SSJ3 Broly

verto · Post by **verto** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:26 pm

I don't think he get stronger limitlessly, but he does appear to get stronger as time goes on.

And about Vegeta kicking him in the neck; I always saw that as Toei's scene of Vegeta being useless (as this happens in most movies along with Piccolo randomly showing up to save Gohan's life, and Goku's eventual power up to kill the enemy).

But I am a Broly fan so I'm not sure how unbiased I am.

Sin · Post by **Sin** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:33 pm

Well either way if he can go SSJ3 and assuming he still has his tail I wouldn't close the door on SSJ4 just yet.

A-dono · Post by **A-dono** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:54 pm

Considering banana-head was popular enough to get two sequels, I'm surprised there wasn't a fourth film with him going SSJ3.

By that point, SSJ3 Gotenks would probably be able to handle him and Ultimate Gohan or Vegetto would turn him into cigarette ash.

And if by some chance banana-head ever went SSJ4, SSJ4 Gogeta would crush him into a little cube and use him as a paper-weight.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:13 pm

Sin wrote:Agreed, his extremely high base power combined with all of his near death experiences are my explanation for his growing power.

But what growing power? Did he really do anything in the second movie he was in to make us think he's a lot stronger than he was in the first? It's been a while since I've seen them, but it doesn't seem like there was a drastic difference.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:05 am

Sin wrote:Well either way if he can go SSJ3 and assuming he still has his tail I wouldn't close the door on SSJ4 just yet.

The Saiyan has to control the Golden Oozaru to transform into SSJ4.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:57 am

Bussani wrote:
Sin wrote:Agreed, his extremely high base power combined with all of his near death experiences are my explanation for his growing power.
But what growing power? Did he really do anything in the second movie he was in to make us think he's a lot stronger than he was in the first? It's been a while since I've seen them, but it doesn't seem like there was a drastic difference.

I think that Gohan was supposed to be a SSJ2 in the second movie. So that would imply that Brolly had to be stronger.

Booney · Post by **Booney** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:18 am

Rocketman wrote:
Sin wrote:Well either way if he can go SSJ3 and assuming he still has his tail I wouldn't close the door on SSJ4 just yet.
The Saiyan has to control the Golden Oozaru to transform into SSJ4.

But doesn't the SSJ3 transformation have some special requirements also?
You know since we only see a zombie and a magical fusion reach that stage.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:37 am

rereboy wrote:I think that Gohan was supposed to be a SSJ2 in the second movie. So that would imply that Brolly had to be stronger.

You might be right, I forget. I thought he didn't use SSJ2 until around the end. And even then, it was the sun who beat him in the first movie he was in, so he could very well have been 'just that strong' back then too.

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:52 pm

I've only got the cut DVD, but if I remember correctly Broly says something like "Power rising. KAKAROT ARGHGHGHARGGHHHAAAAAFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUCKING KAKAROT AAAAAAAARGH"

And then he makes the barrier that shoots all of the ki balls everywhere.

I always just assumed that his power level increased constantly and that he was completely unaware of it, and I always figured he was weakened in movie 8 because he had just broken Paragus's power controller, and was still weakened due to it (thus the greenish tint to his hair in movie 8 and his goldeny-yellow hair in movie 10, as by then it had worn off).

Sin · Post by **Sin** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:58 pm

Bussani wrote:
Sin wrote:Agreed, his extremely high base power combined with all of his near death experiences are my explanation for his growing power.
But what growing power? Did he really do anything in the second movie he was in to make us think he's a lot stronger than he was in the first? It's been a while since I've seen them, but it doesn't seem like there was a drastic difference.

Well we know when Saiyans have a near death experience their power grows by a vast amount, he nearly died at the end of movie 8 causing the power up between the 2 films, that's what I'm trying to say.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:34 pm

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:I've only got the cut DVD, but if I remember correctly Broly says something like "Power rising. KAKAROT ARGHGHGHARGGHHHAAAAAFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUCKING KAKAROT AAAAAAAARGH"

Everyone's power rises in battle. I don't know why someone would assume that he just magically gets infinitely stronger over time from that, rather than to assume he still hadn't brought out his full power (unless it is just because he resembles the Hulk)?

Sin wrote:Well we know when Saiyans have a near death experience their power grows by a vast amount, he nearly died at the end of movie 8 causing the power up between the 2 films, that's what I'm trying to say.

Those kinds of zenkais got kind of phased out after Super Saiyajin was introduced, or at least played down, but I suppose it's possible. I'm just saying, I don't remember anything to suggest he was any stronger at all. He was just obscenely strong compared to everyone in both films. He didn't need to be stronger to be a problem.

Teclo · Post by **Teclo** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:13 am

There was a big argument on 4chan the other day about this. Some people were saying that it's Legendary Super Saiyajin 3, so LSSJ3 rather than plain old SSJ3. I find that really hard to accept, mainly because the whole LSSJ thing seems to ridiculously shoe-horned into DBZ anyway. There were other people saying that Broly's power just rises over time naturally. So he could just sit on his ass all day watching daytime TV and he'd end up incredibly powerful anyway. It's funny how that's become accepted as fact just because he'll get stronger within a single fight, despite it being that case that it's perfectly common in DBZ for people to get stronger as the fight goes on.

In terms of his power in the different movies;
Movie #8: He kicks the shit out of SSJ Goku until, based on a quick check I just did, Trunk & Vegeta lend him their power. Then Goku kills him in one punch.

Movie #10: He fails to seriously wound Videl, regular Gohan (weaker than when he was 11) and two little child Saiyajins. He is eventually killed by Son "He was stronger as a child!" Gohan and Goten. Goku's presence is bizarrely ambiguous, to the point of it actually makes no sense.

Movie #11: Oh god, make it stop.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:07 am

Teclo wrote:There was a big argument on 4chan the other day about this. Some people were saying that it's Legendary Super Saiyajin 3, so LSSJ3 rather than plain old SSJ3. I find that really hard to accept, mainly because the whole LSSJ thing seems to ridiculously shoe-horned into DBZ anyway. There were other people saying that Broly's power just rises over time naturally. So he could just sit on his ass all day watching daytime TV and he'd end up incredibly powerful anyway. It's funny how that's become accepted as fact just because he'll get stronger within a single fight, despite it being that case that it's perfectly common in DBZ for people to get stronger as the fight goes on.

In terms of his power in the different movies;
Movie #8: He kicks the shit out of SSJ Goku until, based on a quick check I just did, Trunk & Vegeta lend him their power. Then Goku kills him in one punch.

Movie #10: He fails to seriously wound Videl, regular Gohan (weaker than when he was 11) and two little child Saiyajins. He is eventually killed by Son "He was stronger as a child!" Gohan and Goten. Goku's presence is bizarrely ambiguous, to the point of it actually makes no sense.

Movie #11: Oh god, make it stop.

Exactly. I see nothing to suggest his power changed at all. It may have, there are reasons it could have, but I see no reason to think it did.

As for 'Legendary' SSJ, I just think of it as a name alone. Yes, Broly's SSJ forms are unique and weird, so calling them 'Legendary' just to distinguish them is fine by me, but it doesn't mean he's 'THE legendary Super Saiyajin'. SSJ itself was the legend. Broly's just a freak.

With that said, I'm fine with LSSJ3 just as I'm fine with LSSJ1. Broly is a freak, after all. It would make sense that his SSJ3 form would be as freakish as his SSJ form.

Sin · Post by **Sin** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:59 am

Teclo wrote:There was a big argument on 4chan the other day about this. Some people were saying that it's Legendary Super Saiyajin 3, so LSSJ3 rather than plain old SSJ3. I find that really hard to accept, mainly because the whole LSSJ thing seems to ridiculously shoe-horned into DBZ anyway.

It's a long shot but when he turns SSJ normally his hair is a golden colour however in his own LSSJ form his hair has a more greenish look to it, whilst in SSJ3 he is shown to have this greenish look so it's entirely possible and might be the case.

Teclo wrote:There were other people saying that Broly's power just rises over time naturally. So he could just sit on his ass all day watching daytime TV and he'd end up incredibly powerful anyway. It's funny how that's become accepted as fact just because he'll get stronger within a single fight, despite it being that case that it's perfectly common in DBZ for people to get stronger as the fight goes on.

It's often been thought Broly is a sort of Mutant Saiyajin and whilst I don't believe his power is literally growing all the time, due to him being as psychotic as he is I believe his power is always raising because he is always destroying things, fighting people and having these near death experiences.

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:43 pm

Bussani wrote:Exactly. I see nothing to suggest his power changed at all. It may have, there are reasons it could have, but I see no reason to think it did.

This!

.:PoetikaL:. · Post by **.:PoetikaL:.** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:26 pm

Gives the idea if Broly could go SSJ4 if turned into a Oozaru.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:33 pm

.:PoetikaL:. wrote:Gives the idea if Broly could go SSJ if turned into a Oozaru.

Did you mean SSj4? If so, that would require him to be able to control himself while a Golden Ozaru.

Which, uh... yeah.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:01 pm

.:PoetikaL:. wrote:Gives the idea if Broly could go SSJ if turned into a Oozaru.

No one would be able to stop him from causng a rampage. LSSJ + 10x the power of Oozaru = green monkey.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:05 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
.:PoetikaL:. wrote:Gives the idea if Broly could go SSJ if turned into a Oozaru.
No one would be able to stop him from causng a rampage. LSSJ + 10x the power of Oozaru = green monkey.

I shall respond with the same thing I do every time someone starts overestimating Broly.

verto · Post by **verto** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:08 pm

Sin wrote: It's a long shot but when he turns SSJ normally his hair is a golden colour however in his own LSSJ form his hair has a more greenish look to it, whilst in SSJ3 he is shown to have this greenish look so it's entirely possible and might be the case.

His hair is always yellow normally, its only greenish because of the control Device his dad had, at the end of the first Broly movie (when Goku threw the final punch) Broly's hair was normal SS hair.