Humans in the story

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:49 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:The minute you suggest the humans use Kaioken, Rocketman comes prancing in to take a dump on you.

Like Kaboom said, the god who invented the move couldn't use it.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:49 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Not even King Kai himself could master the Kaio-Ken. Goku's the only one in the story to have successfully done so.

Thanks.

Kaio was weaker than Nappa.

I don`t see any reason to why Tenshinhan couldn`t have learned it if he was the one who stayed the longest with Kaio. Piccolo was the one who stayed the shortest (it was only a few days) so it is understandable that he didn`t have time to learn it.

Rocketman wrote: Like Kaboom said, the god who invented the move couldn't use it.

A god whose fighting skills are weaker than Nappa`s (who is below a 8000 power level) despite having centuries to train.

I think its safe to assume that kaio`s fighting potential is not that good or as high as the sayans or the humans fighters who visited him.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:51 pm

Did they ever SAY king kai couldnt use it?

If they ever DID add him in the game I would assume his moves would be

small kaioken
some sort of little spirit bomb
then a rush with bubbles n gregory with the mallet.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:51 pm

Yes, but Saiyan bodies are strronger than human ones, eventually they're going to crash, not to mention they couldn't possibly use a x50 times Kaiô-ken quickly.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:54 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:Did they ever SAY king kai couldnt use it?

He said it himself in the manga while talking to himself about Goku. From Viz's translation:

"He quickly overcame this planet's gravity... He really is as great as I'd hoped... And still 118 days remaining! He may be the one who can master the Kaio-Ken! The Kaio-Ken that I have yearned of, but could never master myself! Oh, for that final attack!"

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:56 pm

There goes that theory, but I'm sure if he WAS in a game, theyd add something silly like that.

But Humans couldnt handle x10 gavity for long, so kaioken is out of the question.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:02 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Yes, but Saiyan bodies are strronger than human ones, eventually they're going to crash, not to mention they couldn't possibly use a x50 times Kaiô-ken quickly.

This is not about having the humans fighters keep up with the sayans. That would be impossible.

This is only about the human fighters having a little more light to shine.

Out of all the humans fighters, Tenshinhan would be the best to do so because krillin already had many chances to shine and all he really wanted was a girlfriend, and Yamcha and Chaotzu just aren`t as motivated or talented.

That being said, giving Tenshihan the Kaioken or even a Shin Kaioken would make him closer to the sayans and Piccolo but he wouldn`t ever surpass them. Even with a kaioken x50, Tenshinhan wouldn`t be able to deal with the androids and he would be totally out classed by Piccolo fusing with Kami and by USSJ and SSJ 2.

It would just make him more relevant and it would be just more cool having him do more stuff.

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:02 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Not even King Kai himself could master the Kaio-Ken. Goku's the only one in the story to have successfully done so.

Thanks.

King Kai is a weakling.

LeprikanGT wrote:There goes that theory, but I'm sure if he WAS in a game, theyd add something silly like that.

But Humans couldnt handle x10 gavity for long, so kaioken is out of the question.

King Kai's planet has x10 gravity...

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:08 pm

I know, thats why I used that reference. I dont count Tien and Yamcha as regular humans.

Fighter jets and such can go like 8Gs right? And people cant handle that for too long. It seems like your heart wouldnt be able to pump blood through your body correctly.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:08 pm

rereboy wrote:having him do more stuff.

Like what?

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:11 pm

They should have made Krillin/Yamcha/Tien get stronger as well...instead of making the show DragonBall-saiyans-fight-bad-guys-Z

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:15 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:They should have made Krillin/Yamcha/Tenshinhan get stronger as well...instead of making the show DragonBall-saiyans-fight-bad-guys-Z

Dragonball was ALWAYS Saiyan-fights-bad-guys.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:17 pm

Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien did loads during the Saiyan Saga and during DragonBall. But in Z they left them behind. With Super Saiyan and Piccolo fusing back with Kami, they left them in the dust....aside from Tien vs Cell.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:46 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:Krillin, Yamcha, and Tenshinhan did loads during the Saiyan Saga and during DragonBall.

Like what? Being utterly outclassed all the time by Goku? Failing utterly whenever the fight wasn't bound by the rules of a tournament (and sometimes even then)?

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:53 pm

Rocketman wrote:
LeprikanGT wrote:Krillin, Yamcha, and Tenshinhan did loads during the Saiyan Saga and during DragonBall.
Like what? Being utterly outclassed all the time by Goku? Failing utterly whenever the fight wasn't bound by the rules of a tournament (and sometimes even then)?

At least they did something. In the late series that is the role of Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, etc.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:25 pm

Rocketman wrote:
rereboy wrote:having him do more stuff.
Like what?

More interesting fights with some villains like the androids. He would last longer and would use more techniques. He wouldn`t win but he would shine a little more, which is all that is being talked.

LeprikanGT wrote:They should have made Krillin/Yamcha/Tenshinhan get stronger as well...instead of making the show DragonBall-saiyans-fight-bad-guys-Z

Yamcha was always a "weakling" compared to everybody else (at the same point in time). He hardly ever won a fight in all Dragon Ball. If you think about it, it seems that his job is to always lose. I can only think of a fight that he won. The one against the invisible man. And he had help. I think he lost every other canon battle he was into (except the qualifications matches for the tournaments).

Chaotzu is even more of a weakling than Yamcha and despite having strange powers, his sole purpose seemed to be to keep Tenshinhan company so that he wouldn`t be a lone warrior.

I don`t see these two deserving to keep up at any level with the main cast because story-wise they were never meant to have that importance.

The true human warriors who show the most potential are krillin and Tenshinhan.

Krillin had many chances to shine in Dragon Ball and he is shown to have great potential and to be a big deal story wise. However, he is shown several times to lack the true determination to always improve himself and what he really wants is to settle down with a girlfriend. Which he does, after having many moments to shine.

Tenshinhan however, does have that determination to always improve himself and be stronger much like the sayans. And especially after the sayan saga he doesn`t have many moments to shine. He would be the ideal candidate to receive a power boost like kaioken or Shin kaioken, and give him a few more chances to shine, like making his fights more interesting since he`s stronger and with more techniques.

Thats pretty much the only thing I would change regarding the power of the human fighters.

beast mode · Post by **beast mode** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:02 pm

Well, Kuririn doesn't need any extra power since he is an important character regardless of strength during all of the "Z" arc until Buu, and even then I thought he got a good "ending" for his uh fighting career.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:31 am

I use to read Dragonball, pre-Dragonball Z whenever I want to see humans kick ass.
And I like Dragonball Z because of the half Saiya-jins.

B · Post by B » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:15 am

The humans had a good long run in which we got to know them and like them. Sure, Toriyama could have written the story where they weren't suddenly outclassed, but he didn't. And despite your complaints, I'm fairly certain most of you have bought or are going to buy Dragon Ball Z anyway.

Freeza.exe · Post by **Freeza.exe** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:18 am

B wrote:The humans had a good long run in which we got to know them and like them. Sure, Toriyama could have written the story where they weren't suddenly outclassed, but he didn't. And despite your complaints, I'm fairly certain most of you have bought or are going to buy Dragon Ball Z anyway.

I just don't see in what universe a whole series and and 2 sagas in the sequel series isn't doing the human characters justice. There's literally only two sagas which focus on the Saiyans as the main protagonists.