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Post by Rory » Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:43 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:For some reason, I have a feeling that they're gonna do a full Season 3 redub for these sets. I don't why, I just do.
I twittered Schemmel about it, he seemed quite reluctant to reveal any details, but he did say "I don't have any control over FUNimation's decisions, sorry..."
Which doesn't sound too good.
Ultimate DBZ wrote:What do guys want FUNi to do? Hire all new Voice Actors that sound more like the Japanese Version, make all new scrips for all 291 episodes of DBZ to be more procise to the Japanese version, yet still blend it in to the mouth moving, and have just as many features as the Japanese DBOX, even though there were only 2 Japanese DBOXs and 7 U.S. DBOXs?
Fuck yeah.

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Post by laserkid » Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:46 pm

Ultimate DBZ wrote:What do guys want FUNi to do? Hire all new Voice Actors that sound more like the Japanese Version, make all new scrips for all 291 episodes of DBZ to be more procise to the Japanese version, yet still blend it in to the mouth moving, and have just as many features as the Japanese DBOX, even though there were only 2 Japanese DBOXs and 7 U.S. DBOXs? Come on Guys, be logical.
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They pulled it off with FMA, why not DBZ? Not enough evidence?

Try Yuyu Hakusho, Samurai 7, Tenchu Muyo Rhyo Ohki, One Peice, or Solty Rei.

FUNimation is more then capable of making a well cast, accurate dub, putting it on DVD with good quality and some extras. I agree that asking FUNimation to redub the entire show isn't likely to be granted, but saying that asking them to have done a good dub in the first place is too much to ask is just plain foolishness.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:49 pm

While the dialogue isn't always...accurate, the FUNimation cast has played their characters for ten years. To quote Mike from the UUE feature:
They certainly have their own insight into the characters, their personas, their motivations, etc. You may or may not agree with what they say, but if nothing else, it's fantastic to see two actors so in love with the characters they portray to some amount of fandom.
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Post by Rory » Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:49 pm

laserkid wrote:
They pulled it off with FMA, why not DBZ? Not enough evidence?

Try Yuyu Hakusho, Samurai 7, Tenchu Muyo Rhyo Ohki, One Peice, or Solty Rei.

FUNimation is more then capable of making a well cast, accurate dub, putting it on DVD with good quality and some extras. I agree that asking FUNimation to redub the entire show isn't likely to be granted, but saying that asking them to have done a good dub in the first place is too much to ask is just plain foolishness.
This, pretty much. God I fucking love the FMA dub.

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Post by penguintruth » Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:49 pm

laserkid wrote:They pulled it off with FMA, why not DBZ?
No they didn't. The FMA dub was mediocre at best.

Still better than DBZ's, though.

You know, I'm probably too hard to please, though. My perfect dub would have most of the Ocean cast, like Peter Kelamis, Scott McNeil, Terry Klassen, Brian Drummond, and Saffron Henderson, but better supporting cast, uncut, better scripting, and the original Japanese music.

So, like the Ocean dub of the first three movies, but with some better support cast.

At this point in my life, I realize I'm never going to get an English dub of DBZ that I'll like. With the Japanese version being so great as it is, I'll just watch that.
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Post by Saiyaman Prime » Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:49 pm

Ultimate DBZ wrote: make all new scrips for all 291 episodes of DBZ
I'd be happy with just this part.

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Post by Rory » Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:52 pm

Saiyaman Prime wrote:
Ultimate DBZ wrote: make all new scrips for all 291 episodes of DBZ
I'd be happy with just this part.
This, and the removal of Linda Young! That'd make for a brilliant dub, with the voice cast as seasoned as they are! :)

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Post by RoarkVegeta » Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:53 pm

Rory wrote:
Saiyaman Prime wrote:
Ultimate DBZ wrote: make all new scrips for all 291 episodes of DBZ
I'd be happy with just this part.
This, and the removal of Linda Young! That'd make for a brilliant dub, with the voice cast as seasoned as they are! :)
I want Nakao in Engrish. =D

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Post by Rory » Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:54 pm

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Rory wrote:
Saiyaman Prime wrote: I'd be happy with just this part.
This, and the removal of Linda Young! That'd make for a brilliant dub, with the voice cast as seasoned as they are! :)
I want Nakao in Engrish. =D
Ok, let's not get ahead of ourselves now. :P

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Post by laserkid » Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:55 pm

penguintruth wrote: No they didn't. The FMA dub was mediocre at best.
You have officially lost any credibility I had given you before.

Fullmetal Alchemist's dub is widely considered to be fantastic. If you preffer the Japanese track thats one thing, but to say the dub is mediocre at best is ignoring the script accuracy and good casting of the show.
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Post by penguintruth » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:01 pm

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penguintruth wrote: No they didn't. The FMA dub was mediocre at best.
You have officially lost any credibility I had given you before.

Fullmetal Alchemist's dub is widely considered to be fantastic. If you preffer the Japanese track thats one thing, but to say the dub is mediocre at best is ignoring the script accuracy and good casting of the show.
Brittany Spears is widely considered a good singer, too, that doesn't make her one.

I felt that the FMA dub was a mixed bag.

As for "script accuracy", there were script changes and added lines that were just awful.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:08 pm

laserkid wrote:
penguintruth wrote: No they didn't. The FMA dub was mediocre at best.
You have officially lost any credibility I had given you before.

Fullmetal Alchemist's dub is widely considered to be fantastic. If you preffer the Japanese track thats one thing, but to say the dub is mediocre at best is ignoring the script accuracy and good casting of the show.
Don't let him get to you. It seems he dislikes every dub that has gotten wide spread praise, like Death Note, if his posts on ANN's forums are an indicator.
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Post by laserkid » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:09 pm

So because YOU don't like the dub, that means it's a terrible dub. :roll:

But this isn't a FMA board so I'll simply say we're going to disagree at this one until the cows come home. I'll point out that I listed several other shows besides FMA as well. FUNimation is more then capable of making a good dub. I repeat that it's not impossible for them to both make a good dub, have good audio quality, and have extras.

My point is that reasoning that it's asking too much to want FUNimation to have a good dub is too much just makes you looks silly. If you were arguing with people who were actively screaming that FUNimation should redub the series you'd actually have a point, but unless I've completely misread you that's not what you're saying.
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Post by penguintruth » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:11 pm

Super Saiyan Prime wrote:
laserkid wrote:
penguintruth wrote: No they didn't. The FMA dub was mediocre at best.
You have officially lost any credibility I had given you before.

Fullmetal Alchemist's dub is widely considered to be fantastic. If you preffer the Japanese track thats one thing, but to say the dub is mediocre at best is ignoring the script accuracy and good casting of the show.
Don't let him get to you. It seems he dislikes every dub that has gotten wide spread praise, like Death Note, if his posts on ANN's forums are an indicator.
Actually, I have praised Death Note's dub on ANN. It's one of my favorite dubs of all time.

In fact, I like many dubs. Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Moribito, Yu Yu Hakusho, FLCL, and so on.

I just don't like FMA's. It's the only real popular dub I disagree on.

But, as this is about DBZ, I would admit FMA's dub is much, much better than DBZ's ever gottten.

And as I also said, at this point in my life, I doubt I'll ever be satisfied with a DBZ dub.
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Post by SSVegetto » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:13 pm

You guys are forgetting something. All the people that want these supposed video extras on the dragon box? Well, guess what, remember there is only 6 discs packed with 7 episodes on each disc. They barely have any room to be putting any extras on there whatsoever. So don't expect there to be some cool interview on there.

Books, action figures, toys, or what not (A bunch of shit if you ask me, except the book). Yeah , that is a possibility. But I don't see any room for any video extras on the first Dragonbox set.

And you also have to remember, we need the 3 audios on there. So there is no way they are going to have room for the extras. This is more important than some interviews and trailers.

And guess what, Why is it so important to have the English dub redubbed? The voices themselves are great except a few(At least this is what most people's opinion are on the subject about the voices themselves on the dub).

The only complaint you guys have is that it isn't accurate towards the original Japanese script. Well, if you already seen the Japanese version. This shouldn't be a problem for you to watch the English dub. Good gosh, quit being so selfish and greedy. That is insane to want Funimation to go and redub this. INSANITY! But what isn't insane, is to have all the 3 audio features. That they better do!
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Post by penguintruth » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:18 pm

I wonder if there's any chance of getting these extras on an "extras disc" in each set that just has the extras alloted to that volume.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Post by SSVegetto » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:23 pm

penguintruth wrote:I wonder if there's any chance of getting these extras on an "extras disc" in each set that just has the extras alloted to that volume.
Well, it is only going to make your head hurt. Just speculating and speculating. I can only suggest we just stop posting for a while and wait. But if you want you can continue to speculate. I don't see the point. It's up to you.

I'm going to try and focus on something else. They already said the set was 6 discs. 7 eps, there is just no room. Why are video extras so important? We are finally getting full screen DBZ episodes, which is important. There are tons of extras on a bunch of other dbz dvds. There already has been interviews with voice actors and stuff. What good is another one going to do you?

Most extras are just annoying advertisements.
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Post by laserkid » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:25 pm

SSVegetto wrote:if you already seen the Japanese version. This shouldn't be a problem for you to watch the English dub. Good gosh, quit being so selfish and greedy. That is insane to want Funimation to go and redub this. INSANITY! But what isn't insane, is to have all the 3 audio features. That they better do!
1) NO ONE has said it should be redubbed. Reading comprehension fail.

2) What has been argued is the possibility that FUNimation is capable of doing a good dub or not.

3) Saying that because someone has seen the Japanese original means dub cuts don't matter is nonsensical. Some of us would like to see an uncut english version because we like dubs, just not when they're done poorly. Would you take a balogna sandwhich over a steak because you've eaten a steak before? I think not.
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Post by LeprikanGT » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:26 pm

@Vegetto - Why dont you like the scouters and the dioramas?

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Post by Kendamu » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:27 pm

SSVegetto wrote:The only complaint you guys have is that it isn't accurate towards the original Japanese script. Well, if you already seen the Japanese version. This shouldn't be a problem for you to watch the English dub. Good gosh, quit being so selfish and greedy. That is insane to want Funimation to go and redub this. INSANITY! But what isn't insane, is to have all the 3 audio features. That they better do!
Why is it insane to want a re-dub? They've pretty well already done the impossible by having a US DBox release.

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