English Dragon Box Release

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:45 pm

obiwan23s wrote:
Kendamu wrote:The thing is... the Japanese score, which is most of the rest of the world's score, is the real score. It isn't about being condescending. The Japanese score is the real score. It's like if Japan were to replace the music for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles show that was on around the same time as Dragonball. The American score would still be the real score.
Exactly. I don't care if you grew up with this score or if Mommy and Daddy bought you a Faulconer soundtrack as a stocking stuffer for Christmas one year. It's not the Dragon Ball score. End of story. It's a fake score that FUNimation produced.

If FUNi insists on marketing this as a end-all-be-all release of Z on DVD, then one would think the dub score does not fit that bill even in the slightest.

Yes, it's the definitive release. They should include every aspect of the show. And whether you like it or not, the score is part of the dub which is part of DBZ. They shouldn't exclude it because it's been a part of the DBZ dub that we all grew up on for years. This should be a complete release.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:47 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:The thing that's pissing me off is people saying that the score people should be watching the show with is the Japanese score. Who are you to tell me how I should watch the show? Comments like "the dub fanbase is weaned off of it and starts learning to appreciate the show's REAL score" and whatnot just seem so...condescending. And my natural reaction to stuff like that is telling people to fuck off and all of that stuff.

But the Japanese score is the real score of Dragon Ball. Period. I mean, its not a very hard concept to understand here.

The Faulconer score is Dragon Ball-related, but it isn't Dragon Ball.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:48 pm

RemiLeopold wrote:But I think Gilbert Gottfried should voice EVERYONE. D:

Perhaps we should petition to TeamFourStar in that regard.

Kendamu's right. It's not a matter of preference or opinion. It's a matter of what is or isn't right for the show, not for any particular person. I support and push for the phasing out of the dub score and universal replacement of the original Japanese score because that's how it should be.

The music was made for the show. Practically every other dub in the world's creators had enough sense to use it. FUNimation's score is the oddity. Mixing up your own score and using it instead of the original is a bad business practice and practically unheard of nowadays. Only shit-tastic dubbing companies like 4Kids do that. It'd be in the best interest of the product and the fandom if FUNimation stopped letting the dub score straggle and just dropped it already.

If that upsets a few crybaby dub-score fans, then... tough shit. They'll get over it in time, and if they don't, then they can dig up older releases or just not watch the show.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:49 pm

ShinRogafuken wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:The thing that's pissing me off is people saying that the score people should be watching the show with is the Japanese score. Who are you to tell me how I should watch the show? Comments like "the dub fanbase is weaned off of it and starts learning to appreciate the show's REAL score" and whatnot just seem so...condescending. And my natural reaction to stuff like that is telling people to fuck off and all of that stuff.
But the Japanese score is the real score of Dragon Ball. Period. I mean, its not a very hard concept to understand here.

But that doesn't mean I have to like it. And since I think Funi's "fake score" is better, I'll watch that instead. Whether or not it it's the "real" score means nothing to me.

obiwan23s · Post by **obiwan23s** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:49 pm

ShinRogafuken wrote:But the Japanese score is the real score of Dragon Ball. Period. I mean, its not a very hard concept to understand here.

Do you realize who you're dealing with here? This guy has quite possibly the biggest hard on for the dub score on the whole forum. It's like trying to convince a diehard Michael Jackson fan that he didn't fool around with little boys.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:51 pm

You know, it's getting extremely hard for me to comply with Mike's warning to me to be polite with you saying stuff like that.

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:51 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Yes, it's the definitive release. They should include every aspect of the show. And whether you like it or not, the score is part of the dub which is part of DBZ. They shouldn't exclude it because it's been a part of the DBZ dub that we all grew up on for years. This should be a complete release.

Then by your logic it should also include the Ocean dub. It was the DBZ dub for years, and the introduction to DBZ for many fans. And the post season three stuff has never gotten a home release. Now that's unfair. It's as much a part of DBZ as Funi's fake score, and should be included in this definitive release.

And I'll throw an irrational shit fit at anybody who says otherwise!!

Presc503 · Post by **Presc503** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:55 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:A division of the fandom's "preferences" should not take precedence over the proper treatment of the material itself.

It's like if a handful of people wanted Gilbert Gottfried to voice Piccolo. They'd like it, but it'd be obnoxious, ridiculous, and all-around detrimental to the presentation of the character and the show.

The dub music is no different. It doesn't matter if people like it or not. It doesn't belong there.
It's all your opinion. It doesn't belong there to you. You don't think the Faulconer score belongs there, but that doesn't mean other people think so as well. And hell, you probably don't even like the dub in the first place. And since you don't like the dub score, you always have the Japanese version that you like. You're still watching what you think is the "right" DBZ, while the fans who are watching the version that you think is "wrong" will continue liking their version. And I don't see how another person's viewing preference could possibly affect your enjoyment of the show or release.

Well, it also doesn't belong there according to the original creator of the series, as he didn't use Faulconer as the BGM composer. It's not just opinion here; the original BGM was not the Faulconer dub.

Would it be totally unfair if it was not included? True, you enjoy it, so do many others. But let's not forget that this release is the Dragon Box release, which did not include an audio track of Faulconer's score in its initial release. I would not be shocked to see one score (JPN) with a sub and dub track (actually that's what I expect).

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:56 pm

As godofchaos said, this isn't the Dragon Box. This is another company's version of it.

Presc503 · Post by **Presc503** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:00 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:As godofchaos said, this isn't the Dragon Box. This is another company's version of it.

Yep, that's why the packaging deviates so much from the original. Give me a freaking break! Their advertising for this entire release thus far has been a replication of the JPN release. Give it a rest.

And I think he was referring to encode matters at that point, not at the inclusion of another BGM.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:04 pm

Presc503 wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:As godofchaos said, this isn't the Dragon Box. This is another company's version of it.
Yep, that's why the packaging deviates so much from the original. Give me a freaking break! Their advertising for this entire release thus far has been a replication of the JPN release. Give it a rest.

And I think he was referring to encode matters at that point, not at the inclusion of another BGM.

Subtitles also weren't on the Japanese Dragon Boxes. So should they not include those either?

Presc503 · Post by **Presc503** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:12 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Presc503 wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:As godofchaos said, this isn't the Dragon Box. This is another company's version of it.
Yep, that's why the packaging deviates so much from the original. Give me a freaking break! Their advertising for this entire release thus far has been a replication of the JPN release. Give it a rest.

And I think he was referring to encode matters at that point, not at the inclusion of another BGM.
Subtitles also weren't on the Japanese Dragon Boxes. So should they not include those either?

Now you're just being a moronic troll. Go ahead and take the victim mentality you so rightly love and deserve.

You get angry at others for their partiality but let your own likewise blind you to the realities of this release.

If this release contains the Faulconer BGM, then good for you. If it doesn't, Dragon Ball is simply falling into the lines of nearly every other anime released stateside.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:17 pm

Presc503 wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:
Presc503 wrote: Yep, that's why the packaging deviates so much from the original. Give me a freaking break! Their advertising for this entire release thus far has been a replication of the JPN release. Give it a rest.

And I think he was referring to encode matters at that point, not at the inclusion of another BGM.
Subtitles also weren't on the Japanese Dragon Boxes. So should they not include those either?
Now you're just being a moronic troll. Go ahead and take the victim mentality you so rightly love and deserve.

You get angry at others for their partiality but let your own likewise blind you to the realities of this release.

If this release contains the Faulconer BGM, then good for you. If it doesn't, Dragon Ball is simply falling into the lines of nearly every other anime released stateside.

Dude, you just said that the Faulconer score probably wouldn't be on there because it wasn't in the Japanese Dragon Box. But subtitles weren't there either. So should we just exclude that to keep it as an exact replica of the Japanese Dragon Box? Hell, while they're at it, they should add the other 105 episodes and price it at 800 bucks! Then it'll be an exact release of the Dragon Boxes!!

People these days just throw the word "troll" around too easily. It's as if anyone who has an unpopular opinion that's strong about it is a troll.

Presc503 · Post by **Presc503** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:28 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Presc503 wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Subtitles also weren't on the Japanese Dragon Boxes. So should they not include those either?
Now you're just being a moronic troll. Go ahead and take the victim mentality you so rightly love and deserve.

You get angry at others for their partiality but let your own likewise blind you to the realities of this release.

If this release contains the Faulconer BGM, then good for you. If it doesn't, Dragon Ball is simply falling into the lines of nearly every other anime released stateside.
Dude, you just said that the Faulconer score probably wouldn't be on there because it wasn't in the Japanese Dragon Box. But subtitles weren't there either. So should we just exclude that to keep it as an exact replica of the Dragon Box?

People these days just throw the word "troll" around too easily. It's as if anyone who has an unpopular opinion that's strong about it is a troll.

Or is it just because it gets thrown at you more than others?

Let's use some big people thinking skills here and be reasonable. The inclusion of a dub that was only added by FUNimation and has nothing to do with the original broadcast of the show being on par with the inclusion of subtitles is a ridiculous reach even by your standards. It is a replication of the Dragon Box with measures taken to make is accessible to an English speaking audience. Subtitles are necessary for most people; however, a second BGM is not. That's why I wrote what I wrote.

Your response was simply one that was trying to pick a fight and a basic straw man argument.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:30 pm

It happens to people on IGN all the time, which is why I said it.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:43 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:It happens on IGN all the time, which is why I said it.

This is not the IGN forum. Seriously, why are you being so defensive? Just laugh at them and get it over with. Your opinion is your opnion. Don't try to force others to change their preference. Besides, the original score was meant for DBZ and therefore Funimation should be using the original music. Funimation was like "Let's rip fans off and replace it with our preference. They will do anything we throw at. We don't care about the original script, voice, intro, encoding and therefore we shouldn't care about music either."

If you like dub track, then I'm happy for you. If it makes you feel better, I like both tracks.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:45 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:It happens on IGN all the time, which is why I said it.
This is not the IGN forum. Seriously, why are you being so defensive? Just laugh at them and get it over with. Your opinion is your opnion. Don't try to force others to change their preference. Besides, the original score was meant for DBZ and therefore Funimation should be using the original music. Funimation was like "Let's rip fans off and replace it with our preference. They will do anything we throw at. We don't care about the original script, voice, intro, encoding and therefore we shouldn't care about music either."

If you like dub track, then I'm happy for you. If it makes you feel better, I like both tracks.

I'm not trying to get anyone to change their preferences. Two people in here told me to change my preference. I'm trying to tell them that they have no right to tell me to do that.

I just want someone, anyone, to answer the question that I was trying to ask in the first place: Why should I like the Japanese score just because it's the original and not listen to the Faulconer because it's not the original score? And what gives you the entitlement to tell me that in the first place?

dragonfist · Post by **dragonfist** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:49 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:It happens on IGN all the time, which is why I said it.
This is not the IGN forum. Seriously, why are you being so defensive? Just laugh at them and get it over with. Your opinion is your opnion. Don't try to force others to change their preference. Besides, the original score was meant for DBZ and therefore Funimation should be using the original music. Funimation was like "Let's rip fans off and replace it with our preference. They will do anything we throw at. We don't care about the original script, voice, intro, encoding and therefore we shouldn't care about music either."

If you like dub track, then I'm happy for you. If it makes you feel better, I like both tracks.

I don't know? Maybe because a lot of members are attacking *his* opinion and telling him to flip off?

I certainty sympathize with him even if I don't approve of how he responds.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:49 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Two people in here told me to change my preference. I'm trying to tell them that they have no right to tell me to do that.

Nobody's (at least, I'm not) telling you to change your preference, and there's nothing wrong with you having it. I'm just saying your preference doesn't take precedence over the objective quality of the show's presentation. It just so happens that what's best for the show (i.e. ditching the dub music) is contrary to your preference.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:52 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Two people in here told me to change my preference. I'm trying to tell them that they have no right to tell me to do that.
Nobody's (at least, I'm not) telling you to change your preference, and there's nothing wrong with you having it. I'm just saying your preference doesn't take precedence over the objective quality of the show's presentation. It just so happens that what's best for the show (i.e. ditching the dub music) is contrary to your preference.

I'm talking about this particular comment:

it's high time it gets phased out altogether and the dub fanbase is weaned off of it and starts learning to appreciate the show's REAL score.

I mean, seriously?