Immortality Thoughts

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:40 pm

Endishiki wrote:His new avatar is done by the same person who did the Bra avatar before.

That doesn't help him very much. XD

But of course, since those two getting their wish never appeared in the manga.. one could speculate wether or not that's DB canon.

Super Saiyan Knuckles · Post by **Super Saiyan Knuckles** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:15 pm

LaRésistance wrote:I only want to point out that Garlic Jr isn't the only villain who gets his wish granted. Dr Willow (I don't know his name in the American dub) in movie 3 does as well.

Oh... I never saw Movie 2. (I know that's what you mean, because 3 is "The Tree of Might")

'lo Legends · Post by **'lo Legends** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:39 pm

I always thought wishing for imortallity would make you invenerable to death even if someone tried to kill you. Why else would Vegeta want to wish for Imortallity on Namek? So he could go up to Freeza and get killed?

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:32 am

Perhaps Vegeta's perception of immortality was invincibility. I think that's what the villains are after--eternal life and invulnerabilty, whereas Kame-sennin's immortality is just eternal life. I would guess that they expected along with invulnerabilty to be utterly invincible, as if they couldn't be matched or outdone in power. A severe wound, such as a hole through their stomach or decapitation, would either not be possible, or would still, somehow, not kill them.

SNS · Post by **SNS** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:57 pm

If you can still be injured while immortal, wouldn't you cease to exist if you are completely destroyed (not even one cell survives)?

Mike D · Post by **Mike D** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:09 pm

That is something to think about, but my theory is that you would regenerate from your smoke like Majin Boo.

SNS · Post by **SNS** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:16 pm

Yes but what if you are destroyed like Kid Buu was? (not even one of his cells survived, so he wasn't able to regenerate)

Mike D · Post by **Mike D** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:34 pm

Well, seeing as how you are immune to death, but all of your cells were destroyed like Majin Buu. I would say that your spirit would still be on the plains of the living realm and you would either:

A) Take over some else's body

B) Take over a dead body

C) Your body would just poof outta nowhere....

....I don't know.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:36 pm

Hmmm. Perhaps what we'd need are definitions? So, I'll list what they are, IMO.

Eternal Youth: Well, it seems by the way of Daimao and Slug both that in DB, Eternal Youth makes you younger too. But the default is that you simply stop aging. You can still be hurt and killed, just can't age.

Immortality: You can't die. You can be hurt, dismembered, decapitated, and atomized, but somehow you still live on. You WONT regenerate however, you just wont die.

The only time we actually see Immortality is via Garlic Jr. so he's not exactly a good show of how that would work in the DB universe. It coud be argued that Majin Buu was/is Immortal but there's the fact that he DID die. So he's not. Probably had Eternal Youth, but not Immortality.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:42 pm

*PINHEAD* wrote:Perhaps Vegeta's perception of immortality was invincibility.

Didn't Vegeta stated that it wouldn't mind how many times he tried to defeat Freeza, he would be able to someday? If so, he knew he wasn't going to be invincible, but he was also counting on pounding Freeza several times until the Saiya-jin rule of "getting stronger while fighting stronger oponents" would give him the stregth to defeat Freeza.

The S · Post by **The S** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:44 pm

"I am Garlic Jr., of the Clan Macleod. There can be only o--" (chop) (grow) "er, never mind."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...
(catches breath)
Ha ha ha ha ah ha ha ha ha (passes out).

Very witty.

Sedorna · Post by **Sedorna** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:28 pm

alakazam^ wrote: Didn't Vegeta stated that it wouldn't mind how many times he tried to defeat Freeza, he would be able to someday? If so, he knew he wasn't going to be invincible, but he was also counting on pounding Freeza several times until the Saiya-jin rule of "getting stronger while fighting stronger oponents" would give him the stregth to defeat Freeza.

But don't Saiyajin get stronger when they recover from serious injury, that which places them close to death? If Vegeta was immortal, then wouldn't it be impossible for any injury to get him close to death? And, if that is the case, does immortality automatically render the Saiyan strengthening gene null and void? Or, have I misunderstood, and does recover from any injury, such as a paper cut, cause the increase in power, albeit not in such an amount as nearly being killed?

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:43 pm

That's the way I always saw it; that Saiyans grow stronger from every fight, but the increase isn't significant unless he was really pushed or brought to near death.

I think we can safely assume that should Vegeta had reached his wish for immortality, he could still grow stronger from having the stuffing beaten out of him. I don't think immortality equals having infinite stamina and Ki, just that he wouldn't die.

Mike D · Post by **Mike D** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:36 pm

Exactly Deus, he could get his neck broken but that doesn't mean he won't need a way to get it back to normal. Vegeta would be in severe pain. In battle, he would get tired and injured but he will not die under any circumstances.

Say he got the s*** beat out of him by Frieza. He would be feeling the same way he would feel if he wasn't immortal.