DBZ just isn't the same...

[Big Boss]

I mean, I could post a similar comment and say; Electronic Music>Old Japanese guy waving his stick around

Old Japanese men waving their sticks around isn't a form of music last time I checked.

Haha, alright I see where you're going with that.

I'll edit...

[Kroni_Hunter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le0rj33ASD0

This says it all

[Freeza.exe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le0rj33ASD0

This says it all

Yes...yes it does.

[Innagadadavida]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le0rj33ASD0

This says it all

That says nothing new. We all know how the dub changes a lot of crap. You can tell that the tone of that scene was changed even if you haven't seen the original. And it sucks. It's terrible. But you don't have to watch it, do you?

You can clearly see that Goku is happy because he sees his chance to get his body back. He wasn't trying to save Vegeta. The tone of that scene is more happy than epic.

[Kroni_Hunter]

I can see i'm gravely outnumbered in this debate.
You can't please everybody I guess. But no one can ever change my mind that that theme is brilliant. And I guess to me, a show about super powered beings fighting for the lives of the universe is kind of epic, and a song with an epic tone fits that much better than the music that would fit the tone of original Dragonball.

[Big Boss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le0rj33ASD0

This says it all

That says nothing new. We all know how the dub changes a lot of crap. You can tell that the tone of that scene was changed even if you haven't seen the original. And it sucks. It's terrible. But you don't have to watch it, do you?

I actually thought that scene was going quite smoothly until I heard infamous Season 3 Schemmel.

[Kroni_Hunter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le0rj33ASD0

This says it all

That says nothing new. We all know how the dub changes a lot of crap. You can tell that the tone of that scene was changed even if you haven't seen the original. And it sucks. It's terrible. But you don't have to watch it, do you?

I actually thought that scene was going quite smoothly until I heard infamous Season 3 Schemmel.

Yeah, I definitely agree with you there. It seemed like those VAs were very inexperienced in the beginning. They did get better though and I actually liked them by the end.

[Godo]

lol, well i like both kinds of music, I play several different instruments actually.

But, do you play instruments you don't like the sound of? Do you listen to all kinds of music? Do you like all kinds of music? Would you think that, say, punk music would fit in a music video where the footage is a beautiful meadow with flowers?

I'm sorry but I just can't take anyone who says
old fat guy slamming on a synthesizer> full blown orchestra for 90% of the score seriously at all.

The dub score puts off the same vibe as a 12 year old trying to act like a "gangsta" it's not intimidating, it's not cool it just looks silly. The only person who would respect that attitude or think it's awesome are other 12 year olds.

Of course that's just my opinion maaaaan.

You could have put your opinion more kindly, though.
And you know that there are grown ups that like that kind of music...to limit the music to the taste of 12 years old is to say that only kids like candy...and that only Americans eat hamburgers. Do you see how silly it gets?

Don't get all sensitive. This whole thread is about disrespecting Falconer's score. So why shouldn't I be able to put in my two cents?

Well, as far as I see, noone disrespects Faulconer's music by saying that they don't enjoy it.

Aside from the OP's, the soundtracks to Death Note and Naruto are anything but "hardcore rock!" Naruto's does have rock elements, beecause it blends so many styles to produce a modern take on traditional music.

Yep. I mentioned that their openings were rock-like. I don't remember that their soundtracks were "hardcore rock!" though.
But then you glide into the heart of the subject: "modern take on traditional music".
For younger generations, Funi's music is more modern than it's Japanese counterpart that was composed in the previous decade.
I am from the generation that enjoyed lots of cartoons with similar soundtrack as heard in Dragonball. So I can tolerate it.
But if you watch the shows for the kids today, they all have more or less modern music, a lot different than the music we heard in my generation.

[Freeza.exe]

You could have put your opinion more kindly, though.
And you know that there are grown ups that like that kind of music...to limit the music to the taste of 12 years old is to say that only kids like candy...and that only Americans eat hamburgers. Do you see how silly it gets?

You sort of missed my point. I was just saying the "HARDCORE RAWCK" vibe Funi gives off isn't even really hardcore rock. It's hardcore rock in the same sense a 12 year old "gangsta" is a Mafia Don.

[Godo]

You could have put your opinion more kindly, though.
And you know that there are grown ups that like that kind of music...to limit the music to the taste of 12 years old is to say that only kids like candy...and that only Americans eat hamburgers. Do you see how silly it gets?

You sort of missed my point. I was just saying the "HARDCORE RAWCK" vibe Funi gives off isn't even really hardcore rock. It's hardcore rock in the same sense a 12 year old "gangsta" is a Mafia Don.

Oh, ok. Missed that. Sorry!
I agree with the fact that Funi's soundtrack isn't that much of Hardcore, and even less Rock music. It sounds more like some kind of alternative electronica music.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le0rj33ASD0

This says it all

Hey man, In some ways I'm on your side. I am actually a fan of both versions but you are going to try to impress people and get them on your side then you are going to have to use something better than Funimation's early work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEEOvhAr-Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlPLgOGs ... re=related

plus this in my opinion really captured Buu's essence(if you will)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfQ_rDOAnG8

It captures the playful side of Buu with that main riff but also has the darker side of Buu when the synthesizer kicks in. I always liked this song when I was younger.

[Super Sonic]

That says nothing new. We all know how the dub changes a lot of crap. You can tell that the tone of that scene was changed even if you haven't seen the original. And it sucks. It's terrible. But you don't have to watch it, do you?

I actually thought that scene was going quite smoothly until I heard infamous Season 3 Schemmel.

Yeah, I definitely agree with you there. It seemed like those VAs were very inexperienced in the beginning. They did get better though and I actually liked them by the end.

That happens in many cartoons actually. Watch the early eps, then watch about 15 eps down the line. Sound quite different.

[caejones]

Ginyu Transformation is epic and awesome when used later on...
... But Ginyu's body swap? Way too much! That's like playing Duel of the Fates at the Sarlak pit in Return of the Jedi... Or like the DBE soundtrack, where every single action scene had the exact same intensity and mood, starting from Goku and Gohan sparring through the end... (I think it changed a bit for the Piccolo fight, but just.).

I've not heard the Japanese version of the Ginyu stuff for comparison's sake, but there is a sense of urgency in that scene that leaves me wondering how well it'd work out...

Oh, while I'm here: the Japanese score for the Kid Buu fight? It was actiony and guitarry and not circus-y... but it didn't really deliver on the drama.
... -_- stop convincing me to buy the Dragon-boxes. . ... wait... those don't have the broadcast score, do they?

[Kroni_Hunter]

Also Vegeta's Theme, it's so much more dramatic

Vegeta Kills Pui Pui English Version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDqXXGUz9p8

Vegeta Kills Pui Pui Japanese Version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opH_YTL6G2I

[Freeza.exe]

It all sounds like badly composed music for an unlicensed NES game to me to be perfectly honest. But that's just my view as I listen to these tracks. It just never shuts up either, Jesus I wonder how long some of these tracks are. The voice acting isn't helping things much either.

[Raki]

Also Vegeta's Theme, it's so much more dramatic

Vegeta Kills Pui Pui English Version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDqXXGUz9p8

Vegeta Kills Pui Pui Japanese Version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opH_YTL6G2I

I really do like the second video with Japanese BGM.

[Kroni_Hunter]

That's cool, I respect that. It's just a comparison neither one is really "better" it's all a matter of opinion. My opinion is that I like the first one, but that doesn't make it a fact. Here's another comparison with a segment that I really liked from the English version.

Goku Transforming into a SSJ for the first time ENGLISH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZW20C-l4Vg

Goku Transforming into a SSJ for the first time JAPANESE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_SfnNnZbMw

Please try to keep in mind we aren't judging the VA, just the track.


EDIT fixed link

[caejones]

Also Vegeta's Theme, it's so much more dramatic

Vegeta Kills Pui Pui English Version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDqXXGUz9p8

Vegeta Kills Pui Pui Japanese Version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opH_YTL6G2I

Hmm. Personally I think both versions suffered a bit here.
Up until PuiPui first goes flying (Ur, at least that's what it sounds like...), the Japanese score feels appropriate.
As soon as the fighting gets serious, Puipui is clearly outclassed and Vegeta plays with his food, the Japanese music sounds rather disconnected with what's going on. It sounds like stock music--which makes sense, since it's a relatively minor scene--but... Meh.

FUNi version... up to PuiPui's first "got sent flying", Vegeta's signature theme has a strange... I dunno, it feels very out of place.
As the scene progressed, I heard the first piano bits from "Super Saiyan Vegeta", to which I was verbally pleading it didn't start said song for so minor a scene. And what do you know, it did...
... I think that this was mono on youtube had two effects in this instance. Ur, and the speakers for this computer seem a bit different in terms of balance from what I'm used to...
But anyway, the music seemed a bit toned down, so it didn't feel like it was the same intensity as usual... but there were places where the mixing would have benefited immensely from use of stereo.

Eh, so buildup, the Japanese score wins, hands down.
The "serious" bit? I think both versions dropped the ball, but the FUNi version was choreographed better (I like how the music synched up with the final blow), so I guess dub gets the edge.

I'm beginning to get the impression that the Kikuchi score struggles more in the Buu saga. What I've heard of the Saiya(ji)n saga seems mostly appropriate...
Which is roughly the opposite of how the dub score works. Note that I'm not including pre-Raditz here.

I wonder, though; both scores kinda went 'meh' to me in these scenes... I wonder if the "different show" thing is constant?
*confused*

[Kroni_Hunter]

It may have been a minor scene, but it did have a significance. It was really the first time we could see the Z fighters fighting against the Freeza saga level warriors. It shows how much the Z fighters have improved and an enemy that would have maybe caused them a lot of trouble before was completely insignificant now. The fact that it was with Vegeta made it even more significant. He spent his whole life following those type of people and trying to become superior to Frieza and his henchman. Here we finally get to see that as a reality.

[caejones]

That's cool, I respect that. It's just a comparison neither one is really "better" it's all a matter of opinion. My opinion is that I like the first one, but that doesn't make it a fact. Here's another comparison with a segment that I really liked from the English version.

Goku Transforming into a SSJ for the first time ENGLISH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZW20C-l4Vg

Goku Transforming into a SSJ for the first time JAPANESE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZW20C-l4Vg

Please try to keep in mind we aren't judging the VA, just the track.

Are those links the same?

I'm pretty sure this computer's audio setup is affecting the balance of the music now. ^_^. Either that, or some changes were made in whatever release this is from...
I think the first minute or so works ok... I think the bass is way misused, though. I normally don't agree with the likes of Neptune_Kai when it comes to the "sounds like video game music" comments (I like video game music, anyway! ), but as I was listening to this I was thinking "That sounds like something off of Duke Nukem 2...".
If I had my keyboard I might try to figure out enough to try and throw together a midi to play with the instrumentation / balance... this song in particular has me perplexed.