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DNA · Post by **DNA** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:54 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
DNA wrote:
JamieDBZFan1995 wrote:It could have been any Saiyan, I doubt this Krillin knows who is who.
Well, he quite clearly recognizes demons, androids, Coola's empire, saiyans and Babidi, and yet, somehow you're trying to tell me he does not know who the prince of saiyans is? It's not like Vegeta is a quiet guy about it or anything, I'm pretty damn sure that it is implied that this Kuririn fought Vegeta.
He could just as easily be talking about Gohan and the reason for the attitude was because you whipped out the "there's really no reason to be confused here" line as if I'm some kind of fool. The line was taken quite easily out of context by a native speaker of the English language.

How would Gohan even exist in Kuririn's universe? It is Vegeta, deal with it. I'm talking to you like you're some kind of fool because you are acting like some kind of fool. And don't give me that "native speaker" shit. I wouldn't be surprised if I've been learning English for more years than you're alive. Kuririn meant Vegeta, it was always clear, it's the only logical answer, and you created a confusion were there is no reason to. You've been told that it is, you've been explained that it is, but still you carry on arguing for some odd reason. You were wrong, but for some sort of sense of pride you cannot admit that. So fine, have at you, I'm done with this discussion.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:07 pm

DNA wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:
DNA wrote: Well, he quite clearly recognizes demons, androids, Coola's empire, saiyans and Babidi, and yet, somehow you're trying to tell me he does not know who the prince of saiyans is? It's not like Vegeta is a quiet guy about it or anything, I'm pretty damn sure that it is implied that this Kuririn fought Vegeta.
He could just as easily be talking about Gohan and the reason for the attitude was because you whipped out the "there's really no reason to be confused here" line as if I'm some kind of fool. The line was taken quite easily out of context by a native speaker of the English language.
How would Gohan even exist in Kuririn's universe? It is Vegeta, deal with it. I'm talking to you like you're some kind of fool because you are acting like some kind of fool. And don't give me that "native speaker" shit. I wouldn't be surprised if I've been learning English for more years than you're alive. Kuririn meant Vegeta, it was always clear, it's the only logical answer, and you created a confusion were there is no reason to. You've been told that it is, you've been explained that it is, but still you carry on arguing for some odd reason. You were wrong, but for some sort of sense of pride you cannot admit that. So fine, have at you, I'm done with this discussion.

I think he will admit that he was wrong if you admit that you had a bad tone when telling him that he was wrong.
Even though you claim that there is no reason for confusion, other people than you may be confused. It's just a part of our different ways of thinking as individuals.
Myself, I thought that he meant Radditz, since it would be overkill to send Vegeta and Nappa to such a weak planet, something that's explained in the manga.
Now, you say that the authors meant Vegeta, fine. It was Vegeta. But at a first glance it's not obvious for everyone who do not work with the authors.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:26 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Dayspring wrote:
The way it is written, at least in English, it could be inferred that Krillin is talking about any Saiyan, not necessarily Vegeta. He could be referring to Radditz, Vegeta, Tullece, or any of the other few remaining Saiyans.
No, the way it is written in English implies that Krillin is refering to the Saiyan present among Goku's friends at the tournament. That Saiyan is Vegeta. There's absolutely no ambiguity here, guys, be it in the original French or the chosen English translation.
I wrote a long explanation, and even provided an example, in why he could have referred to any of the living Saiyans instead of just Vegeta. Did you not read it?

I guess I should have specified. If he knows about the Saiyans, and he knows Goku is a Saiyan, then he has reason to group him with any other Saiyan he had met. Be it, Radditz, Vegeta, or Tullece.

There is virtually NO implication that he's referring to the group Goku is with. That could have been what the author intended, but it is not written in a way that makes the reader automatically assume that Krillin is talking about Goku's group of friends. He uses the word "friend" but, like I explained earlier, he could be referring to somebody he previously met, maybe on his planet, and didn't like. That's how I first interpreted it.

I'm not saying that it's incorrect to assume he's talking about Goku's friends. I'm saying that it's not specified which Saiyan he's talking about.

EDIT: If he had said, "I know your Saiyan friend, over there." Then nobody would have been confused.

Except the example doesn't apply here when there's only one other Saiyan present. Don't get me wrong: he's definitely using "friend" in a negative connotation, and it's also true that he neither knows nor cares if they actually are friends, but he's clearly refering specifically to the Saiyan who is at the tournament with Goku. That's Vegeta.

While it's not impossible for Krillin to know of Radditz, Tullece, Nappa, Bardock, yadda, he isn't refering to them because they are not present in the context of his conversation.

And your edit doesn't change anything. English grammar is following the exact same rules in that case. Adding "over there" just says where the Saiyan friend is, not who.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:36 pm

DNA wrote: How would Gohan even exist in Kuririn's universe? It is Vegeta, deal with it.

So then it's fair to assume that you know what happened in Kuririn's universe, would that be correct?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:56 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:So then it's fair to assume that you know what happened in Kuririn's universe, would that be correct?

So Kakarot went to earth, didn't start a fuss (since Krillin doesn't recognize him), knocked up ChiChi and left, ChiChi kept the baby, and Gohan grew up and had the same hair despite being a half-Saiyan whose hair changes all the time?

Marty Kirra · Post by **Marty Kirra** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:49 pm

I for one thought Innagadadavida's comment about "friend" referring to another Saiyan was spot on. I don't think it was particularly clear who he was referring to, but Vegeta seems about right.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:46 am

Think of it this way, guys: it's the same context as if he said "I know your Namek friend." Would you wonder if Krillin was refering to Nail, Kami, Dende, or any other Namek we've ever seen? No: you'd immediately think of Piccolo, because Piccolo is the only Namek among Goku's group.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:53 am

Dayspring wrote:Think of it this way, guys: it's the same context as if he said "I know your Namek friend." Would you wonder if Krillin was refering to Nail, Kami, Dende, or any other Namek we've ever seen? No: you'd immediately think of Piccolo, because Piccolo is the only Namek among Goku's group.

Yeah, but if Krillin thinks bad of Saiya-jins, it means that they have been attacked by the Saiya-jins. Hence, it's not impossible for Radditz to be one of them, Nappa too.
If the Saiya-jins are evil, Goku, Vegeta, Radditz and Nappa would be a group, just like in the other universe, where Vegeta is a Super Saiya-jin.

Heck, it would be most plausible to have Radditz as that Saiya-jin, as he would anyways come to pick up Goku, no matter what happened at Earth, even if Goku was dead at that point. He didn't know if Goku was alive or not when travelling to Earth.

But the only guy people think of when hearing Saiya-jin is Vegeta. Even though there are a lot of Saiya-jins seen in Dragonball Z, that were on Earth.

jackrs113 · Post by **jackrs113** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:37 pm

I'm just a little confused here....if Krillin doesn't recognize Goku does that mean he never came to earth in that universe? and if he didn't, why would the saiyans come to earth in the first place? Radditz only came to get Goku and then Nappa and Vegeta came to get the Dragonballs so what could have happened that let Krillin fight them. probably an unanswerable question but so is the question about the mystery saiyan Krillin came across.

JamieDBZFan1995 · Post by **JamieDBZFan1995** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:19 pm

jackrs113 wrote:I'm just a little confused here....if Krillin doesn't recognize Goku does that mean he never came to earth in that universe? and if he didn't, why would the saiyans come to earth in the first place? Radditz only came to get Goku and then Nappa and Vegeta came to get the Dragonballs so what could have happened that let Krillin fight them. probably an unanswerable question but so is the question about the mystery saiyan Krillin came across.

Like someone else has said Raditz possible could have came to pick up Goku after he had destroyed everything on Earth, then realising Goku was dead. Krillin defeats Raditz then Vegeta and Nappa would have came to figure out what happened.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:37 pm

Godo wrote:
Dayspring wrote:Think of it this way, guys: it's the same context as if he said "I know your Namek friend." Would you wonder if Krillin was refering to Nail, Kami, Dende, or any other Namek we've ever seen? No: you'd immediately think of Piccolo, because Piccolo is the only Namek among Goku's group.
Yeah, but if Krillin thinks bad of Saiya-jins, it means that they have been attacked by the Saiya-jins. Hence, it's not impossible for Radditz to be one of them, Nappa too.
If the Saiya-jins are evil, Goku, Vegeta, Radditz and Nappa would be a group, just like in the other universe, where Vegeta is a Super Saiya-jin.

Ok, but CLEARLY not the group Krillin is refering to. Both the grammar and context of the statement imply the group present at the tournament. If there was a single other Saiyan apart from Vegeta, you'd be right. But there isn't, so there's no ambiguity.

Why exactly are we arguing over this again? The ambiguity came from someone misreading the statement.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:28 am

Dayspring wrote:
Godo wrote:
Dayspring wrote:Think of it this way, guys: it's the same context as if he said "I know your Namek friend." Would you wonder if Krillin was refering to Nail, Kami, Dende, or any other Namek we've ever seen? No: you'd immediately think of Piccolo, because Piccolo is the only Namek among Goku's group.
Yeah, but if Krillin thinks bad of Saiya-jins, it means that they have been attacked by the Saiya-jins. Hence, it's not impossible for Radditz to be one of them, Nappa too.
If the Saiya-jins are evil, Goku, Vegeta, Radditz and Nappa would be a group, just like in the other universe, where Vegeta is a Super Saiya-jin.
Ok, but CLEARLY not the group Krillin is refering to. Both the grammar and context of the statement imply the group present at the tournament. If there was a single other Saiyan apart from Vegeta, you'd be right. But there isn't, so there's no ambiguity.

Why exactly are we arguing over this again?

For the record, I wasn't arguing whether it was Vegeta or not, but why people could be confused by the matter.

Grammar here, context, there. In the end we all interpret things differently. A single line of text can differ in meaning for all of us.
We all don't see all those puzzle pieces, and some of us use different puzzle pieces.
That's why discussions like "Was Gohan a SSJ2 or not?" keep on raging on these forums.

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:09 pm

151 is out

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-151.html

it's just a filler page...

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:09 pm

I spy Apulle, do you?

CashmanX · Post by **CashmanX** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:14 pm

Cooler's Drinking!

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:47 pm

It doesn't really matter if not much is happening, it's fun ^^ I like little glimpses into the characters like this.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:47 pm

That's not Tapion is it? Or maybe it's meant to be an older Tapion?

And I find it interesting that Radditz is still alive in Tapion's universe. Unless that's someone else shadowed out.

EDIT: I wonder why they're slowly zooming out on the entrances...

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:36 pm

They're just recapping the different universes. I doubt that shadowy figure is meant to be Raditz, it reminds me of Dr. Raichi thought, but I also doubt it is him. That is undoubtefully Tapion, it was already stated some pages ago.

What about universe 5? It appears to be empty, unless that's some silhouette by the door. It is mysterious nonetheless.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:02 pm

The part where Buu eating a large amount of candy made me a laugh a little. I hope the 5th universe is about King Piccolo or maybe a universe where Vegeta never exist.

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:16 pm

I like how Coola is drowning his sorrows

And I also thought that the fact that the Namekian is only drinking water is pretty cool, since that's all he can do.