English Dragon Box Release

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:35 pm

obiwan23s wrote:I guess you're fine with the anime world outside of Daizex thinking that Dragon Ball is some stupid shit that people watched when they were in middle school on Toonami? Honestly, bring up Dragon Ball anywhere but here and see if you don't get laughed out the fucking door. That's FUNimation's fault, and FUNimation's altered BGM track is part of that reason. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. If you hit up Bandai and asked them to please use Faulconer's music on a Gundam show, or the second season of Haruhi, they probably wouldn't even send you a text message saying "no," that's how ridiculous it is.

I'm not trying to be a dick here. I'm just saying that in 2009 you could not logically request FUNimation or any other company to alter the soundtrack of another title. Just because you have fond memories of creaming your pants as Gohan kicked heads off of Cell Juniors isn't even relevant to the discussion. Faulconer isn't Dragon Ball and should be removed from the dub for good. End of story.

I'm fine with people thinking what they want to think. And I fail to see how the soundtrack effected the public view of Dragon Ball. The number one complaint about Dragon Ball is always the filler. Then its usually the art. Sometimes the voice acting. I have never once heard a single complaint from a casual fan about the US broadcast music.

I didn't watch DBZ on Toonami. The first time I saw DBZ was on the orange bricks. I love the original score. I am not ashamed to admit that I also enjoy the Falconor music. I believe that FUNimation should try to please all parties and not alienate ANY part of the fanbase. FUNimation should include the US broadcast audio track. End of story.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:41 pm

I've never heard anyone in the outside world complain about the show because of the dub or the music. They usually complain because of the slow pace the show has. I don't see how Funi did anything to damage DBZ's reputation in the states. Even if it had a "good" dub people would still complain about filler and dragged-out fights.

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:41 pm

I just don't like the music. By itself, it's fine. Dragonball? No.

B · Post by B » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:42 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I've never heard anyone in the outside world complain about the show because of the dub or the music. They usually complain because of the slow pace the show has. I don't see how Funi did anything to damage DBZ's reputation in the states. Even if it had a "good" dub people would still complain about filler and dragged-out fights.

Exactly. With a show that was doomed from the start, it should be presented in the least insulting way possible.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:43 pm

obiwan23s wrote: Just because you have fond memories of creaming your pants as Gohan kicked heads off of Cell Juniors isn't even relevant to the discussion.

That scene was better in the manga.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:43 pm

The problem with putting this music on the Dbox as well as the JPN music with the dub is the space it will take up on the DVD. When the entire point of the Dbox is visual quality the LAST THING we need is to hurt the video quality to make a group of people very unlikely to even want the Dbox happy.

Sure, you could do away with the JPN music with the dub instead, but I doubt that's going to happen.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:43 pm

B wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:I've never heard anyone in the outside world complain about the show because of the dub or the music. They usually complain because of the slow pace the show has. I don't see how Funi did anything to damage DBZ's reputation in the states. Even if it had a "good" dub people would still complain about filler and dragged-out fights.
Exactly. With a show that was doomed from the start, it should be presented in the least insulting way possible.

Well we can't change the past, so why dwell on it so much? The ends justify the means, at least in my book.

obiwan23s · Post by **obiwan23s** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:48 pm

Raki wrote:
obiwan23s wrote: Just because you have fond memories of creaming your pants as Gohan kicked heads off of Cell Juniors isn't even relevant to the discussion.
That scene was better in the manga.

Pretty much everything but Son's Super Saiyan transformation was better in the manga.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:51 pm

laserkid wrote:The problem with putting this music on the Dbox as well as the JPN music with the dub is the space it will take up on the DVD. When the entire point of the Dbox is visual quality the LAST THING we need is to hurt the video quality to make a group of people very unlikely to even want the Dbox happy.

Sure, you could do away with the JPN music with the dub instead, but I doubt that's going to happen.

Yeah, you have a good point here. Regardless of if you like it or not, the Faulconer track wouldn't be good to the video quality. And for those who haven't noticed, the FUNi fans who like the dub track (for the most part, there ARE a few exceptions) don't even want to buy the Dragon Box because of the reasons we've already discussed.

So why screw up the video quality on the Dragon Box with a feature that only people who aren't going to buy it prefer (again, there are exceptions)?

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:11 pm

Raki wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:
Raki wrote:Believe or not, maybe someone will buy DBZ for the first time with this first Dragonbox. Does anybody want their first impression to be the Falcouner score playing non-stop?
What?

Would it actually be a bad thing if they actually, I don't know, liked it?
It's not the score for the show. The Falcouner music is a just replacement noise meant to get money. Now it's served its purpose and should take it's place with the Saban dub of the show. To be fair, DBZ needs to get in line with the rest of Funi's properties, at least in the music department.

And how will liking the dub score make him any worse of a DBZ fan? I don't care about whether or not you consider the score part of the show or not, I don't see what's wrong with people actually enjoying it. Jesus Christ. We're all DBZ fans. Who gives a fuck about what score someone else likes?! We all love the show, so let us all watch the immersing story under OUR INDIVIDUAL VIEWING PREFERENCES. We're all watching the same show here, just with different music. No matter how you watch the show, it's still Dragon Ball Z, regardless of how someone else prefers to watch it.

Hopefully this post will end this shit once and for all, though I doubt it.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:14 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:And how will liking the dub score make him any worse of a DBZ fan? I don't care about whether or not you consider the score part of the show or not, I don't see what's wrong with people actually enjoying. Jesus Christ. We're all DBZ fans. Who gives a fuck about what score someone else likes?! We all love the show, so let us all watch the immersing story under OUR INDIVIDUAL VIEWING PREFERENCES. We're all watching the same show here, just with different music.

I have to come out and actually agree with you here. In my mind there are 2 types of FUNi Dub/Faulconerscore fans:

1- Those who just enjoy the dub score as their viewing preference (I'm fine with these people)
2- Those who diss the Japanese version because of "boring music" "weird voices" whatever, and try to act like their dub and score is the real DBZ, and also want it to invade a product that's supposed to be for fans like us.

The people in Group 2 (most of them are in Group 2 by the way) are the ones I dislike.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:16 pm

A division of the fandom's "preferences" should not take precedence over the proper treatment of the material itself.

It's like if a handful of people wanted Gilbert Gottfried to voice Piccolo. They'd like it, but it'd be obnoxious, ridiculous, and all-around detrimental to the presentation of the character and the show.

The dub music is no different. Whether anyone likes it or not is totally irrelevant. It doesn't belong there, and it never did.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:19 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:A division of the fandom's "preferences" should not take precedence over the proper treatment of the material itself.

It's like if a handful of people wanted Gilbert Gottfried to voice Piccolo. They'd like it, but it'd be obnoxious, ridiculous, and all-around detrimental to the presentation of the character and the show.

The dub music is no different. It doesn't matter if people like it or not. It doesn't belong there.

It's all your opinion. It doesn't belong there to you. You don't think the Faulconer score belongs there, but that doesn't mean other people think so as well. And hell, you probably don't even like the dub in the first place. And since you don't like the dub score, you always have the Japanese version that you like. You're still watching what you think is the "right" DBZ, while the fans who are watching the version that you think is "wrong" will continue liking their version. And I don't see how another person's viewing preference could possibly affect your enjoyment of the show or release.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:20 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:And how will liking the dub score make him any worse of a DBZ fan? I don't care about whether or not you consider the score part of the show or not, I don't see what's wrong with people actually enjoying it. Jesus Christ. We're all DBZ fans. Who gives a fuck about what score someone else likes?! We all love the show, so let us all watch the immersing story under OUR INDIVIDUAL VIEWING PREFERENCES. We're all watching the same show here, just with different music.

You wanna stop randomly cursing at people? It's getting really old. Consider this a formal warning. You're free to converse, but I've had it up to here with your douchebag "fuck fuck fuck" comments at everyone you disagree with.

I think Raki makes a perfectly valid point -- with these new sets, if there is to be an English dub (which there will be), the default audio track for any inclusions should be with the Japanese music. FUNimation is promoting this as being faithful to the original Japanese release and presentation, and that fulfills that mission.

Seriously, I don't think any of us posting on this board actually want anyone to be missing out on anything. We've all suffered losses over the years in terms of the show's presentation and release, and it would be awesome if we could all win out with this (final?) release by having all the audio tracks included. If there's one that *has* to go, though? Sure. It should be the "old" dub track, since that does not fulfill the mission of this release; I don't see how on Earth you can disagree with that.

So really? You're going to throw a shit-fit at someone because they recommend that the first dub selectable be one with the Japanese music?

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:23 pm

IMO, the bricks are for the dub fans. These are for the Japanese fans.

But like Heath said, "You're watching Dragonball. THATS ALL THAT MATTERS."

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:28 pm

The thing that's pissing me off is people saying that the score people should be watching the show with is the Japanese score. Who are you to tell me how I should watch the show? Comments like "the dub fanbase is weaned off of it and starts learning to appreciate the show's REAL score" and whatnot just seem so...condescending. And my natural reaction to stuff like that is telling people to fuck off and all of that stuff.

RemiLeopold · Post by **RemiLeopold** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:32 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:A division of the fandom's "preferences" should not take precedence over the proper treatment of the material itself.

It's like if a handful of people wanted Gilbert Gottfried to voice Piccolo. They'd like it, but it'd be obnoxious, ridiculous, and all-around detrimental to the presentation of the character and the show.

The dub music is no different. Whether anyone likes it or not is totally irrelevant. It doesn't belong there, and it never did.

But I think Gilbert Gottfried should voice EVERYONE D:.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:36 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:The thing that's pissing me off is people saying that the score people should be watching the show with is the Japanese score. Who are you to tell me how I should watch the show? Comments like "the dub fanbase is weaned off of it and starts learning to appreciate the show's REAL score" and whatnot just seem so...condescending. And my natural reaction to stuff like that is telling people to fuck off and all of that stuff.

The thing is... the Japanese score, which is most of the rest of the world's score, is the real score. It isn't about being condescending. The Japanese score is the real score. It's like if Japan were to replace the music for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles show that was on around the same time as Dragonball. The American score would still be the real score.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:40 pm

Kendamu wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:The thing that's pissing me off is people saying that the score people should be watching the show with is the Japanese score. Who are you to tell me how I should watch the show? Comments like "the dub fanbase is weaned off of it and starts learning to appreciate the show's REAL score" and whatnot just seem so...condescending. And my natural reaction to stuff like that is telling people to fuck off and all of that stuff.
The thing is... the Japanese score, which is most of the rest of the world's score, is the real score. It isn't about being condescending. The Japanese score is the real score. It's like if Japan were to replace the music for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles show that was on around the same time as Dragonball. The American score would still be the real score.

But the point is, people are saying that we shouldn't enjoy the Dub score because of it not being the "real score." What kind of bullshit is that? It can still be what I like better, regardless of whether or not it's the real score. I will always watch Dragon Ball Z with the dub regardless of whether or not it's how it should be.

As Kaboom once said about the Season sets, I now want to watch the DBZ Dub just to be a pain in the ass to those who think I shouldn't watch it. Basically, my middle finger to everyone.

obiwan23s · Post by **obiwan23s** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:41 pm

Kendamu wrote:The thing is... the Japanese score, which is most of the rest of the world's score, is the real score. It isn't about being condescending. The Japanese score is the real score. It's like if Japan were to replace the music for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles show that was on around the same time as Dragonball. The American score would still be the real score.

Exactly. I don't care if you grew up with this score or if Mommy and Daddy bought you a Faulconer soundtrack as a stocking stuffer for Christmas one year. It's not the Dragon Ball score. End of story. It's a fake score that FUNimation produced.

If FUNi insists on marketing this as a end-all-be-all release of Z on DVD, then one would think the dub score does not fit that bill even in the slightest.