English Dragon Box Release

[KaiserNeko]

DB and DBGT got properly dubbed openings and endings... Why not do that for DBZ as well with this set to end all sets?

Because Head-Cha-La is a really bad song. DAN DAN might be totally unrelated to GT (unless Goku's drilling Pan), but at least it's a real song. Head Chala is drunken ramblings about dinosaurs and butt-mountains.

And it's fun, entertaining, and cheesy. Yeah, it's not exactly a "real" song like Dan Dan is, but it's been with the series for a long time and is a very rich part of it's history and the core of the show. Writing an English version could be done and it could sound really good if you had the right writer and vocalist.

Hell... ;3 I'm working on one right now.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

Will there be dub fans who buy this set? No doubt. But are they the target audience? Hell no. Funi's already milked them and it's time to hit the other market.

How do you know that the bilingual singles for example were catered for dub fans? And hasn't FUNimation already catered to sub with their old singles for example? I admit where they shot themselves in the foot was with the widescreen and hack remastering.

The bilingual releases were catered to dub fans.

-The dub was the default audio track
-The dub episode titles were used in the episode selection menu
-Dub music was generally used in the menus
-Dub titles and character names were on the back of the box
-Dub names were in all inserts

If you have to go into language options to select the track you want, you simply aren't being "catered to". You're a secondary thought to the main audience of the release.

[Gozar]

MagicBox is talking about this supposed audience of dub fans that are so hardcore exclusive to that version AND still want the video from the Dragon Box.

I find this very insulting. "Supposed"?...MagicBox is hitting the nail right on the head with what he's saying. I consider myself a VERY hardcore DragonBall fan. Yet my preference lies in the FUNimation cast. This is the way I know the characters to sound. While my musical preference has switched over to the Japanese, the Faulconer's Music has a very special place in my heart. I enjoy flipping on one of the intense fights (Goku/Majin Vegeta for example) and putting on the Faulconer Track. This does not make my Fandom any less or on a lower tier than yours Mike.

I'm not trying to sound arrogant here. But I am a very intelligent DragonBall fan. I know my stuff. I'm not some "HAHA!!! OVER 9000!!!" casual Dub fan. I am a DragonBall fan who's preference lies in the version that I knew first. The FUNimation Dub. I care about this franchise and every facet of it. So don't act like an elitist (Yeah, I'm using that word). It's not fair. Random YouTube dip shits shouldn't ruin it for those like me.

[Chuquita]

Writing an English version could be done and it could sound really good if you had the right writer and vocalist.

Hell... ;3 I'm working on one right now.

If you release your English version of Head-Cha-La somewhere, I can't wait to hear it. X3
Really curious to hear what it sounds like in English.

[Freeza.exe]

I don't see why what version of the show you watch defines you as "hardcore". So long as you are knowledgeable of the series I don't see why anything else should matter.

The only flaw in watching the English version would be the plot points the dub has altered or the skewed personalities the dub conveys for certain characters. However if the fan in question knows about the original material and acknowledges the dub isn't 100% accurate I don't see what's stopping him from being "hardcore."

[SonGokuGT]

DB and DBGT got properly dubbed openings and endings... Why not do that for DBZ as well with this set to end all sets?

Because Head-Cha-La is a really bad song. DAN DAN might be totally unrelated to GT (unless Goku's drilling Pan), but at least it's a real song. Head Chala is drunken ramblings about dinosaurs and butt-mountains.

If they made Makafushigi Adventure work, they can do the same for Head-Cha-La.

[Captain Awesome]

I consider myself a VERY hardcore DragonBall fan. Yet my preference lies in the FUNimation cast. This is the way I know the characters to sound. While my musical preference has switched over to the Japanese, the Faulconer's Music has a very special place in my heart. I enjoy flipping on one of the intense fights (Goku/Majin Vegeta for example) and putting on the Faulconer Track. This does not make my Fandom any less or on a lower tier than yours Mike.

No-one even so much as implied you were any less of a fan of the series.

All that was stated was that (from a marketing standpoint) the percentage of the fanbase that want original dub broadcast audio and Dragonbox footage is pretty much non existant. I see no reason FUNimation should pander to an audience that isn't going to buy this release.

Does this leave you out in the cold?, Yeah it does. But we've been standing out in the cold for the last decade, so I suggest you get over it, instead of getting on the defensive.

[ultimateemail5000]

DB and DBGT got properly dubbed openings and endings... Why not do that for DBZ as well with this set to end all sets?

Because Head-Cha-La is a really bad song. DAN DAN might be totally unrelated to GT (unless Goku's drilling Pan), but at least it's a real song. Head Chala is drunken ramblings about dinosaurs and butt-mountains.

Really? You're really going to say that about Cha-la? Okay dude, sorry it's not some sort of cheezy one guitar string solo, DUH-duh-duh-duh-duh, bull shit the whole time. Beucase of your lack of attitude, I really hope Funi just completely bans the Engrish dub score, this goes along with everybody else. You have you're sets with Engrish dub score, I know Mike the admin has been saying "Who the hell has been litterly waiting for Funi to release DBZ in English with Japanese score" you want to know who? Me. That's so, I'm sure I'm not the only one. I love, I mean LOVE, the Japanese dub track, and I semi enjoy the English cast, but the only thing that drove me away from that in 2005-06, was the fact of the very poor music score. Rock the Dragon, kicks ass, agreed, I grew up with that, but Faulcner stepping in, it sucked. I remember being 13, finally after a year of waiting for new DBZ, it finally came, I got a new background music that sucked, and an english cast that made me say "hey these voices aren't the same!" Everybody should know deep down they are going to have the Japanese score with English track, becuase 1, those like me, who waited for it so long got screwed out with it with the relaese of cropped sets, you dubbies who enjoy this poorly orchestrated vomit have had this score on single DVDs, and Season sets, quit bitching. That's all I have to say it, those will fight with it, but seriously, quit bitching.

Audio Track 1 - DBZ Original Japanese Audio

Audio Track 2 - English Dub with original Japanese BCKRND Music

Quit bitching

[Eddie]

To be fair, previous DVDs included the original japanese audio. As a fan of both versions, I always loved that. Sub fans weren't left out in the cold. I completely agree with the decision to make the Sub track the primary track. FFVII: Advent Children Complete did the same thing. You can have whatever opinion you want on the dub or the original. You're entitled to that. Just keep in mind that this is a two way street. I agree that the original BGM is more important. Heck, I own the Complete BGM Collection. However, if it can fit, I think they should also include the american BGM. Keep in mind I said IF it can fit. Dub fans should definitely not whine about the original version finally getting the spotlight. Sub fans need to be able to realize that Funimation hasn't severely abused them for all time. Funi didn't bitch slap you, kick your dog, and set fire to your house. The original was available with very well done subtitles. Debate on this subject is perfectly understandable, but there are people on both sides that are being stubborn. Yes, the original deserves this much respect, dub fans. No, dub fans aren't all dumbasses who got catered to like Hef on a Saturday night, sub fans. Not wanting the american BGM if it causes video problems makes sense. Nor wanting it because you hate it is a wee bit selfish. Can't we all just get along?

[Freeza.exe]

Really? You're really going to say that about Cha-la?

You...do know it's true right? I don't agree it's a bad song but yeah it's really nonsensical and somewhat stupid.

[B]

DB and DBGT got properly dubbed openings and endings... Why not do that for DBZ as well with this set to end all sets?

Because Head-Cha-La is a really bad song. DAN DAN might be totally unrelated to GT (unless Goku's drilling Pan), but at least it's a real song. Head Chala is drunken ramblings about dinosaurs and butt-mountains.

Really? You're really going to say that about Cha-la? Okay dude, sorry it's not some sort of cheezy one guitar string solo, DUH-duh-duh-duh-duh, bull shit the whole time. Beucase of your lack of attitude, I really hope Funi just completely bans the Engrish dub score, this goes along with everybody else. You have you're sets with Engrish dub score, I know Mike the admin has been saying "Who the hell has been litterly waiting for Funi to release DBZ in English with Japanese score" you want to know who? Me. That's so, I'm sure I'm not the only one. I love, I mean LOVE, the Japanese dub track, and I semi enjoy the English cast, but the only thing that drove me away from that in 2005-06, was the fact of the very poor music score. Rock the Dragon, kicks ass, agreed, I grew up with that, but Faulcner stepping in, it sucked. I remember being 13, finally after a year of waiting for new DBZ, it finally came, I got a new background music that sucked, and an english cast that made me say "hey these voices aren't the same!" Everybody should know deep down they are going to have the Japanese score with English track, becuase 1, those like me, who waited for it so long got screwed out with it with the relaese of cropped sets, you dubbies who enjoy this poorly orchestrated vomit have had this score on single DVDs, and Season sets, quit bitching. That's all I have to say it, those will fight with it, but seriously, quit bitching.

Audio Track 1 - DBZ Original Japanese Audio

Audio Track 2 - English Dub with original Japanese BCKRND Music

Quit bitching

Daaaw, this is cute.

1) Rocketman has an opinion; he doesn't like HEAD CHA-LA. Get over it.
2) You assumed he prefers the butcherings of the FUNimation dub based off him deciding not to bust a nut everytime he hears "PAN-O-RAMAAAAAAAA."
3) I don't see what ~85% of your response has to do with anything. It's just you sopaboxing.

[anvil]

I'm not picking a fight with you but I have to say this...

Yet my preference lies in the FUNimation cast. This is the way I know the characters to sound.

Yeah, that's the way you know the characters to sound, but it isn't the way it was supposed to sound isn't it?

This does not make my Fandom any less or on a lower tier than yours Mike.

One likes eating plain bread, the other likes his bread with butter, who do you think truly loves eating bread more?

[Bussani]

ya, thats the way you know the characters to sound, but it isn't the way it was supposed to sound isn't it?

And that affects that he likes them, how?

This does not make my Fandom any less or on a lower tier than yours Mike.

1 likes eating plain bread, the other likes his bread with butter, who do you think truly love eating bread more?

This is a kind of elitist attitude. You're saying someone likes Dragon Ball less than someone else because they like the dub? Oh no, they're not true fans.

[VegettoEX]

Oh no, they're not true fans.

Please, let's not...

I find this very insulting. "Supposed"?

This is just a case of you emotionally responding without understanding what's being said.

All that was stated was that (from a marketing standpoint) the percentage of the fanbase that want original dub broadcast audio and Dragbox footage is pretty much non existent. I see no reason FUNimation should pander to an audience that isn't going to buy this release.

There we go.

[anvil]

ya, thats the way you know the characters to sound, but it isn't the way it was supposed to sound isn't it?

And that affects that he likes them, how?

i was just pointing out that the voice were not it was supposed to be.

This is a kind of elitist attitude. You're saying someone likes Dragon Ball less than someone else because they like the dub? Oh no, they're not true fans.

I never said that, you're putting words into my mouth. I simply used an example and asked a question.

and how was I an "elitist" when I pointed out a fact and asked a question?

You're free to tell me who is more of a bread lover, if you want

[Big Boss]

I see no reason FUNimation should pander to an audience that isn't going to buy this release.

The percentage of the fans who wanted a Japanese release on the DVD's in the height of DBZ's popularity (2000-2003), in the USA, was pretty much non existent. FUNi pandered to them, didn't they? They could've easily not included it, just like the Pioneer releases.

[Captain Awesome]

The percentage of the fans who wanted a Japanese release on the DVD's in the height of DBZ's popularity (2000-2003), in the USA, was pretty much non existent. FUNi pandered to them, didn't they? They could've easily not included it, just like the Pioneer releases.

You've missed the point.

FUNimation weren't pandering, they actually had something to gain by releasing bilingual dvds, they would get that portion of the fanbase they had previously alienated to throw some cash their way.

And honestly you can't compare an infinitesimal sub group like "Faulconer fans that want Dragonbox footage" to fans of the original Japanese version.

[Bussani]

Please, let's not...

Sorry, sorry.. That was a judgment lapse.

You're free to tell me who is more of a bread lover, if you want

No, that's okay. It really doesn't make a difference to the topic itself.

When it comes down to it, Captain Awesome is right. We've known from the start that this product isn't aimed at the dub fans. It's not that there's anything wrong with their preference, it's just that this product specifically isn't for them. It's a shame some people won't be completely happy with the product, but it just shows that you can never please everybody.

I wonder if they could have released two versions of this; one geared to sub fans, the other to dub fans? That way you wouldn't have to worry about compromising the quality, plus you might please more people and get more sales? There's probably a downside I'm not seeing right. Actually, it's probably exactly what Cap Awesome is saying; there's not enough Faulconer fans who would rebuy the series just for Dragonbox quality -- especially if they already bought the season sets.

That's the way the cookie crumbles, as they say.

[anvil]

When it comes down to it, Captain Awesome is right. We've known from the start that this product isn't aimed at the dub fans. It's not that there's anything wrong with their preference, it's just that this product specifically isn't for them. It's a shame some people won't be completely happy with the product, but it just shows that you can never please everybody.

I wonder if they could have released two versions of this; one geared to sub fans, the other to dub fans? That way you wouldn't have to worry about compromising the quality, plus you might please more people and get more sales? There's probably a downside I'm not seeing right. Actually, it's probably exactly what Cap Awesome is saying; there's not enough Faulconer fans who would rebuy the series just for Dragonbox quality -- especially if they already bought the season sets.

That's the way the cookie crumbles, as they say.

well, Funi has never came out and say "NO, there's no Faulconer music for DBOX", so why in the first place are we arguing over this?

Anyway, no matter how much we argue over here, it doesn't affect what Funi gonna do right? So if there's Faulconer music, so good for the dub, no Faulconer music, good for the sub.

Most importantly, we're all fans of a great (maybe the greatest) anime. Why should we be measuring "hardcore", just like you cannot measure love?

and Bussani, NZ is a lovely country, I had great fun over there 3 years ago

[Rory]

Most importantly, we're all fans of a great (maybe the greatest) anime. Why should we be measuring "hardcore", just like you cannot measure love?

Quite possibly the corniest thing I've ever heard on this forum. Peace out.