English Dragon Box Release

[ShinRogafuken]

I think there are two fanbases. If we were all one fanbase we wouldn't be arguing over stuff like this...

Or look at YouTube for heavens sake!

Heh, if you wanna take it to there just read my video comments on the Dragon Box.

"fuk diz gay jpnese shit i'm stickin with remastered"

[dragonfist]

I read a little over half of that and have committed suicide. Before I lose any more blood and pass out, SSVegetto, there are(at least) two fanbases of Dragon Ball in North America, thanks to FUNimation. Those who only like to watch the show in English, and those who only like to watch the show in Japanese. Any other variation(people who prefer the manga, people who like both versions of the anime, etc.) are extreme minorities. Hell, people in North America who only like the Japanese version are a minority.

Again by your over-generalization you admit albeit indirectly how there are two fanbases for every anime here in America. Those who prefer to see the show in their native language and those that, God forbid, watch the Japanese with subs even though doesnt know crap of the language in some cases only because OMAGFLAUXAMAOO JAP/w SUBS I'M SO AWESOME!

The latter group of fans are fools IMO. Dubs should never be dismissed on the basis of them being in English.

I am happy! We agreed on something

[SSVegetto]

Yeah, funimation making up lies before. Yeah they never done that before. *face palms. /me points to Coreyx(majinvegeta) review of funimation's lies about the dbz remastered widescreen. It's a possiblity that they lie. Even if that is their reason to do it. They are still being lazy and not smart. When I myself know how to make something better than they do with all audio options.

But they've never even said anything about a split fanbase, and why would they "lie" about that in the first place? What would they gain from it?

Yes, we are all aware that FUNimation has lied in the past, but you are blowing it waaaaaay out of proportion.

I don't know, to make more money. They want to milk dbz some more? Get people to keep people buying remastered widescreen sets, than have them buy another dragonbox release. And not include that extra audio. So they can switch between shitty video quality. And then furthermore that makes them feel like, none of their past releases were screw ups.

like I said my ultimate goal is this

I have so many dvds of dbz I'm already about to throw up . I want one real , all the audios, all the options release. And that's that. Nothing else.
One good COMPLETE dbz release. Then there is no argument. If that makes me sound insane, or someone said they want to commit suicide because they read what I wrote. Then I'm sorry, I'm must be the craziest person on earth to want one good release.

[nathantheguitarist]

I don't really feel like reading the last 20 pages of so that I've missed (all of which seem to be the same ol' arguing over dubs).

But has any new news come out about the things yet? I already put in my pre-order at rightstuf (with the 40% off). I also ordered some other things with the pre-order which took almost two weeks to process and finally ship. I guess that's how their "economy" shipping works?

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

The latter group of fans are fools IMO. Dubs should never be dismissed on the basis of them being in English.

I don't see why not.

Granted that's not to say a good dub can't exist, but if you're dubbing for mouth movements, you're going to have to compromise aspects of your translation. This is less of a problem in anime, granted, than a live action foreign film, but it's still a consideration.

I watch a lot of foreign films(not just anime, not just Japanese), and in my experience I simply enjoy the subtitled experience more. Granted there's no way for me to say "these subs are bad/good", but watching a foreign product that way keeps you in the mindset that it is a foreign product. More than that, a subtitled track generally is more "conscious" of its foreign nature than a dub is.

I know that by watching it interpreted in english, through subs or an english dub, I'm at least a step removed from the source. But I believe that the subs are only one step off, and a dub is generally at least a step and a half off in comparison.

But has any new news come out about the things yet? I already put in my pre-order at rightstuf (with the 40% off). I also ordered some other things with the pre-order which took almost two weeks to process and finally ship. I guess that's how their "economy" shipping works?

Economy shipping is always pretty slow. They don't give it to you free or cheap for nothing. =p

And no, I don't think we've had any news at all. Other than the Righstuf and Amazon listings and the Rightstuf coupon, there hasn't been any new news since the announcementI(other than Simmons giving some vague hints about translating new material).

[Raki]

I think there are two fanbases. If we were all one fanbase we wouldn't be arguing over stuff like this...

Or look at YouTube for heavens sake!

Heh, if you wanna take it to there just read my video comments on the Dragon Box.

"fuk diz gay jpnese shit i'm stickin with remastered"

Maybe that poster should stick with English instead of Funimation's season sets.

[ssgOverlord]

I don't really feel like reading the last 20 pages of so that I've missed (all of which seem to be the same ol' arguing over dubs).

But has any new news come out about the things yet? I already put in my pre-order at rightstuf (with the 40% off). I also ordered some other things with the pre-order which took almost two weeks to process and finally ship. I guess that's how their "economy" shipping works?

Well, there are times they need to order more from the manufacturer. I myself ordered a volume of the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time manga and the One Piece Color Walk art book along with the Dragonbox. Occording to the order page, the manga was "on hand" while they had to order the art book from Viz. Economy shipping isn't all that bad if it's all on in-stock stuff, so perhaps something had to be ordered like in my situation?

[Kaboom]

Can we please, like... cut the argumentative b.s. down to a minimum, please? The thread's supposed to be about the FuniBoxes, and it's rapidly devolved into another "dub vs sub"/"FUnimation's screw-ups" discussion.

If it were totally up to me, I'd temporarily lock the thread, and yet sticky it, until we get some more major news and open it again. But that's probably still a while off, so I'd rather not. I'm not sure what Mike would think of doing so either.

So please, just... y'know, knock it off?

[Raki]

I think things were okay until SSVeggeto showed up. But hey it is what it is.

[SSVegetto]

I think things were okay until SSVeggeto showed up. But hey it is what it is.

Hey, let's try not play the blame game here and start blaming me. Although, I don't blame you. But you should probably keep that to yourself. And that was kind of rude to mention my name. Kaboom could have mentioned my name, but he didn't

I just was arguing to what they were going to put on the dragonbox. Not to argue which audio is better. But again, I guess that leads to that discussion. people seem to think since I want all 3 audios on the dragonbox, that I'm a dub lover, and they go into an argument on how there are two different types of dbz fans, then they go into how the script isn't accurate. My only main goal is to have more choices to please as many people as possible. And I don't want to argue which audio choice is better.

But anyways, good points have been made by all people that talked with me. So I am toned down now. I am strong opinionated person. So I want to make it clear I don't hate anyone here. And I do understand everyone else's opinion.

[Raki]

I think things were okay until SSVeggeto showed up. But hey it is what it is.

My only main goal is to have more choices to please as many people as possible.

Let's be blunt and straight up. The season sets are out and done. The casual viewer doesn't care about audio choices and will probably listen to the default setting. Most of the casuals out there are dub fans no doubt and have viewed the show via TV. They don't care about the Dragonbox or the video from it. Looking at the price point, are they really going to buy the 1st English Dragonbox or the season sets? You have to factor in the widescreen as well, being as more people are buying those types of TVs.

So at the risk of lower video quality(this is Funimation we are typing about), why put in another audio track. You fit in all the 3 tracks fine but I doubt Funimation can do it given the time constraints. Not to mention the sheer volume of other anime they are doing right now(that Dragonball probably paid for). So if one audio track needs to be cut, it's the dub music track. Not because it's inferior or anything. It's just because the fans of that version have probably already bought the season sets and are very happy with them.

[SSVegetto]

Let's be blunt and straight up. The season sets are out and done. The casual viewer doesn't care about audio choices and will probably listen to the default setting. Most of the casuals out there are dub fans no doubt and have viewed the show via TV. They don't care about the Dragonbox or the video from it. Looking at the price point, are they really going to buy the 1st English Dragonbox or the season sets? You have to factor in the widescreen as well, being as more people are buying those types of TVs.


So at the risk of lower video quality(this is Funimation we are typing about), why put in another audio track. You fit in all the 3 tracks fine but I doubt Funimation can do it given the time constraints. Not to mention the sheer volume of other anime they are doing right now(that Dragonball probably paid for). So if one audio track needs to be cut, it's the dub music track. Not because it's inferior or anything. It's just because the fans of that version have probably already bought the season sets and are very happy with them.

Did you do a survey on this to find out who likes what? I need proof for this. Like I said in my very first post. The x number fans versus the x number fans means nothing to me. Because for one thing we don't have proof. We don't know. We are only guessing what we see from the internet. And actually some of them maybe misinformed and don't know. So you can't say they don't care if they don't even know. Are you saying people prefer quality that is much worse for quality that is much better?

And the dragonbox is not even out yet. so how do they know? Again, you are making a very big assumption here. And I care dude, I'm saying I care. For eps 68+, I want the Bruce Faulconer track, and English with Japanese background track. So I can switch between the music I like. So what about me? We know for a fact what I want. I'm not trying to sound selfish here, but you are guessing what the casual fans want, when we don't have proof. You have proof on what I want though.

I don't see how in the world they would prefer something that's quality is much worse. I don't buy that. They just bought what came out first. If the Dragonbox came out first. They would buy that. So another words, funimation kind of ripped them off, even if they don't know how bad the quality is or if there is something better out there, they advertised it to be the best when it wasn't. And I'm not so selfish to say that only certain dbz fans only deserve different types of quality, no. I'm saying all dbz fans deserve the best quality with the options they want. All of them. All of the ones that live in the United States and this was released for. Two dub tracks and one Japanese track. Because I say everyone from that least release, deserves to be compensated for a better release.

Now for the people like me that were smart enough not to buy those sets. I should pay for it? Because funimation has supposedly pleased the ones with all the audio tracks? So the true fans like me that want all the audio options on the previous can't get it. I'm sorry I'm not happy about this at all. Regardless their reason, their time constraints. Again I'm assuming you are just guessing again, or making excuses? Did you contact Funimation to see how much stress their under? That is assumption number 2.

If there is a risk of quality of the video footage. Then their main concern is to put less episodes on a disc. Not remove an audio. I kind of have repeated that over and over. But people keep saying that for some reason. Very odd.

We don't know if the ones that bought the remastered wide screen are completely satisfied. So you would think by now funimation would learn from their mistake. And at least put all 3 audio track options on there. To have one complete release with the finest quality work they have ever done. Finally, done with complete satisfaction. So why not spend that extra time to do it.

[Innagadadavida]

Let's be blunt and straight up. The season sets are out and done. The casual viewer doesn't care about audio choices and will probably listen to the default setting.

The default setting on the season sets is the Japanese music.

[Raki]

Now for the people like me that were smart enough not to buy those sets. I should pay for it? Because funimation has supposedly pleased the ones with all the audio tracks? So the true fans like me that want all the audio options on the previous can't get it. I'm sorry I'm not happy about this at all. Regardless their reason, their time constraints. Again I'm assuming you are just guessing again, or making excuses? Did you contact Funimation to see how much stress their under? That is assumption number 2.

If there is a risk of quality of the video footage. Then their main concern is to put less episodes on a disc. Not remove an audio. I kind of have repeated that over and over. But people keep saying that for some reason. Very odd.

If you keep up with the news on the R1 anime scene, Funimation has taken on a giant workload over the past year. Funi has acquired over 30 titles from ADV(Sojitz took those titles from ADV), they are doing marketing and distribution for the dead Geneon USA, and not to mention they have gotten other titles on their own. They don't do just Dragonball Z anymore. So yeah, they do have a great workload.

We actually had a thread on here where we asked Funi to increase the disk count.

Let's be blunt and straight up. The season sets are out and done. The casual viewer doesn't care about audio choices and will probably listen to the default setting.

The default setting on the season sets is the Japanese music.

In which they might go: "I don't like this music. It wasn't on TV" and might change it. But yeah, most don't care about audio setups. They just wanna watch the damn show.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

But yeah, most don't care about audio setups. They just wanna watch the damn show.

They care if the language is different. I worked at a video rental store once, and you wouldn't believe the number of times a foreign film was returned or turned down because it was in another language. "Oh, this "Pan's Labyrinth"/"The Orphanage" looks good...", after which I'd have to give the Store Policy Response informing them of its subtitled nature. 9 times out of 10, this would result in the movie going back onto the shelf.

But music? Yeah, I doubt the majority of the dub fanbase cares.

[Kendamu]

But yeah, most don't care about audio setups. They just wanna watch the damn show.

They care if the language is different. I worked at a video rental store once, and you wouldn't believe the number of times a foreign film was returned or turned down because it was in another language. "Oh, this "Pan's Labyrinth"/"The Orphanage" looks good...", after which I'd have to give the Store Policy Response informing them of its subtitled nature. 9 times out of 10, this would result in the movie going back onto the shelf.

But music? Yeah, I doubt the majority of the dub fanbase cares.

My experience with actual rational human beings who watch the dub didn't even notice the music being different on the Season Sets. They didn't even look at the audio options! They just popped it in and played it on the default setting and had a good time.

I wish I was able to have a good time that easily. Englishtenment is a curse when it comes to Dragonball...

...at least until the Dragon Box sets start coming out.

[Gozar]

Yeah, that's the way you know the characters to sound, but it isn't the way it was supposed to sound isn't it?

DragonBall was a Manga first. Like I said before, just like any story it's up for a certain level of personal interpretation. How the characters should sound is one of these.

For example, I prefer Linda Young as my Freeza yet am perfectly comfortable with admitting that Nakao is the better suited voice for Freeza. On the flip side as much as I respect Masako Nozawa, I find her voice in every way shape and form un-suited for any adult male character. You can throw whatever excuses you want at me. She came first. Goku's a hick. I don't care. Grown men do not sound like that. I hate hearing people bash Sabat's Vegeta as cartoony and un-natural sounding when the Japanese version has THAT as their main character. I'll admit, as far as the Japanese version goes, that's how Goku sounds and I enjoy it 100% for what it is. I'd never want her to be replaced. But that doesn't mean it's suiting. Again, Nozawa. Brilliant actress. Love her as the Chibi characters. But that is not how an adult should sound to me.

One likes eating plain bread, the other likes his bread with butter, who do you think truly loves eating bread more?

I retract what I stated before about this Forum becoming less bias towards Dub fans. Same old ignorant attitude here. Liking the Dub cast better doesn't take away from the fact that I enjoy the same storyline as you. Same characters, same storyline. I just view their voices in a different light than you.

This is just a case of you emotionally responding without understanding what's being said.

OK, explain it to me please. If I misunderstood you I'm sorry. But it seems to me that you're claiming that a Dub fan doesn't care about quality simply because they're a Dub fan.

[Metalwario64]

I hate hearing people bash Sabat's Vegeta as cartoony and un-natural sounding when the Japanese version has THAT as their main character.

Agreed, agreed, agreed!

Another point is how Nozawa voices nearly every member of the Son family, and the voice sounds nearly identical for every one(one adult voice, one kid voice)! Then people turn around and bash Sabat's roles for sounding similar.

One argument people have used against the above in Nozawa's favor would be that she uses "different speech mannerisms and patterns" for her different roles... but Sabat does the same thing...

[Gozar]

I hate hearing people bash Sabat's Vegeta as cartoony and un-natural sounding when the Japanese version has THAT as their main character.

Agreed, agreed, agreed!

Another point is how Nozawa voices nearly every member of the Son family, and the voice sounds nearly identical for every one(one adult voice, one kid voice)! Then people turn around and bash Sabat's roles for sounding similar.

Exactly. It's hypocrisy. But it's not the Japanese fans only. The Dub side has just as much. It's just a shame that the DragonBall Fan Base has almost 0 humility. Neither side can just outright admit that something they like isn't the most suiting or maybe lame to an extent but they like it anyway. Let's have a little less pride and a little more humility. Remember, we are fans of a show aimed towards 9-12 year olds here. Not everything in each individual's preferred version is done the best.

[Metalwario64]

It's just a shame that the DragonBall Fan Base has almost 0 humility. Neither side can just outright admit that something they like isn't the most suiting or maybe lame to an extent but they like it anyway.

Hey, I prefer the dub with Japanese music, but I admit that the Japanese version is the original, superior version!

With me, there is a difference between liking something, and something being technically good. I mean, I still enjoy some Super Mario Bros. Super Show now and then, even though I know it is outdated and cheesy.