. We need some BAMF music for stuff like that and Faulconer delivered.
While we're at it, let's take out all the violins and crap from Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and 2001: A Space Odyssey and replace it with some Nü Metal.

Better than that wimpy Also Sprach Zarathustra crap...

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Post by B » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:25 pm

hui43210 wrote:
LeprikanGT wrote:I am not saying there's anything wrong with the original Japanese music, but I can't listen to it. It just makes the show seem more 'whimpy' with chimes and flumes and all that going off during a battle. We need some BAMF music for stuff like that and Faulconer delivered.
I have to agree here. Now I prepare myself for the wrath I'm sure to incur for my preferences.
You incur wrath from people because your reasons are shitty. The saying "opinions can't be stupid" was invented by some poor sap filled with insecurity because his opinions were in the minority. The reality is, opinions are as stupid as the way are phrased. "Whimpy?" What the hell does that even mean? Because the music is orchestral, AKA, not what your friends in middle school were listening to, it's bad? Dragon Ball isn't filled with asskicking scenes, and when said scenes showed up, fast-paced music played in the Japanese version.
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Post by laserkid » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:26 pm

Ultimatly the problem with the dub score is that it doesn't know how to SHUT UP. The original has lots of use of silence for effect. The dub drones on and on, and rarely if ever fits the moment. Instead of being used to enhance the mood like the original score, it's a constant noise.
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Post by Super Sonic » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:27 pm

This all sounds similar to how I can't watch Street Fighter II: The Animated Movie in Japanese. Besides that mixing up of the grand masters' names, I saw clips of the Japanese version's final showdown and it was to a happy pop song. It didn't feel right with me. With DBZ, it depends on the circumstance.

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Post by Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:28 pm

I dislike both.

Like I've said in the past, I don't mind DragonBall using the original Japanese score because in my personal opinion it just fits better that way. The animation style of the original DragonBall (a bit lower budget than Z's) makes it look older (mainly because it is older), which fits better with the aged music.

DragonBall Z on the other hand had a bit higher budget animation, so the same style of music just doesn't fit. Falconer tried to make a some-what decent score and failed horribly save for a few select tunes (Vegeta's theme, Goku going Super Saiyan for the first time).

The original score is like using 8-bit chiptunes on a newer game and Falconer's score is like using shitty but somewhat more advanced music on the same game.

Now with Kai, I don't have this problem. The music is newer and fits the mood of the show, which remedies my problems with the dub's script and the original soundtrack.

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Post by KaiserNeko » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:29 pm

hui43210 wrote:
LeprikanGT wrote:I am not saying there's anything wrong with the original Japanese music, but I can't listen to it. It just makes the show seem more 'whimpy' with chimes and flumes and all that going off during a battle. We need some BAMF music for stuff like that and Faulconer delivered.
I have to agree here. Now I prepare myself for the wrath I'm sure to incur for my preferences.
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No, but seriously. The music at the time was wholly appropriate and, as it went on, it became the music that fans grew up with. I started with the Saban score, then went to the Japanese score as I stared watching the show almost entirely in Japanese, and then heard the Faulconer tracks when they first started being released. Honestly, I thought it was a huge change of pace from Shuki Levi's score, and I appreciated it for that. But I quickly came to loath it for being almost entirely synthesized, playing too loudly in several scenes, having utterly inappropriate music playing during several scenes, and worst of all, realized the entire score was playing to the "hard-core" area of the fandom.

When it comes down to it, the original music was orchestral, appropriately used, full of drama and power during the action and light-hearted and charming during the calmer scenes. Its use of cellos, violins, trumpets, drums, and organs made for a far more organic and personal experience while the dub music makes everything feel less personal and realistic. It's jarring, it's overwrought, and even the good tunes from Faulconer end up overused, often inappropriately.

I've had dubbed-only fans watch the Orange Bricks with the Japanese music on and convert because they find a far more enriching and interesting experience with the original score.
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Post by Kendamu » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:30 pm

Teclo wrote:All Faulconer delivered was crap aimed at 14-year-old Americans with black hoodies on.
Actually, at the time, it was black trench coats. :P

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Post by Metalwario64 » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:34 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Besides that mixing up of the grand masters' names
:x

God dammit! Those were the original names!!

COA altered their names to avoid lawsuits because the boxers name was Mike Bison, who sounded too much like a certain boxer who was into legal issues at the time...
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Post by Kendamu » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:35 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:Besides that mixing up of the grand masters' names
:x

God dammit! Those were the original names!!

COA altered their names to avoid lawsuits because the boxers name was Mike Bison, who sounded too much like a certain boxer who was into legal issues at the time...
They did switch Vega, though, because it sounded too 'wimpy' for a final boss.

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Post by A-dono » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:35 pm

I think someone already mentioned how the dub music never stops, and I have to agree that that's one of the worst aspects of it.

The dub has no respect for the value of silence. There are certain moments in the series that just demand a break in the background music so the viewer can bask in the sound of the wind or appreciate the gravity of the events transpiring on the screen. Having that synthesized noise pollution droning on from the beginning of the episode till the end can really ruin the mood.

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Post by ShinRogafuken » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:40 pm

Raki wrote:What's wrong with having an intelligent discussion as to why we don't care about the US music?
Yeah, its fine. I just wanted to give my opinion on why I can't stand Faulconer's score. So yeah.

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Post by Metalwario64 » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:43 pm

Kendamu wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:Besides that mixing up of the grand masters' names
:x

God dammit! Those were the original names!!

COA altered their names to avoid lawsuits because the boxers name was Mike Bison, who sounded too much like a certain boxer who was into legal issues at the time...
They did switch Vega, though, because it sounded too 'wimpy' for a final boss.
Or perhaps because they thought M.Bison wouldn't suit a Spaniard. Vega is a Spanish name so they had to further switch it up to make it all fit together.
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Post by Rory » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:47 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
B wrote:If I may add something to Rory's remark, this appreciation for Faulconer's tracks stems less from FUNimation fanboyism(FUNimation is Jesus to the One Piece fanbase[Oda is their God]) and more from it being in English.

You'll be hard pressed to find someone who hates FUNimation's dub acting/writing, but loves their music, or vice versa. The two go hand in hand.
I don't like some of their script changes, does that count?

I don't fucking see how hard it is to grasp the concept that some people actually fucking like it.

I think it might be best for me to stay away from any thread that devolves into your typical dub vs. sub debate. It's not good for me.
jjgp1112, I respect you for fighting a valliant battle for Faulconer. No, seriously, I do, no sarcasm here, but you've gotta' understand that you're in an extreme minority. You seem to want the dub, (but appriciate the original voices) with the original music.. well, up until the Boo arc, then you want the broadcast audio.
There really arn't many people like that, so when we make remarks about FUNi's moronic fanbase (I hate to be harsh but come on, Youtube.com, need I say more?) we arn't really aiming it at you.. well, we are after the Cell arc apparently.. but like I say, extreme minority. :)

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Post by Super Sonic » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:49 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote: :x

God dammit! Those were the original names!!

COA altered their names to avoid lawsuits because the boxers name was Mike Bison, who sounded too much like a certain boxer who was into legal issues at the time...
They did switch Vega, though, because it sounded too 'wimpy' for a final boss.
Or perhaps because they thought M.Bison wouldn't suit a Spaniard. Vega is a Spanish name so they had to further switch it up to make it all fit together.
Actually they called the Spanish guy Balrog. And yes I know they were the original names. The point is I cannot call them by their Japanese names, since their English ones are what I've been calling them since I was 10. Same thing, albeit different ages are with Akuma and mispronouncing Ryu's name.

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Post by Sin » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:51 pm

Well it beats the Dub movie soundtracks thats for sure, they just pasted a lot of rock over it all :P

I personally prefer the Japanese score but I do like some of the English ones too like Ginyu's Transformation (I think that's the name)

But the original Audio is more fitting and makes the anime seem more traditional in my opinion. :wink:

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Post by Metalwario64 » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:53 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Actually they called the Spanish guy Balrog.
I know, I'm talking about after they switched the Boxer's(M.Bison) name, then they had to switch the Spaniards new name(M.Bison) with the Dictators name(Vega). Or however they went about it.:P
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