What AGE is Freeza?

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:34 pm

Comparing Freeza and King Cold's battle powers is a sticky problem...when on their way to stop Freeza, Vegeta stated that there was a second power, one that was even more malicious than Freeza. I'm not sure whether that's meant to be taken as more powerful. And as Chibi pointed out, Gohan tells everyone that what they were sensing from Freeza wasn't his full strength yet.

On the other hand, the anime goes and makes things even more confusing, when King Cold is contemplating Freeza's dissapearence.

Are you saying there is someone even stronger than Freeza, who's famed for having the greatest power in the universe? If there is such a person, than I shall squeeze the life from them with my own hands! (quoted from memory)

So it sounds like he's saying Freeza's the strongest, yet he plans on killing the person who killed Freeza all by himself?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:05 pm

Deus ex Machina wrote: Are you saying there is someone even stronger than Freeza, who's famed for having the greatest power in the universe? If there is such a person, than I shall squeeze the life from them with my own hands! (quoted from memory)

So it sounds like he's saying Freeza's the strongest, yet he plans on killing the person who killed Freeza all by himself?

No, he's saying Frieza was famed to be the strongest, not that he actually was. Maybe King Cold just hasn't actually been out fighting lately, so everybody else thinks Frieza is stronger?

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:12 pm

Ya. I'd say it's more a case of King Cold not fighting for the last few dozen decades so no one's experienced his power, only Freeza's. I mean, after all, why would he get himself dirty fighting when Freeza's never even had to transform to his third form before Namek?

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:38 pm

Deus ex Machina wrote:So it sounds like he's saying Freeza's the strongest, yet he plans on killing the person who killed Freeza all by himself?

Paternal instinct. ^_~

'lo Legends · Post by **'lo Legends** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:40 pm

I've always thought of Freeza as being the strongest because it makes things more interesting. Anyone would "guess" that King Cold is stronger, because he is his father.

The S · Post by **The S** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:53 pm

I've always thought of Freeza as being the strongest because it makes things more interesting. Anyone would "guess" that King Cold is stronger, because he is his father.

But Videl is stronger than Satan.

Ginyu Taiko · Post by **Ginyu Taiko** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:29 am

In the manga, Tenshinhan states:

He [Freeza] is not alone. There is another force [King Cold] which is still more gigantic.

This was from the French manga (rough translation).

I am pretty sure that it was also mentioned in the anime as well.

'lo Legends · Post by **'lo Legends** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:19 am

I mean, generally, when someone guesses who's stronger (out of the son or the father) they usually pick the father.

And using Satan as a comparison really isn't fair. Satan was made out to be weak. Imagine if King Cold couldn't fly, couldn't use Ki efficiently, ect. Then it would be pretty easy to see who is stronger.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:34 pm

Hmm, not really.. He could be more powerful than Freeza but he couldn't quite know how to use his power (of course, that would be almost impossible). Just like Gohan was stronger than Goku but couldn't use his power. And by that, I meant that Cold wouldn't have a "secret power" when he got angry, his power would always surface.

Fuujin · Post by **Fuujin** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:15 pm

I'd say Freeza is more powerful. According to Ten, there was "another force, also powerful", not "more powerful". Also, Freeza calls himself "the strongest in the universe" in the presence of his father, who doesn't seem to mind. Cold only tried to kill Trunks after acquiring his sword, which he thought the secret to Saiyan's power, and not before asking him to join his clan. And besides, I don't he didn't have any other choice, as I'm sure he realised that any attempt to escape would be futile.

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:30 am

I would say that's just Freeza being the annoying spoiled brat that he is. And I would say King Cold was stronger, just because he's the king and all. Although Freeza transformed to become weaker, he still shape-shifted. Umm..and yeah...majin means along the lines of evil one, so I guess demon would be appropriate. Ma means evil and jin is...well...just think of Saiya-jin.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:11 pm

Actually, Ma means Demon

Post by **SaiyaJedi** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:23 pm

alakazam^ wrote:Actually, Ma means Demon

Well, "Demonic," "Magical," and the sort of thing down those lines. But you're right. Not "evil." That'd be "aku" (like the conveniently-named villain of Samurai Jack).

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:08 am

King Kold was only in the second form, so we know he isn't anywhere near as strong as Frieza. If he could have transformed to a higher form, I am sure he would have done it right away after watching Trunks slice up Frieza. The Z warriors could sense each other's true power even if it was supressed. The other power they felt that was larger than Frieza's was TRUNKS. The scouters could not pick it up, (The whole purpose of supressing power) but he could not hide it from the rest.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:40 am

First: There's no evidence that King Cold's even in his second form. He could just be in the adult version of the first form. (He's a LOT bigger than Freeza's 2nd form was too.)

Second: Just because he's not transformed as far as Freeza does not mean he is weaker. SSJ Goku on Namek would have his butt kicked by Cell Games SSJ Goku. It's the same form, the same person, but vastly different powers. Transformations aren't set levels of power, you don't go from A to B. A better example is Cooler, who's 4th Form is weaker than Freeza's. So it's very possible that Cold's first is greater than Freeza's full power.

Third: Ki Suppression makes you undetectable, period. If the scouters can't detect the power than neither can a person's senses. Hence why Gohan and Krillin used it on Namek to hide from Vegeta. Therefore, it WASN'T Trunks they were feeling, but King Cold.

Lastly: Don't Necro-post please.

Fuujin · Post by **Fuujin** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:48 am

Third: Ki Suppression makes you undetectable, period. If the scouters can't detect the power than neither can a person's senses. Hence why Gohan and Krillin used it on Namek to hide from Vegeta. Therefore, it WASN'T Trunks they were feeling, but King Cold.

Um... Not quite.

When a person is fighting, it must release some Ki, that's unavoidable. But he can change so fast that it's undetectable by scouters, although beings that feel Ki are able to pick it up. Just like Vegeta knew what power Goku used while battling Ginyu Force, but GF didn't.

Of course, were talking about Trunks' attack in normal state. Later all Freeza's goons who had scouters were killed, so he probably didn't supress his power anymore.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:37 pm

Fuujin wrote:
Third: Ki Suppression makes you undetectable, period. If the scouters can't detect the power than neither can a person's senses. Hence why Gohan and Krillin used it on Namek to hide from Vegeta. Therefore, it WASN'T Trunks they were feeling, but King Cold.
Um... Not quite.

When a person is fighting, it must release some Ki, that's unavoidable. But he can change so fast that it's undetectable by scouters, although beings that feel Ki are able to pick it up. Just like Vegeta knew what power Goku used while battling Ginyu Force, but GF didn't.

Actually, it didn't seem to me that Vegeta was sensing Goku's power. At this point his senses are still pretty fledgling anyway. I think he was merely going by the fact that Jeice and Burter couldn't touch him. And any changes in power would be picked up by a scouter, that's what they're for.