English Dragon Box Release

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:49 pm

laserkid wrote:most english dubs try to be accurate to the original. It's the entire point OF dubbing a show, and that's how we judge them. We don't judge them based on how "cool" they are, but how "accurate" they are. We save coolness judgement for the show itself, not the dubbing. In that regard DBZ's dub is an abject failure.

This is precisely the case. A dub being a "new version" of or a "new take" on the show is for the most part unacceptable (the exceptions, IMO, being certain comedy series like Shin Chan and Bo-Bobo). A good anime dub should contain the same music, the same scripts, the same unaltered footage, the same overall presentation... just in a different language.

FUNimation's dub of DBZ consistently fails in these standards almost constantly. While we're almost certain to never get a total, accurate redub, a complete switch-over to using the original, better music is a big step in the right direction.

That's why I'm against the continued inclusion of the 'alternate' dub music. It's a step backwards, away from what makes a dub good. Like the music or not, it doesn't belong there.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:59 pm

The fact is those that want the dub music in the Dragon Boxes are the minority among the minority in this case.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:07 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:That's why I'm against the continued inclusion of the 'alternate' dub music. It's a step backwards, away from what makes a dub good. Like the music or not, it doesn't belong there.

That doesn't make sense to me. For over a decade fans haven't had the option of a Dub with the original music. Now we do. That was a huge step forward. But instead of being happy with that you're making it seem like now you're entitled to have what is now essentially an alternate version to be wiped off of the face of the earth.

Sebastian (SB) wrote:The fact is those that want the dub music in the Dragon Boxes are the minority among the minority in this case.

I'm not so sure about that. DaizEX is hardly the majority of people who will be buying this release.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:12 pm

Gozar wrote:
Sebastian (SB) wrote:The fact is those that want the dub music in the Dragon Boxes are the minority among the minority in this case.
I'm not so sure about that. DaizEX is hardly the majority of people who will be buying this release.

I'm not so sure about that. If the types of comments outside of our community (which is not representative of the larger fandom) actually do represent the larger group of fans... they have a wildly angry, abrasive, (and typically ignorant) lack of interest in purchasing this release.

Which is fine, 'cuz it ain't for them

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Raki · Post by **Raki** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:18 pm

Gozar wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:That's why I'm against the continued inclusion of the 'alternate' dub music. It's a step backwards, away from what makes a dub good. Like the music or not, it doesn't belong there.
That doesn't make sense to me. For over a decade fans haven't had the option of a Dub with the original music. Now we do. That was a huge step forward. But instead of being happy with that you're making it seem like now you're entitled to have what is now essentially an alternate version to be wiped off of the face of the earth.

The score will still be on the season sets. Which plenty of people who enjoy the dub score were happy with them. Of course I'd like for everyone to be happy, but that just isn't going to happen. If something needs to go, the Falcouner score can be cut. It isn't some vital part of the show that we just have to have. The Falcouner score DOES NOT define Dragonball Z at all.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:28 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Which is fine, 'cuz it ain't for them .

Hmmm... Dragon Ball Z DaizEX Box?

russ869 · Post by **russ869** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:30 pm

RoarkVegeta wrote:And people once brought up "US score with JP voices". What?!

Ha haa!! It's all over Youtube.

Gozar wrote:Just because something came first, doesn't mean it's better. It doesn't mean people have to prefer it. Everyone has different tastes.

That's true, the original music isn't necessarily better. And you don't have to like it better. But that doesn't mean you can whine and get angry if a release comes out that doesn't happen to have the made-up altered music substituted in for the original music. They can't be faulted for not including something that wasn't even part of the show in the first place.

Vegeta Jr wrote:I really don't see why the Funi dub is so hated except maybe season 3 with Schemmel's strange noises.

It's a different take on the series so view it as much, the Japanese version isn't going anywhere so if you want the 'Dragonball experience' then watch that but I wish people would stop bitching about how the dub is 'unfaithfull'.

Why? Are you trying to deny that it's unfaithful? I understand if you're just sick of hearing people talk about what we already know, but that isn't going to change the fact that this is one of the only anime where the English adaptation is almost nothing like the original. People are supposed to be able to love the English version of an anime for the same reasons they loved the Japanese version.

Gozar wrote:That doesn't make sense to me. For over a decade fans haven't had the option of a Dub with the original music. Now we do. That was a huge step forward. But instead of being happy with that you're making it seem like now you're entitled to have what is now essentially an alternate version to be wiped off of the face of the earth.

Haa ha ha!! "Wiped off the face of the Earth?!" I think you're attributing to us much more power than we actually have.

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:42 pm

Now, they said it'll be one dub track only, right?

The dub tracks in the Remastered sets were two:

Dub track with Japanese music (5.1 Surround sound)

Dub track with the dub music (2.0 Stereo)

My guess is: They will pick the track with the Japanese music, because it's 5.1 Surround sound which is better than plain stereo.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:56 pm

SHINOBI-03 wrote:Now, they said it'll be one dub track only, right?

I don't think that's been confirmed. Everyone's trying to figure out if both or only one will be included.

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:04 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
SHINOBI-03 wrote:Now, they said it'll be one dub track only, right?
I don't think that's been confirmed. Everyone's trying to figure out if both or only one will be included.

But still... would they choose the plain 2-sided stereo over the 5.1?! I don't think so.

But if the dub music was the one used for the 5.1, it'll be something else.

sumpter360 · Post by **sumpter360** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:06 pm

Seriously, they need to spill the beans. Once they do, most of this dub track debate should calm down, right? Does anybody know when they're planning on telling us anything??? I'm getting cranky...

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:08 pm

Me @funimation Hate to be a bother, but any word yet on which English track will be on those Dragon Boxes? Dub-"music" or JPN-music or both?
FUNi's Twitter Rep: @Kaboom_Krusader sorry man, no word yet!

... Yeah. Still an unknown factor insofar as which or how many English tracks will be on these puppies.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:01 pm

Rightfully, it should be the track with the original JPN score. If that doesn't wind up making the cut I'm afriad I'm going to go to Texas and strangle Justin Cook.

.:PoetikaL:. · Post by **.:PoetikaL:.** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:06 pm

Most likely these Dragonboxes will have dub voices with the JPN score.

But to make it similar like the original release in Japan, the Faulconer score would suit better... since it was the one that originally aired here in the U.S.

Oh yeah, my first official post!

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:12 pm

One thing about the dub with the original music:

I can't listen to it. Part of it is because I can't bear to listen to the dub lines and voices anymore, but another is that these lines were written and acted with the dub score in mind. The argument can be made that the dub as a product, for better or for worse, really only is meant to work with its own score and that it should be maintained for all dub releases.

It can be argued, for the sake of argument, that the dub track with original music is the curiosity. Not the other way around.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:37 pm

Is FUNimation going to leave the dub alone for this release? Or do they have plans to improve it? (I mean the script and voices, or what not).

.:PoetikaL:. · Post by **.:PoetikaL:.** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:28 pm

ShinRogafuken wrote:Is FUNimation going to leave the dub alone for this release? Or do they have plans to improve it? (I mean the script and voices, or what not).

No one knows, most likely not. If they did, hallelujah!!!!

DB_Fan1991 · Post by **DB_Fan1991** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:05 pm

.:PoetikaL:. wrote:
ShinRogafuken wrote:Is FUNimation going to leave the dub alone for this release? Or do they have plans to improve it? (I mean the script and voices, or what not).
No one knows, most likely not. If they did, hallelujah!!!!

If Sean Schemmel comes back to redub season 3 that would be nice, but it's not an issue, I just hope the OP & ED songs get dubbed it's all I ask.

Char Aznable · Post by **Char Aznable** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:38 pm

DB_Fan1991 wrote:If Sean Schemmel comes back to redub season 3 that would be nice, but it's not an issue, I just hope the OP & ED songs get dubbed it's all I ask.

I agree. As nice as a full blown redub of Freeza arc material would be, I'd like to see Head Cha-La and ZENKAI Power receive a dub ala their Dragon Ball and GT themes. It only makes sense to do it after all - if they went through the effort of dubbing every theme out of GT, they might as well complete the circle. Personally, while I don't think the original versions of the songs can ever be topped by any sort of dubbing or remix, their English versions so far have been quite good, in my opinion.

At the very least, I think it's safe to say the Japanese version of Head Cha-La will actually make it onto the release, unlike their usage of some instrumental like last time.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:40 pm

I wonder if FUNimation is really going to one day decide to redub all of Dragon Ball, and Dragon Ball Z making it as accurate to the series as their other dubs are to other series.