MagicBox is talking about this supposed audience of dub fans that are so hardcore exclusive to that version AND still want the video from the Dragon Box.Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:I'm really not sure exactly what you're saying with this one, Mike. The point just seems kind of disjointed from the conversation.
They're... not, from all that I've seen. The fact that they want nothing to do with it seems to be a major point of interest. Of course, I may be reading this part of your post wrong.VegettoEX wrote:You keep going on and on and on about these "casual" fans... but... if they're so casual, why are they bothering with this?
While I agree that the numbers most likely play out exactly as you described, I must agree with Super Ghost Kamikaze in that I don't exactly see the point you're trying to make. They don't have to choose anymore. They already have all three tracks completely ready to go. I doubt there's a single person on this planet that would choose not to buy the release because all of the tracks are included, so it makes the most sense to include all three. Excluding a track would only hurt sales, I would think.Let me assign some variables...
No point in bothering with a on a financial level from FUNimation's perspective.
But what is the issue cost-wise, really? Funi is already going to do their loud and screamy minute-long ads, I don't see why "THE DRAGON BOX'S POWER WILL BE OVER 9,000, IT WILL BE MINE AND YOURS TOO EARTHLING AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH" with something about three audio tracks? What is infeasible about taking what they already have and dumping it on the sets? I do not pretend to know anything about DVD authoring, but from a purely economic cost/benefit analysis, if they have it done already why not cast a larger net?VegettoEX wrote:MagicBox is talking about this supposed audience of dub fans that are so hardcore exclusive to that version AND still want the video from the Dragon Box.Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:I'm really not sure exactly what you're saying with this one, Mike. The point just seems kind of disjointed from the conversation.
I'm arguing (without any research, what-so-ever, mind you) that such an audience is too insignificant for FUNimation to bother with marketing and catering to.
The thing is, the Dub with original music option always felt like the elephant in the room to me. When it was announced, I just kind of scratched my head and asked "Huh?" It's a bit too little too late, they didn't re-do anything else, the dub is still a disgrace from all other original version fans' metrics, why this and why now?VegettoEX wrote:OK... let's step back and see which element does not fit in with the rest of the package.
Dub with dub music. Yep.
And in that context, I wonder why it's taking so long to get any sort of official word out of FUNimation as to exactly what is going to be included on these discs. You have to imagine they've had this in the planning stages for a few months at the very least. With the release just a little under three months away now, even if they're not completely done with planning content out, if they were able to get a mock-up of the box out for Otakon they must at least have a basic idea in mind as to what the basic content (video track, audio tracks, subtitle track) for the episodes is going to be.VegettoEX wrote:The same conversation is just going on and on and on and on and in circles.
Well hey, I like to think that maybe a rep or two from FUNimation lurk the boards to try and gather some opinions. That's why I hate to see a drawn out argument on their DVD releases, because it'll either confuse them or make them say 'Oh, well I guess they don't want this after all, look how angry it's making these people!' =PVegettoEX wrote:Perhaps they watch these types of conversations and are left scratching their heads, themselves...!
The major reason why this is such a hot issue is because the addition of a third audio track would most certainly tamper with the quality of the video that's already being rather stretched to its limit with the presence of even one dub audio track in there. People don't want to see the video take a hit because of a third track that many people who buy this won't even consider setting to. It would mostly be a thing to throw toward the person that wants to watch it the way it was on television, but the thing is that person either owns the singles or the Season Sets already and is fine with them. Obviously it's not everyone, but the majority of the dub-only fans that want it for the nostalgia don't care about the Dragon Box or even know what it is.Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:What is infeasible about taking what they already have and dumping it on the sets? I do not pretend to know anything about DVD authoring, but from a purely economic cost/benefit analysis, if they have it done already why not cast a larger net?
They have been giving features to an auidence, the Japanese version fans, without advertising and catering to it for a long time now. Why exactly can't Funi give an even cheaper to execute treatment? Where's the cost, here?
This is exactly why I wouldn't bother with a dub music track. If they don't care about the release, no need to cater to them. They can have fun with their missing lines and piss poor video.DemonRin wrote: I tried to explain the footage thing to her, and how the DBoxes were better, but she would hear none of that. it was Fullscreen, it wouldn't fit on her TV.
Well not all dub fans are like this. While I think that's a silly comment I wouldn't generalize the fandom as a whole based off of it.Raki wrote:This is exactly why I wouldn't bother with a dub music track. If they don't care about the release, no need to cater to them. They can have fun with their missing lines and piss poor video.DemonRin wrote: I tried to explain the footage thing to her, and how the DBoxes were better, but she would hear none of that. it was Fullscreen, it wouldn't fit on her TV.
I am impressed you can call yourself a fan of the show when you make a gross statement like that?Raki wrote:This is exactly why I wouldn't bother with a dub music track. If they don't care about the release, no need to cater to them. They can have fun with their missing lines and piss poor video.DemonRin wrote: I tried to explain the footage thing to her, and how the DBoxes were better, but she would hear none of that. it was Fullscreen, it wouldn't fit on her TV.
If a product is bad, it is bad and nothing will change that. I am certain that many fans of the show who were less than happy with their season sets will buy this release simply because its a better product. I know I am. Only a minority would not buy it because they would be the casual fan who bought the series not because of its quality and more because of the economical price which there is nothing wrong with that. It's just that FUNimation did a crappy job with their remastering of the show that is the main point against the season sets. You'll see in the long run.
I do believe he has a point.dragonfist wrote:I am impressed you can call yourself a fan of the show when you make a gross statement like that?Raki wrote:This is exactly why I wouldn't bother with a dub music track. If they don't care about the release, no need to cater to them. They can have fun with their missing lines and piss poor video.
I realize we haven't had any new information about this release... But, c'mon... I can't seriously be the only person who thinks this is redundant. I feel the same way, its just that I cant believe that some people on these boards feel that they're entitled to this release when in fact it is for anybody that wants to buy this release ( a principle of capitalism ). I'll end my comments concerning this topic. I move on.Hao_Kaiser wrote:I do believe he has a point.dragonfist wrote:I am impressed you can call yourself a fan of the show when you make a gross statement like that?Raki wrote:This is exactly why I wouldn't bother with a dub music track. If they don't care about the release, no need to cater to them. They can have fun with their missing lines and piss poor video.
You mention that the "casual" fan is the minority, when that simply isn't true. I'm going to get some flak for saying this, but, most fans of the dub are "casual" fans of the series. I know there are exceptions (members of this board, for example), but dub fans that care about the treatment of the video quality or audio tracks are in short supply.
Also, I'm not trying to be a dick by saying this, but are we seriously debating this again? I feel like we've had this exact same conversation at least four times in this thread - And it's gone exactly the same each time.
I'm a fan of the Dragonball franchise, not Funimation's dub or actions with the the series. Only good thing they have done is present the original version with subs and the Dragonbox release.dragonfist wrote:I am impressed you can call yourself a fan of the show when you make a gross statement like that?
You sir, have just made the best comment about this situation.Raki wrote:I'm a fan of the Dragonball franchise, not Funimation's dub or actions with the the series. Only good thing they have done is present the original version with subs and the Dragonbox release.
Many fans like the ones Rin know are more than happy with their season sets. They aren't buying the Dragonboxes IMO. No matter what you post, they aren't as informed as you are. They don't care about dub quality, picture quality, or anything else. I see them as the most basic form of fan that just wants to enjoy the show. Does the Dragonbox make any difference to them? Hell no. This release is for US, the average forum viewer on AnimeOnDVD, and others who were upset about Funi's release of the show. Again, those who are happy with the widescreen sets won't buy this release. So why cater to them?
Will there be dub fans who buy this set? No doubt. But are they the target audience? Hell no. Funi's already milked them and it's time to hit the other market.
Yeppers, t'is what I just said a little bit aboveHao_Kaiser wrote:Also, I'm not trying to be a dick by saying this, but are we seriously debating this again? I feel like we've had this exact same conversation at least four times in this thread - And it's gone exactly the same each time.
. It isn't that. To me it seems they are thinking our negative response to the dub music track is an attack on them. It's not..:PoetikaL:. wrote:@EX: It's never enough with some people. They'll argue this debate for the sake of where they fall in, and what their word is, is law.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post... But... December is only one month away from the first set's release in November. The second set could still be announced for a January release, right?MagicBox wrote:In an effort to change the subject (although I again apologize if I'm bringing up yet another exhausted topic), we've learned that seasons one and two of DB will be two months apart, but that doesn't seem to be the case with the FUNiBoxes (FUNi's December titles are more or less completely announced). Perhaps they'll keep the window closer to four months because of the higher price for these.
