Kai Episode 21 (30 August 2009)

[Kendamu]

I disagree. Toei added the blood in DBZ means that it was originally intended for the manga.

Same goes for the Fake Namek stuff, too, right? That's why it's in the "Toriyama cut" of the anime called Dragonball Kai, right?

Who knows what Akira Toriyama intended. He probably just drew a couple of frames at parts of Raditz spitting out blood. And he skipped the next frame which was intended for more blood. Or he made a mistake.

And so Toei fixed this for DBZ by drawing more blood out of Raditz's mouth.

What are you basing this on? When Toriyama's intentions are brought up in such a matter-of-fact way we tend to have some sort of source to go with it.

So If anything how do we know Toei was not fixing a inconsistency that Akira Toriyama made? What they did for DBZ.

Based on a couple other posts of yours that I've read, I certainly hope that you're not some troll. That would be a real shame.

[Metalwario64]

How is addiing more blood "fixing" it? Sure, I like a good, bloody anime fight as much as the next guy, but adding blood certainly isn't "fixing" some sort of error on Toriyama's part. Hardcore violence isn't really his style. The man writes poop jokes, for goodness sakes!

Because that way it's "more uncut"...

[SSVegetto]

Based on a couple other posts of yours that I've read, I certainly hope that you're not some troll. That would be a real shame.

Just because there was more added blood then there was from the manga doesn't entirely mean it makes it inconsistent with the manga. Toei was just censoring "Kai" like crazy, not because they wanted to make it more consistent with the manga, but because they had to tone it down for TV because kids were watching it in the morning.


People at the time were trying to justify Kai with these excuses for the censoring and I didn't buy into it. I was there when I was discussing this with many people from daizex in the irc room also.

And if you have a personal problem with me, you are welcome to contact me in private message or I'll give you my aim. But never try to start something in open public with me, because I state an opinion about Kai. I find that really offensive you call me a possible troll.

How is addiing more blood "fixing" it? Sure, I like a good, bloody anime fight as much as the next guy, but adding blood certainly isn't "fixing" some sort of error on Toriyama's part. Hardcore violence isn't really his style. The man writes poop jokes, for goodness sakes!

Because that way it's "more uncut"...

True, also I don't think Akira Toriyama is perfect either. He can makes mistakes. There probably a reason they added more blood to DBZ. Or maybe not. Anime is full animation, they need to add things.

But I just think that these were one of the things that people just pointed it out for the sake of saying Toei did it for the purpose of making it more closer to the manga. Well, then that begs the question, why did they add more blood in the first place?

I'm just open minded about these things. I'm not close minded. I have a strong suspicion they just did it because they were censoring it like crazy, not because of the manga.

Anyways, I prefer more blood. It is more uncut. Like you said.

[Vino]

Not a big deal, but I assume they didn't fix the inconsistency on the part were Dadori kills the little kid instead of Freeza. Or did they?

Nope



They will most likely do the same and use the same scene like DBZ did.

[Kendamu]

Just because there was more added blood then there was from the manga doesn't entirely mean it makes it inconsistent with the manga. Toei was just censoring "Kai" like crazy, not because they wanted to make it more consistent with the manga, but because they had to tone it down for TV because kids were watching it in the morning.

Like crazy, eh? You're saying that adding a scene of coughing up blood is "fixing Toriyama's mistake." A completely baseless claim. The only censored things so far are some genitals and the result of an impalement. Taking away something that wasn't even in the manga isn't censorship; it's just making it closer to the manga version (which is what they're aiming for).

People at the time were trying to justify Kai with these excuses for the censoring and I didn't buy into it. I was there when I was discussing this with many people from daizex in the irc room also.

You're just getting angry for the sake of getting angry, then? Are you gonna be mad when the Freeza fight is cut down to something more reasonable because they cut out all the "fixes" for "Toriyama's mistakes?"

And if you have a personal problem with me, you are welcome to contact me in private message or I'll give you my aim. But never try to start something in open public with me, because I state an opinion about Kai. I find that really offensive you call me a possible troll.

It isn't a personal problem. It's a problem for the entire board if what I suspect is true and, because of that, it deserves to be stated openly. You remind me of some sort of parody of the stereotype this place has. It first became apparent in your post about the Dragonball Season 1 review. Be offended if you want, but I simply don't trust you yet.

And don't boss me around.

[Amigo Ten]

Taking away something that wasn't even in the manga isn't censorship; it's just making it closer to the manga version (which is what they're aiming for).

But they did censor it, even by the manga's standards. There was no blood, and the wound didn't even look like a hole, just a bruise. You can still see Goku's chest drawn underneath it.

http://i31.tinypic.com/2dkb88n.jpg

It just looks bad.

[SSVegetto]

Look I'm not mad about this. It's only an opinion I have. I never said any of this was facts. I'm just staying open minded about this.

I'm not mad that they cut things out that are filler. That is what they are suppose to do. I just don't like the censoring, even if it is to make it more like the manga. But I have my suspicion even if Akira Toriyama had drew more blood coming out of Raditz's mouth, they still would have censored it down. That's a suspicion.

Again, I'm not angry with you, I'm not angry with Toei. There is no anger. In fact DBZ is over. Not many people seem to like Kai anyways. It's just an opinion.

I'm not trying to boss you around, it's only a suggestion that you contact me in private if you wish. I don't want to boss you around I don't even care what you do, go ahead try to start shit with me some more, I will just ignore you from now on.

Don't trust me? If you ask me you are taking the internet way too seriously if you think a harmless stranger like me is a problem. There are more important things to worry about outside of the internet.

And I also could say that is completely baseless claim on your part say about me. I'm trying to be a nice person on this forum. I just don't get it. Oh well. If I have a radical opinion and it offends someone's greatest joy in life that they need to protect called "Dragonball" it's bound to worry someone.

Obsession with a fictional Anime over someone's opinion is just kind of pathetic , over fighting over someone's opinion on the internet . If you ask me, you are the one that seems angry and worried over some random stranger's trivial opinion on the internet. It's okay to discuss opinions but you are actually obviously pissed off and saying I'm wrong.

Taking away something that wasn't even in the manga isn't censorship; it's just making it closer to the manga version (which is what they're aiming for).

But they did censor it, even by the manga's standards. There was no blood, and the wound didn't even look like a hole, just a bruise. You can still see Goku's chest drawn underneath it.

http://i31.tinypic.com/2dkb88n.jpg

It just looks bad.

Actually, that does prove my point. Not about Raditz spitting out blood. But clearly they censored it, by shading it and making it look grey (making it look like just a bruise). And in Akira Toriyama's drawing there is no shading, and the hole is obviously completely bloody. And so I say even if Akira Toriyama did drew more blood with Raditz spitting it out. Then they would have censored it anyways, regardless if they were trying to keep it more like the manga.

And wow, I base my opinion on this. And people go nutz. Well, I should say that one person. Oh well, I'll just ignore him from now on.

[Kendamu]

But we're talking about him spitting up blood, not anything else. Don't use something different than your point to prove your point. It simply doesn't make sense. That's like me giving you a cheeseburger to prove that apples taste good.

[VegettoEX]

But we're talking about him spitting up blood, not anything else. Don't use something different than your point to prove your point. It simply doesn't make sense. That's like me giving you a cheeseburger to prove that apples taste good.

I'm with Kendamu on a lot of these points.

SSVegetto, you're certainly typing words, and while the grammar isn't perfect, these words individually make sense. I try to read your posts as a whole, though... and it just seems like random babble. I can't figure it out. I don't even know how Kendamu has managed to respond to you as much as he has.

You're trying to talk about one thing, but then jump over to this, then say you're just defending yourself, then start attacking people, then say you're doing this and that... it's completely incomprehensible, and when you combine it with your crazy scenarios from over in that DB Season One thread, surely you can understand how someone would be concerned about whether or not you're just some troll out for the lulz.

Furthermore, don't you dare hide behind the "Oh, if you're taking this so seriously then you have problems; I'm just a nice guy!" argument just so you don't have to defend your statements and opinions when challenged on them. That's what message boards are for, and if you're only interested in one-way tirades without engaging in a discussion, please do not bother posting here.

[SSVegetto]

But we're talking about him spitting up blood, not anything else. Don't use something different than your point to prove your point. It simply doesn't make sense. That's like me giving you a cheeseburger to prove that apples taste good.

I'm with Kendamu on a lot of these points.

SSVegetto, you're certainly typing words, and while the grammar isn't perfect, these words individually make sense. I try to read your posts as a whole, though... and it just seems like random babble. I can't figure it out. I don't even know how Kendamu has managed to respond to you as much as he has.

You're trying to talk about one thing, but then jump over to this, then say you're just defending yourself, then start attacking people, then say you're doing this and that... it's completely incomprehensible, and when you combine it with your crazy scenarios from over in that DB Season One thread, surely you can understand how someone would be concerned about whether or not you're just some troll out for the lulz.

Furthermore, don't you dare hide behind the "Oh, if you're taking this so seriously then you have problems; I'm just a nice guy!" argument just so you don't have to defend your statements and opinions when challenged on them. That's what message boards are for, and if you're only interested in one-way tirades without engaging in a discussion, please do not bother posting here.

I dont mind Kendamu cared to challenge my opinions. But what bothered me is he called me a possible troll and brought up off topic stuff such as the "DB 1 season thread" what was so bad about that "DB 1 season thread anyways?" I just said I didn't like the review because it didn't have comparisons but when someone brought up the comparisons, everything then became fine, and I saw what Godofchaos was talking about.

I try to look at things with a bigger picture. I'm saying if Akira Toriyama did drew more blood, I'm saying it would have been censored anyways. They censored blood in more than one area. And no hole in Goku's six pack. I don't understand why you cant understand that is only what I'm trying to say. Or how that even relates to babbling.

VegettoEX, I seriously don't understand why you blame me for tirades, when the guy did more than challenge an opinion , he threw an insult my way calling me a " possible troll" now a troll is someone that says something flammatory to get people's reactions. And I find that offensive that someone would think that I just posted my opinions to make people angry.

If the word "troll" didn't come up. I wouldn't had a problem with him. I do not wish to engage in one man tirades. In fact, that is why I suggested that he should probably private message me. Then he got pissy about that. Calling someone a possible "troll" is bound to lead into one man tirades. But as I said I'm done with him. We already discussed our opinions. And any further discussion would just lead to repeating our same opinions over and over.

Anyways, for the good of the forum I will further ignore any flammatory comments that are directed towards me. It just causes stress.

And yes I do think that if the reason why he is calling me a "possible troll" is because he thinks my opinions are so way off based that I'm only doing it to possibly make him angry. Then yes I do think he is taking what I say way too seriously.

I'm not saying that statement so I don't have to defend my statements or opinions. I'm saying that statement because he called me a possible troll.

[Metalwario64]

But what bothered me is he called me a troll

Uhh... no, not quite...

I'm saying that statement because he called me a possible troll.

You even said so yourself...

[SSVegetto]

Alright, I'm very sorry. I was out of line. I should try to get along with people better. I was very harsh in that Dragonball Season 1 thread that godofchaos made. I'm sorry about that. Thanks for calling me out on that one, Kendamu, and VegettoEX. You are right Kendamu, I deserved to be called out publicly because I made the statements publicly.

It does seem like a possible troll. And for that I apologize.

And about that scene were Raditz was coughing up blood , I was wrong to say Toei fixed this in DBZ to fix Toriyama's mistakes. Toei probably just cut down on the blood in that specific scene to make it more like the manga. The Kai anime did state it was suppose to be more like Akira Toriyama's manga. And I was being very ignorant to say otherwise.

And I apologize that my opinions aren't making any sense and it looks like babble. I'll try harder next time to make them not look like crap.

[Kendamu]

It's cool. You just seemed kinda suspicious. I don't mean it as an insult and what I actually said was that I hope that you're not a troll. I don't like trolls and if I'm wrong in my suspicions it just means that things'll be a lot less dramatic and stupid stuff around these parts.

So, don't take it personally. Don't argue my suspicions. Just prove me wrong by not being a troll (should be easy if you're not a troll) and we'll all get along just fine... even if we do disagree on certain things.

[Vino]

So they censor the shit out of Raditz's death but they keep the heart rip...

[Kendamu]

So they censor the shit out of Raditz's death but they keep the heart rip...

I figure that there was enough of a backlash from the censorship that they're censoring much less now.

[Jurik]

In KAI, they didn't correct some mistakes like these:

On episode 20 or 21, I don't remember:


And this during the battle with Nappa...

[kenisu3000]

Is it just me, or does it seem like, in both Kai and Z (though more so in Z), when Muri speaks "Namekkian" to try and throw Freeza off, it sounds like Japanese played backwards?

[alakazam^]

Is it just me, or does it seem like, in both Kai and Z (though more so in Z), when Muri speaks "Namekkian" to try and throw Freeza off, it sounds like Japanese played backwards?

I think when Piccolo and Kami were speaking "Namekkian" during the Tenkaichi Budoukai, it was backwards Japanese. I'm not so sure about Muuri, though.

[Son Wukong]

Is it just me, or does it seem like, in both Kai and Z (though more so in Z), when Muri speaks "Namekkian" to try and throw Freeza off, it sounds like Japanese played backwards?

I think when Piccolo and Kami were speaking "Namekkian" during the Tenkaichi Budoukai, it was backwards Japanese. I'm not so sure about Muuri, though.

The background went green and some hieroglyphs started to show up on the screen to let the viewer know they were speaking some odd language amongst themselves but you actually hear Japanese.

As for Muri, I'd say it's gibberish but can't say for sure.

[alakazam^]

The background went green and some hieroglyphs started to show up on the screen to let the viewer know they were speaking some odd language amongst themselves but you actually hear Japanese.

You hear the characters speak what would be the backwards Japanese and at roughly the same time over their voices you hear the actual Japanese sentence.