Which DBZ movie do you think was the best out of all 13?

Reckoner · Post by **Reckoner** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:58 pm

Velasa wrote:My favorite movie- no, my favorite part of the entire series has always been movie 1, Dead Zone.

It's my favorite art style of the series, it's my favorite point in time with the gap between DB and DBZ, it's my favorite characters, Son actually cares about his family, Kami is a badass, the backstory with the battle for the Godship is fascinating, the music is amazing, I can actually enjoy it equally in Japanese and in English, the fights are beautifully choreographed and awesome to watch, some of my favorite Piccolo lines ever (Then you'll know what hell is really like) and my god, I love Dead Zone. My only real complaint is that the actual fight between Pic and Son is too short <_<

Dead Zone is by FAR my favorite movie and you summed up everything I love about it except for two things.

1) The art direction. Yes, I'd never thought I'd use the phrase "art direction" to compliment a DBZ movie, but...oh my God, every single shot in Dead Zone is absolutely jaw dropping. The character models take a huge step up even compared to the best drawn episodes of the Saiyan Arc. The color direction is absolutely spot-on and the design of Garlic Jr.'s palace itself is incredible.

2) It feels much different than any other DBZ movie. Like you said, it's stuck in the middle of DB and DBZ but the movie as a whole just feels like a lot more raw and hard hitting. I can't explain it. Someone else said it was grittier and darker. I don't really want to say it's darker since there's a Gohan-getting-drunk-and-singing sequence smack in the middle of it, but shit goes down in this movie...it kicks MY ass.

Oh, and all the music in this movie comprises 80% of my favorite music cues from all of DBZ.

SSVegetto · Post by **SSVegetto** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:16 pm

penguintruth wrote:Brolly isn't a great villain either, though. He's just an insane muscle-bound imbecile.

Very nice typical stereotyping there. People with big muscles are automatically dumb. You keep using muscle bound imbecile phrase over and over. But all DBZ characters have big muscles. That doesn't make them idiots.

I don't care if you don't like Brolly. It's just that I don't like your reasoning for it. (Or phrasing behind why you don't like Brolly). Most all Dragonball characters have big muscles. So what.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:23 pm

.... SSVegetto, hon. They didn't mean every character with big muscles is stupid. It's pretty clear that Brolli, himself, though I like that movie, isn't exactly booksmart. He's a ball of barely controlled crazy, and later on all he can verbalize is screaming and "KA-KAROTTO!!!!" which really does qualify him as an idiot.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:31 pm

SSVegetto wrote:
penguintruth wrote:Brolly isn't a great villain either, though. He's just an insane muscle-bound imbecile.
Very nice typical stereotyping there. People with big muscles are automatically dumb. You keep using muscle bound imbecile phrase over and over. But all DBZ characters have big muscles. That doesn't make them idiots.

I don't care if you don't like Brolly. It's just that I don't like your reasoning for it. (Or phrasing behind why you don't like Brolly). Most all Dragonball characters have big muscles. So what.

*facepalm*

No, muscles doesn't make a character stupid, but Brolly is. He's basically a giant ball of rage who bulldozes everything. There's no nuance to the character.

Not that DBZ has much nuance to start with.

SSVegetto · Post by **SSVegetto** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:32 pm

Velasa wrote:.... SSVegetto, hon. They didn't mean every character with big muscles is stupid. It's pretty clear that Brolli, himself, though I like that movie, isn't exactly booksmart. He's a ball of barely controlled crazy, and later on all he can verbalize is screaming and "KA-KAROTTO!!!!" which really does qualify him as an idiot.

Yeah, but he is putting the two together. Like having big muscles is a bad thing and it goes along with being dumb. And who said he is dumb? He is a genius when it comes to fighting. Brolly also knew what was going on when his father was trying to escape. Alright, he is not booksmart, but what Saiyan-jins are booksmart?

Velasa wrote:And another note to whoever was teasing about Mirai Trunks being in a movie as a stupid reason to like it- no it's not o_O If your favorite character was suppose to have disappeared and then you get to see them doing cool stuff again, that's a perfectly legitimate reason to like a movie.

If you are talking about me, that is not what I said. I didn't say it was stupid of him to pick Future Trunks to like Movie 9. I said it was funny that he said he picked one of his reasons because "Trunks gets to do things".

He was being very unspecific and it just seemed like a lame reason to like a movie. Anyone can do stuff in a movie. But anyways, he explained in detail why he liked Trunks in that movie a little bit better.

And thanks for making me look up Mirai

I suppose it is cooler to use Japanese phrasing for anything you can in DBZ. Even though it is not a English word in the dictionary. *Me rolls eyes.

penguintruth wrote:*facepalm*

No, muscles doesn't make a character stupid, but Brolly is. He's basically a giant ball of rage who bulldozes everything. There's no nuance to the character.

Not that DBZ has much nuance to start with.

Yeah, so what? , So what if that is Brolly style of fighting? And guess what Goku isn't exactly smart either. But Goku is a genius at fighting. Just like Brolly.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:36 pm

Tekkaman-James wrote:I have always loved DBZ Movie #12, DragonBall Z: Fukkatsu no Fusion!! Gokū to Vegeta. It's a super-fun watch and features my favorite, if somewhat non-canonical, villain in all of DragonBall.

So, to follow in penguintruth's footsteps, here are my:

Top 12 Reasons Why I Love Movie 12

12) Uber-crazy, can-you-spot-them-all villain cameos
11) Shenlong's terrific line at the end of the movie
10) Goten and Trunks fighting Nazis
09) Mr. Satan kicking zombie butt
08) Gohan decimating Freeza with a single punch to the gut
07) Paikuhan gets some more much-deserved screen time
06) Veku farting in Janemba's face
05) Vegeta cries...again!
04) The first, and totally badass, appearance of Gogeta
03) JANEMBA!!
02) JANEMBA!!
01) JANEMBA!!

Couldn't agree more. While I couldn't care less if Paikuhan got screen time, I actually found him interesting and fun in movie 12.

And I totally got the joke regarding reasons 1-3.

So is the Jump special considered movie 14 yet?

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:44 pm

SSVegetto wrote: Yeah, so what? , So what if that is Brolly style of fighting? And guess what Goku isn't exactly smart either. But Goku is a genius at fighting. Just like Brolly.

Screaming mindlessly and bulldozing your opponent is not battle strategy. Brolly has raw power, and that's it.

Goku is a fighting genius. Brolly is a mass of muscle and rage, like the Hulk, only dumber.

SSVegetto · Post by **SSVegetto** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:53 pm

penguintruth wrote:
SSVegetto wrote: Yeah, so what? , So what if that is Brolly style of fighting? And guess what Goku isn't exactly smart either. But Goku is a genius at fighting. Just like Brolly.
Screaming mindlessly and bulldozing your opponent is not battle strategy. Brolly has raw power, and that's it.

Goku is a fighting genius. Brolly is a mass of muscle and rage, like the Hulk, only dumber.

Then why couldn't Goku outsmart him and beat him on his own? And why at the end did Goku had to rely on raw power to beat him? Again, you aren't making any sense whats so ever. If Goku and the others were so smart. How come they couldn't out smart him on their own and beat him? At the end they had to rely on combining their powers in the end. Again, relying on raw power just to beat Brolly.

Goku had to rely on raw power just as Brolly did. So what makes Brolly so dumb? That he is extremely powerful? Is that what you are saying now. That he has extreme raw power? And that makes him dumb? I mean first it was muscles, then it was his fighting style that actually beat each Z warrior to a pulp, and now you are saying it is his raw power that makes him dumb. So Brolly being strong makes him dumb. It doesn't make sense.

No it doesn't make him stupid , that makes him awesome. That makes him the most powerful warrior in the universe and the most feared. You are just stereotyping Brolly. Goku and Brolly are probably at the same level of intelligence. Goku was not book smart at all either. You have no evidence to back anything up except for stereotyping.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:01 pm

SSVegetto, are you just trolling now?

Brolly doesn't need a fighting strategy. He is pure, unadulterated power. No regular strategy is going to be of any use against him. Eventually, though, the fighters came up with a strategy and pulled out a win. But he's still an extremely lame character because all he is, is a very powerful bulldozer, and has no personality or technique.

There is nothing "awesome" about a character who just mindlessly beats people up like some pumped up maniac. There's no subtlety to it. The reason I like some DBZ fights is that there is a multitude of different techniques being used and the characters are thinking every step of the way.

Brolly is just "BROLLY SMASH!"

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:09 pm

SSVegetto wrote:Is that what you are saying now. That he has extreme raw power? And that makes him dumb? I mean first it was muscles, then it was his fighting style that actually beat each Z warrior to a pulp, and now you are saying it is his raw power that makes him dumb. So Brolly being strong makes him dumb. It doesn't make sense.

You're purposefully avoiding the obvious here. It's annoying. Please stop. You're being really hard to like.

SSVegetto · Post by **SSVegetto** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:10 pm

penguintruth wrote: Brolly doesn't need a fighting strategy. He is pure, unadulterated power. No regular strategy is going to be of any use against him. Eventually, though, the fighters came up with a strategy and pulled out a win. But he's still an extremely lame character because all he is, is a very powerful bulldozer, and has no personality or technique.

There is nothing "awesome" about a character who just mindlessly beats people up like some pumped up maniac. There's no subtlety to it. The reason I like some DBZ fights is that there is a multitude of different techniques being used and the characters are thinking every step of the way.

Brolly is just "BROLLY SMASH!"

Yeah, I suppose you are right, all Saiya-jins fight clear and are very smart. Take for instance, when Saiya-jins turn into a giant ape.

Kendamu wrote:
SSVegetto wrote:Is that what you are saying now. That he has extreme raw power? And that makes him dumb? I mean first it was muscles, then it was his fighting style that actually beat each Z warrior to a pulp, and now you are saying it is his raw power that makes him dumb. So Brolly being strong makes him dumb. It doesn't make sense.
You're purposefully avoiding the obvious here. It's annoying. Please stop. You're being really hard to like.

Dude, I just have an opinion. It's not a big deal. I don't feel someone being incredibly strong makes them dumb. I don't have to stop anything. I can have this argument, I'm just discussing my opinions with him about Brolly. If people aren't going to like me because I have a difference of opinion. Then fine.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:16 pm

SSVegetto wrote:Dude, I just have an opinion. It's not a big deal.

It's not your opinion that's the problem. It's more that you're defending it by twisting people's words ("Oh, so muscles and power means you're dumb?") rather than looking at the obvious contextual idea of what Broly, a guy who mostly has a one-word vocabulary, represents as a character. Missing such a point is like not noticing Tullece aqnd Goku looking similar. I don't think you're stupid so the only other option is that you're purposefully missing the point. If you're purposefully missing the point, you're just being annoying.

EDIT: Power doesn't make him dumb. He's dumb and relies only on power. He's just got so much of it that he's still an enormous threat!

Your opinion on Broli's eloquent speeches, genius strategies, and witty retorts to enemy threats is a completely different matter.

SSVegetto · Post by **SSVegetto** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:30 pm

Kendamu wrote: EDIT: Power doesn't make him dumb. He's dumb and relies only on power. He's just got so much of it that he's still an enormous threat!

You didn't state why he was dumb?

Although, movies 10, and 11. I don't like those movies. Because he doesn't have much dialogue. I think he does sound dumb when he spouts "Kakarot". All the time. Like I said I don't like those movies. That to me is a legit reason. But movie 8 is where he has more dialogue than that.

But I disagree that he is dumb for just having raw power, having big muscles, and using Brolly smash moves.

Although I don't think penguintruth implied he was dumb just because he had a big muscles. But I'm not trying to twist his words. It's just that the only legit reason why he says Brolly is dumb is because of his dialogue from the other movies that does actually make him sound kind of dumb.

But he constantly used "big muscles" "dumb" in the same phrase to describe Brolly in a negative way.

Most Saiya-jins aren't really that smart. But when it comes to fighting they are smart. And Brolly used moves that did get the job done still. Even though they didn't have much style to them. If you can win in a fight and bash the hell out of 3 to 4 Super Saiyajins at once. Then I would say he is kind of smart in fighting. But I admit if it wasn't for his Ki, he would not probably be able to be smart enough to outsmart those warriors. Like you said, so you do have a point there.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:37 pm

SSVegetto wrote: And thanks for making me look up Mirai

I suppose it is cooler to use Japanese phrasing for anything you can in DBZ. Even though it is not a English word in the dictionary. *Me rolls eyes.

I'm not going to get back into the Brolli argument so I'll just touch on this.

I don't use specific Japanese words to be 'cool', there are just certain ones I learned through fandom and got used to. SSJ, attack names, honorifics, ways to refer to species and planets, and the reference term for a very specific world in the future where things went very wrong for everyone are a few examples. I was taught to use Mirai way back in '99, it's accurate, and it's what I use in natural speech with anyone about that very specific world *shrugs*

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:47 pm

SSVegetto wrote:
Kendamu wrote: EDIT: Power doesn't make him dumb. He's dumb and relies only on power. He's just got so much of it that he's still an enormous threat!
You didn't state why he was dumb?

Oh, buit I did. Both directly and through sarcasam. You must'a missed that part because you're purposefully avoiding the point.

SSVegetto · Post by **SSVegetto** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:22 pm

Kendamu wrote:
SSVegetto wrote:
Kendamu wrote: EDIT: Power doesn't make him dumb. He's dumb and relies only on power. He's just got so much of it that he's still an enormous threat!
You didn't state why he was dumb?
Oh, buit I did. Both directly and through sarcasam. You must'a missed that part because you're purposefully avoiding the point.

My mistake. I only read the bold statement.

"has a one-word vocabulary, represents as a character."

I did explain this was a legit point actually. His one word vocabulary is more apparent in Movies 10, and 11. Which I don't like. So, don't freakin say I didn't miss the point purposely. I admitted that his vocabulary is one reason he sounds dumb. But for him being powerful, that doesn't make him dumb. And in Movie 8, he doesn't spout that same type of dialogue. They gave him more dialogue.

But who cares, it all comes down to I like Brolly as a character and he doesn't. You don't need to get so serious and to think I'm purposely avoiding your points. Can you freakin read my mind? My argument was more with him than it was with you.

I have my reasons he has his. We disagree towards our reasons. It's an opinion. None of this is a fact. Or none of this has anything to do with who is right or who is wrong. If you find me annoying just because I have an opinion, then welcome to the world.

There is a lot more things to worry about or get annoyed about then someones opinion on a internet forum about a fictional anime. Such as losing your house? Something serious.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:47 pm

Reckoner wrote:
Velasa wrote:My favorite movie- no, my favorite part of the entire series has always been movie 1, Dead Zone.

It's my favorite art style of the series, it's my favorite point in time with the gap between DB and DBZ, it's my favorite characters, Son actually cares about his family, Kami is a badass, the backstory with the battle for the Godship is fascinating, the music is amazing, I can actually enjoy it equally in Japanese and in English, the fights are beautifully choreographed and awesome to watch, some of my favorite Piccolo lines ever (Then you'll know what hell is really like) and my god, I love Dead Zone. My only real complaint is that the actual fight between Pic and Son is too short <_<
Dead Zone is by FAR my favorite movie and you summed up everything I love about it except for two things.

1) The art direction. Yes, I'd never thought I'd use the phrase "art direction" to compliment a DBZ movie, but...oh my God, every single shot in Dead Zone is absolutely jaw dropping. The character models take a huge step up even compared to the best drawn episodes of the Saiyan Arc. The color direction is absolutely spot-on and the design of Garlic Jr.'s palace itself is incredible.

2) It feels much different than any other DBZ movie. Like you said, it's stuck in the middle of DB and DBZ but the movie as a whole just feels like a lot more raw and hard hitting. I can't explain it. Someone else said it was grittier and darker. I don't really want to say it's darker since there's a Gohan-getting-drunk-and-singing sequence smack in the middle of it, but shit goes down in this movie...it kicks MY ass.

Oh, and all the music in this movie comprises 80% of my favorite music cues from all of DBZ.

These are a lot of the reasons that I like Dead Zone. However, The World's Strongest is still just a bit better to me. I'm not sure why exactly, but I just enjoy it a little bit more than Dead Zone.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:16 pm

Kendamu wrote:These are a lot of the reasons that I like Dead Zone. However, The World's Strongest is still just a bit better to me. I'm not sure why exactly, but I just enjoy it a little bit more than Dead Zone.

I agree. My favorite Z movies are 1 and 2 but I rank "World's Strongest" higher. Mostly because it has slightly better fight scenes...and slightly better dub performances.

Lazyking · Post by **Lazyking** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:02 pm

This thread makes me mad cause I've never seen the movies. Bring on dragon box movies please!

Ultimate_DB_Fan · Post by **Ultimate_DB_Fan** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:05 pm

I can't believe the stuff I've been reading since I created this thread yesterday...
First off, no one here should get bashed for liking movie 8, or Broly himself, okay? I, myself, am a fan of the character very much, and I think movie 8 was his best appearance. Movies 10 and 11 were definitely weak, but I still watch 'em. I'm devoted that way.
If someone here feels a certain way about Broly: "He's a big brute with no depth," etc., I'm not gonna go all crazy on whoever said it, it's just their opinion.
Moving on, I think the best movies were 1-3, 5-9, 12 & 13. The weakest entries, to me, would be 4, 10 and 11.