English Dragon Box Release

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:56 pm

Well it's the truth.

I LOOOOOVED Sesame Street as a baby. But while I can still appreciate it, I get nothing out of it now. For the most part I've moved on to better shows more appropriate for someone my age.

But that's probably a bad example, because Sesame Street is actually good, well-made, and serves a useful purpose.

sumpter360 · Post by **sumpter360** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:57 pm

Okay, I think, as fans of Dragonball, we should accept every aspect of it. Who cares if someone hates a particular track of it? The fact of the matter is that track is a part of Dragonball history. To some of us, more than others. Those who saw the JPN version first know DBZ with that track, but one who grew up with it on Cartoon Network may prefer the Faulconer track. I'm sick of all this debating over which track should be used. Preference over a certain track is no excuse to put a person down, simply because they have different tastes than you. Ideally, they should include both English tracks, to appease all fans of the FUNi dub. But since that's not too likely to happen, I think we all just need to chill out and accept whatever happens.

dragonfist · Post by **dragonfist** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:59 pm

FUNimation only said they got new masters from Japan's Dbox masters. I don't see the actual bitrate of episodes being said to be the same as the Japanese DVDs.

This debate is really getting out of hand.

Presc503 · Post by **Presc503** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:04 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Two people in here told me to change my preference. I'm trying to tell them that they have no right to tell me to do that.
Nobody's (at least, I'm not) telling you to change your preference, and there's nothing wrong with you having it. I'm just saying your preference doesn't take precedence over the objective quality of the show's presentation. It just so happens that what's best for the show (i.e. ditching the dub music) is contrary to your preference.
I'm talking about this particular comment:

it's high time it gets phased out altogether and the dub fanbase is weaned off of it and starts learning to appreciate the show's REAL score.
I mean, seriously?

Okay, you have claimed you were the peacemaker of the situation a few posts back, but the questions you ask and what you post makes it seem like you're trying to open this can of worms again

If you are tired of hearing the responses you are getting, why don't you just stop trying to call out those people whose opinions you disagree with.

I'm probably making the situation worse here. I'm done for a while.

obiwan23s · Post by **obiwan23s** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:22 pm

The way I see it, no one is specifically putting jjgp1112 down because he likes the Faulconer dub score. What people here are arguing in favor of is Dragon Ball Z being treated the way every single other anime property released in North America is. Sure there are people out there who like the Faulconer score or even prefer it over the original one. That's an opinion they're entitled to, but all the same, Dragon Ball Z itself is entitled to a release that doesn't change its original presentation, which includes the BGM track.

The Faulconer score represents a time long past when FUNimation felt it needed to take such drastic measures to make DBZ popular. I'm of the opinion that Z would've been popular anyway, even if it had an unadulterated dub with a completely accurate translation and nothing fucked with, such as blood or yes, even the music. The simple truth is that FUNi doesn't need to go to those lengths to sell DBZ anymore. If the Dragon Box comes out here with the Faulconer track on it, it'll be a metaphor for a motivational poster for "Irony," seeing how FUNi rescued One Piece from a similar fate.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:50 pm

Yeah, every other proper English dub of anime uses the original Japanese music, especially now in 2009.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:58 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Presc503 wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:As godofchaos said, this isn't the Dragon Box. This is another company's version of it.
Yep, that's why the packaging deviates so much from the original. Give me a freaking break! Their advertising for this entire release thus far has been a replication of the JPN release. Give it a rest.

And I think he was referring to encode matters at that point, not at the inclusion of another BGM.
Subtitles also weren't on the Japanese Dragon Boxes. So should they not include those either?

Doesn't matter to me. I own the Z singles and have watched the show with no subtitles.

jjgp1112 wrote:
it's high time it gets phased out altogether and the dub fanbase is weaned off of it and starts learning to appreciate the show's REAL score.
I mean, seriously?

To be fair, the existing dub fanbase doesn't matter to me. I want people who have never seen or heard DBZ to watch it with the original score so they won't get the wrong impression. Like it or not, the Falcouner score is slammed by outsiders who know nothing but the dub.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:05 pm

You guys make it sound like the dub music is the only problem with the dub. Using the original score will make it the way it was meant to be seen? What about the completely butchered script? The unfitting voices? The horrible acting? Honestly, without completely redubbing the show, the dub track will never be faithful. The changed music is probably the least offending change in the dub, so I don't see why everyone thinks getting rid of it will suddenly make the dub perfect. To do what you guys are asking and have these sets be the "pure Dragon Ball experience", FUNimation would have to either faithfully redub the entire series or not include any dub track on these sets, and I don't think I need to explain why neither of these are feasible. Even if people are watching the dub with Japanese BGM, they won't be watching "the actual Dragon Ball", so just let dub fans have their dub with English music so long as it doesn't compromise the video and Japanese audio quality.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:09 pm

If we(the sub fans) were to outright say "Just flip to the Japanese with subs", you know the shit storm that would follow.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:11 pm

Why is everyone so concerned about people being turned off by the dub(if it is the Broadcast track) in these releases?

The dub isn't even the default option, and I'm sure any newcomer would see that it is altered because they will hear the Japanese version first on these sets...

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:16 pm

Taku128 wrote:You guys make it sound like the dub music is the only problem with the dub. Using the original score will make it the way it was meant to be seen? What about the completely butchered script? The unfitting voices? The horrible acting? Honestly, without completely redubbing the show, the dub track will never be faithful. The changed music is probably the least offending change in the dub, so I don't see why everyone thinks getting rid of it will suddenly make the dub perfect. To do what you guys are asking and have these sets be the "pure Dragon Ball experience", FUNimation would have to either faithfully redub the entire series or not include any dub track on these sets, and I don't think I need to explain why neither of these are feasible. Even if people are watching the dub with Japanese BGM, they won't be watching "the actual Dragon Ball", so just let dub fans have their dub with English music so long as it doesn't compromise the video and Japanese audio quality.

THIS THIS THIS!

And people once brought up "US score with JP voices". What?!

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:25 pm

Raki wrote:If we(the sub fans) were to outright say "Just flip to the Japanese with subs", you know the shit storm that would follow.

Real Comment on my video from a DBZ fan:

"Ok but the voices are so damn annoying i hate jap voices"

So, at least the dub fans listening to the right music would be a step better, at least.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:28 pm

ShinRogafuken wrote:
Raki wrote:If we(the sub fans) were to outright say "Just flip to the Japanese with subs", you know the shit storm that would follow.
Real Comment on my video from a DBZ fan:

"Ok but the voices are so damn annoying i hate jap voices"

So, at least the dub fans listening to the right music would be a step better, at least.

These are probably the same group of people who have no issue with watching Naruto, Bleach, or [insert flavor of the month Japanese show] in Japanese. But somehow there is this big issue with DBZ's Japanese voices when many of the same VAs are in those shows.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:30 pm

Raki wrote:
ShinRogafuken wrote:
Raki wrote:If we(the sub fans) were to outright say "Just flip to the Japanese with subs", you know the shit storm that would follow.
Real Comment on my video from a DBZ fan:

"Ok but the voices are so damn annoying i hate jap voices"

So, at least the dub fans listening to the right music would be a step better, at least.
These are probably the same group of people who have no issue with watching Naruto, Bleach, or [insert flavor of the month Japanese show] in Japanese. But somehow there is this big issue with DBZ's Japanese voices when many of the same VAs are in those shows.

OH MY GOD, RAKI! Do you know what's so funny about what you said? This was the reply to the comment I just posted:

"Yep, One Piece, Bleach, Naruto Shippuden, Code Geass, all of them sound great in Japanese, only DBZ sounds bad in Japanese"

Coincidential, isn't it?

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:30 pm

ShinRogafuken wrote:
Raki wrote:If we(the sub fans) were to outright say "Just flip to the Japanese with subs", you know the shit storm that would follow.
Real Comment on my video from a DBZ fan:

"Ok but the voices are so damn annoying i hate jap voices"

So, at least the dub fans listening to the right music would be a step better, at least.

I hate people like that.. Is there such a big problem with a woman voicing a man? God.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:33 pm

Good news on the Dragonbox preorders:

http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/main/bestSellers/

For the week of August 16th
Last Week's Top Pre-orders

1. Dragon Ball Season 1 Uncut DVD Set (Hyb)
2. Spice and Wolf Season 1 DVD Complete Collection (Hyb)
3. One Piece Season 2 DVD Part 2 (Hyb) Uncut
4. One Piece Season 2 DVD Part 3 (Hyb) Uncut
5. One Piece Season 2 DVD Part 4 (Hyb) Uncut
6. Kaze no Stigma DVD Complete Season 1 Part 2 (Hyb)
7. Dragon Ball Season 2 Uncut DVD Set (Hyb)
8. Dragon Ball Z Season 1 Dragonbox DVD Set (Hyb)
9. Bamboo Blade DVD Part 1 (Hyb)
10. Claymore DVD Complete Series Box Set (Hyb)

Sales won't be a problem.

B · Post by B » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:36 pm

Taku128 wrote:You guys make it sound like the dub music is the only problem with the dub. Using the original score will make it the way it was meant to be seen? What about the completely butchered script? The unfitting voices? The horrible acting? Honestly, without completely redubbing the show, the dub track will never be faithful. The changed music is probably the least offending change in the dub, so I don't see why everyone thinks getting rid of it will suddenly make the dub perfect. To do what you guys are asking and have these sets be the "pure Dragon Ball experience", FUNimation would have to either faithfully redub the entire series or not include any dub track on these sets, and I don't think I need to explain why neither of these are feasible. Even if people are watching the dub with Japanese BGM, they won't be watching "the actual Dragon Ball", so just let dub fans have their dub with English music so long as it doesn't compromise the video and Japanese audio quality.

Removing the dub score will get the dub just a sliver closer to the way it was meant to be seen. It's a pretty safe assumption they're never going to fix the other problems you mentioned, sadly, so if we can at least axe Faulconer, we can put to rest the lame "the Japanese music is so boooring!" excuse.

You can't argue which score is better if there's only one score. Y'know, the way it should have been left as.

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:36 pm

Raki wrote:Good news on the Dragonbox preorders:

http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/main/bestSellers/

For the week of August 16th
Last Week's Top Pre-orders

1. Dragon Ball Season 1 Uncut DVD Set (Hyb)
2. Spice and Wolf Season 1 DVD Complete Collection (Hyb)
3. One Piece Season 2 DVD Part 2 (Hyb) Uncut
4. One Piece Season 2 DVD Part 3 (Hyb) Uncut
5. One Piece Season 2 DVD Part 4 (Hyb) Uncut
6. Kaze no Stigma DVD Complete Season 1 Part 2 (Hyb)
7. Dragon Ball Season 2 Uncut DVD Set (Hyb)
8. Dragon Ball Z Season 1 Dragonbox DVD Set (Hyb)
9. Bamboo Blade DVD Part 1 (Hyb)
10. Claymore DVD Complete Series Box Set (Hyb)

Sales won't be a problem.

More like good news for the Blue Bricks and One Piece. I expected the Dragon Box to be in the top 5.

SSJSteve · Post by **SSJSteve** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:39 pm

snaku wrote:
Raki wrote:Good news on the Dragonbox preorders:

http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/main/bestSellers/

For the week of August 16th
Last Week's Top Pre-orders

1. Dragon Ball Season 1 Uncut DVD Set (Hyb)
2. Spice and Wolf Season 1 DVD Complete Collection (Hyb)
3. One Piece Season 2 DVD Part 2 (Hyb) Uncut
4. One Piece Season 2 DVD Part 3 (Hyb) Uncut
5. One Piece Season 2 DVD Part 4 (Hyb) Uncut
6. Kaze no Stigma DVD Complete Season 1 Part 2 (Hyb)
7. Dragon Ball Season 2 Uncut DVD Set (Hyb)
8. Dragon Ball Z Season 1 Dragonbox DVD Set (Hyb)
9. Bamboo Blade DVD Part 1 (Hyb)
10. Claymore DVD Complete Series Box Set (Hyb)

Sales won't be a problem.
More like good news for the Blue Brick and One Piece. I expected the Dragon Box to be in the top 5.

Yeah same here, I thought the Dragon Box would be higher than 8th. Looking good for Dragon Ball Season 1.

B · Post by B » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:39 pm

snaku wrote:More like good news for the Blue Bricks and One Piece. I expected the Dragon Box to be in the top 5.

Well, it has been out for a spell, and this is counting just last week.