Cross Hunter: Serious Plagiarism

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Post by rereboy » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:28 pm

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Velasa wrote:Actually, the designs are ridiculous and hideous as far as I'm concerned. It's like an aside in Family Guy.
How can you say that? I mean, it's obvious this guy takes pride for his work, and actually thinks it through! He seemed to take great care for detail in mind when he made this manga, whereas Toriyama just wanted it to be over with.
If he cared so much I think he would want to use his own original work. Not his version of others people work.
Like I said, when you don`t have to think about new action sequences or movements, there`s much more time and dedication left for other things.

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Post by B » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:32 pm

He's joking, dude.
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Post by rereboy » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:33 pm

Well, that would be a relief.

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Post by Metalwario64 » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:49 pm

B wrote:He's joking, dude.
How'd you find out? :lol:
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Post by Sanjiscool » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:49 pm

At first I thought it was homage, but it just got worse as it went on.

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Post by Teclo » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:19 am

Yeah, it wasn't until the 3rd set of black and white panels that I really though "Now there's no doubt". Copying fight scenes in anime and manga isn't all that uncommon, though. Both Naruto and Cowboy Bebop copy the same Bruce Lee fight, though I guess they can wriggle out of that by calling it "a tribute" or some such thing.

Bleach seems to be pretty pathetically going beyond just being inspired by DBZ. Both series established this amazing new form that some may be able to attain (SSJ/Bankai) and then everyone and their father starts using it. After this so-called ultimate form has been around for a while, we're told it isn't really that ultimate after all; ladies and gentlemen, I give you SSJ2 and Ichigo's hollow form. Both forms initially require extreme emotion to summon forth but are soon brought on easily. That's all well and good - these forms get a lot of mileage and it seems like that's it, but after a while we see this 3rd transformation. In this form the character's hair grows long, all down their back. Yep, Ichigo goes SSJ3 pretty much.

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Post by Acid_Reign » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:36 am

If you’re going to rip something off, at least put some effort into making it seem different. I can think of a lot of less popular franchises that capitalized on the success of their more popular counterparts, e.g. Medabots, Monster Rancher, and Dragon Warrior Monsters all emulate Pokémon to some degree, though they each have their own uniqueness to them. But this? This is just shameless.

Curious: Is this a recent publication? Has legal action been brought against them?

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Post by Shoryuken » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:48 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
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kei17 wrote: That site has been already in my first post. And, yeah, even Berserk and SD Gundam were plagiarized as well.
Note that SD Gundam is also a manga in Comic Bom Bom. How dare he stole an idea from the other manga in the same magazine.
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So as you can see the author pretty much stole from a page in a street fighter comic.

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Post by Shoryuken » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:01 am

Teclo wrote:Yeah, it wasn't until the 3rd set of black and white panels that I really though "Now there's no doubt". Copying fight scenes in anime and manga isn't all that uncommon, though. Both Naruto and Cowboy Bebop copy the same Bruce Lee fight, though I guess they can wriggle out of that by calling it "a tribute" or some such thing.

Bleach seems to be pretty pathetically going beyond just being inspired by DBZ. Both series established this amazing new form that some may be able to attain (SSJ/Bankai) and then everyone and their father starts using it. After this so-called ultimate form has been around for a while, we're told it isn't really that ultimate after all; ladies and gentlemen, I give you SSJ2 and Ichigo's hollow form. Both forms initially require extreme emotion to summon forth but are soon brought on easily. That's all well and good - these forms get a lot of mileage and it seems like that's it, but after a while we see this 3rd transformation. In this form the character's hair grows long, all down their back. Yep, Ichigo goes SSJ3 pretty much.
Spoilers Ahoy!!

Ichigo full hollow transformation has long hair that's it since when has Goku grown horns, claws and donning a skull. The similarities between the two transformations stop with the long hair.
Everyone does not start using the bankai only the captains and Ikkaku, Renji and Ichigo. That's it. No more. No less.
Everything else you stated was correct enough.

Spoilers Over!!

It is common for some manga to copy the traits of other series, but not on a grand scale as Cross Hunters does.

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Post by B » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:10 am

Teclo wrote:Bleach seems to be pretty pathetically going beyond just being inspired by DBZ. Both series established this amazing new form that some may be able to attain (SSJ/Bankai) and then everyone and their father starts using it. After this so-called ultimate form has been around for a while, we're told it isn't really that ultimate after all; ladies and gentlemen, I give you SSJ2 and Ichigo's hollow form. Both forms initially require extreme emotion to summon forth but are soon brought on easily. That's all well and good - these forms get a lot of mileage and it seems like that's it, but after a while we see this 3rd transformation. In this form the character's hair grows long, all down their back. Yep, Ichigo goes SSJ3 pretty much.
"Some may be able to attain?" It takes at least 10 years for most Soul Reapers to achieve a Bankai. Over 90% of the characters are over 100 years old.

As for Hollow forms, It was established that Soul Reapers have a set limit of power they can attain before training won't do anything anymore. Soul Reapers and Hollows are both powerful by default, breaking the barrier between them and gaining the other's power was a crucial point to advance the story and actually have Hollows pose an actual threat, since Ichigo wasn't just a kid playing Ghostbusters anymore; he'd beaten the hell out of four lieutenants and two captains.

Not really arguing your claim that Bleach abuses the transformation/power-up trope, just saying you may be overgeneralizing.
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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:33 pm

That's some pretty horrid art. I can't imagine something like that going into an actual publication magazine, it looks like some bad online comic, or a dojin produced with no pride.
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Post by ThegreatPirateKing » Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:27 pm

The art could stand on its own as something kiddish but when compared to the things it copies, it downright fails to shine. The only thing these comparsions have made me want to do is pick Berserk since that looked amazing. Didn't know the manga was so detailed.

I think the one that amazes me the the most is shown on the file page, where it's revealed that this mangaka copied Kuririn's backward jumps on Namek three times. Seriously, that's just downright lazy.

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Post by Xell » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:22 pm

You truly don't realize how great of an artist Toriyama is until an amateur tries to copy his work.

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Post by coinmanmat » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:59 pm

B wrote:
Teclo wrote:Bleach seems to be pretty pathetically going beyond just being inspired by DBZ. Both series established this amazing new form that some may be able to attain (SSJ/Bankai) and then everyone and their father starts using it. After this so-called ultimate form has been around for a while, we're told it isn't really that ultimate after all; ladies and gentlemen, I give you SSJ2 and Ichigo's hollow form. Both forms initially require extreme emotion to summon forth but are soon brought on easily. That's all well and good - these forms get a lot of mileage and it seems like that's it, but after a while we see this 3rd transformation. In this form the character's hair grows long, all down their back. Yep, Ichigo goes SSJ3 pretty much.
"Some may be able to attain?" It takes at least 10 years for most Soul Reapers to achieve a Bankai. Over 90% of the characters are over 100 years old.

As for Hollow forms, It was established that Soul Reapers have a set limit of power they can attain before training won't do anything anymore. Soul Reapers and Hollows are both powerful by default, breaking the barrier between them and gaining the other's power was a crucial point to advance the story and actually have Hollows pose an actual threat, since Ichigo wasn't just a kid playing Ghostbusters anymore; he'd beaten the hell out of four lieutenants and two captains.

Not really arguing your claim that Bleach abuses the transformation/power-up trope, just saying you may be overgeneralizing.
and since when does Bleach have anything to do with Dragon Ball, also if Cross Hunters was published by Shueisha it probably was ok since they own the rights to Dragon Ball, in addition, the artist probably contacted the appropriate personell whether it by Toriyama himself or someone from Shueisha if they could copy some of the artwork. I just don't see something like this going unchecked.

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Post by MCDaveG » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:03 pm

That's damn funny!! I thought it'll be some pic or shot from something and almost whole of the manga is copied :lol: :lol:
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