Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[rereboy]

Now that`s just blind hate.

[Rocketman]

Now that`s just blind hate.

Really? Hatred yes, but not blind. Broly is the most overused piece of shit character ever. Scrappy Doo is better than he is.

Remember Budokai 3's opening, where Broly punched Gogeta and made him bleed? Or how in every single game opening since then, Broly is built up as so ZOMGAWESOME that Goku and Vegeta have to fuse and then still can't best him? Or in Raging Blast where he gets a free SSJ3 powerup? Or in that Kai game, where he's shoved into the goddamn Saiyan Saga? Or how he's slowly taking over every piece of cover art?

No sir, it is because I am not blind that I hate.

[Kaboom]

Rocketman's got a point. I, and I'm sure plenty others, are getting quite sick of Broly.

[SHINOBI-03]

Godamn Broli... Do you still remember the prelude of Multivers?

Let's just hope he in not the Broli we knew and hate. Let's hope he is from an alternative universe from what we saw from the movies.

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((Looking back at the page again, I see a Captain Oniyu look-a-like .))

[Dayspring]

I don't mind "A Broly" vs "A Vegetto," but when the differences are pretty much stated to be a result of different causes and effects, then this Broly should not at all be able to fight this Vegetto, as this is essentially movie 10 Broly vs a stronger version of Vegetto. Unless the Potara work differently in Vegetto's timeline, which his recent comments about Ultimate Boo would show is NOT the case, movie 10 Broly can't defeat any version of Vegetto.

[Godo]

Hell, if Broly should be able to take on Vegetto, then Krillin could kick the ass of anyone in that tournament. That's how unlogical it is for Broly to have that strength.
Broly was friggin FROZEN. To be able to take care of Vegetto, he had to gain a 1000x zenkai or something.
I guess that the authors will explain it with the following:

Brolly unfreezes, screaming KAKAROTTO!!
Vegeta looks at him, telling the others: "Damn, he is a lot stronger than before! How could this be? I feel so puny!"
Goku explains: "I guess that he fought Cell and succeeded. Then he went to Kaioshin's planet and tried to kill Kaioshin with the Z-sword. It broke, and he made Rou Kaioshin to perform a dance to entertain him. Little did he know that the only dance he knew was the ritual dance. So, out of sheer stress he accidentally unleashed all his powers, so Broly got into Mysic Broly and then a meteor came and froze him! Just a guess."
One of those bird guys responds with: "Yes, that's true!"
And then Vegetto comes: "Wow, finally a challenge!" Because of that they conveniently got paired to fight at that time.

[Maphisto86]

While I can understand fatigue over Brolli's overuse, at the same time I do not recall any other villain which would have been an interesting major opponent to Vegetto. Super Boo would simply be a repeat of what we saw previously. So what other villain would have been a better choice? Personally I think another unique character would have been cool (a take on the Tsfurujin?). Still the Vegetto v.s. Broly opening scene was meant to stimulate interest.

I don't mind "A Broly" vs "A Vegetto," but when the differences are pretty much stated to be a result of different causes and effects, then this Broly should not at all be able to fight this Vegetto, as this is essentially movie 10 Broly vs a stronger version of Vegetto.

There is no evidence from the story that this Broly is as strong, stronger or weaker as his Movie 10 counterpart. The only thing we know about him was that he was found by the Vargas floating, ice bound but alive, though space.

Personally, I am looking forward to what the 'Super Namek' character can do. That, and giving said a character a name already!

[rereboy]

Now that`s just blind hate.

Really? Hatred yes, but not blind. Broly is the most overused piece of shit character ever. Scrappy Doo is better than he is.

Remember Budokai 3's opening, where Broly punched Gogeta and made him bleed? Or how in every single game opening since then, Broly is built up as so ZOMGAWESOME that Goku and Vegeta have to fuse and then still can't best him? Or in Raging Blast where he gets a free SSJ3 powerup? Or in that Kai game, where he's shoved into the goddamn Saiyan Saga? Or how he's slowly taking over every piece of cover art?

No sir, it is because I am not blind that I hate.

You hate Brolly because of his fanbase and the market that that fanbase creates, which results in Brolly having more importance in games and such.

You should hate the fanbase itself for doing that.

Instead you choose to hate a character who probably wouldn`t mean anything relevant for you if he didn`t have such a fanbase, because of that fanbase.

That is blind hate. Your reasons for hating the characters are reasons to hate his fanbase. Not the character.

Its perfectly fine to hate a character. But at least hate the character because of character, not because of his fanbase.

[Maphisto86]

You hate Brolly because of his fanbase and the market that that fanbase creates, which results in Brolly having more importance in games and such.

You should hate the fanbase itself for doing that.

Instead you choose to hate a character who probably wouldn`t mean anything relevant for you if he didn`t have such a fanbase, because of that fanbase.

That is blind hate. Your reasons for hating the characters are reasons to hate his fanbase. Not the character.

Its perfectly fine to hate a character. But at least hate the character because of character, not because of his fanbase.

Well there is plenty of reasons to dislike Brolly. He's an underdeveloped character and in many ways a strange answer Toei gave to the question "Who is the Legendary SSJ?". Of course the fanbase and Toei itself I think is to blame for Broly's massive popularity. To many, Broly is a villainous 'Gary Stu'. Underdeveloped, extremely powerful simply for existing and often defeated rather easily after being seen as almost invincible. Then again, most other Dragonball villains like Piccolo Daimao, Freeza and Majin Buu also exhibit these traits (especially the last one).

[Kaboom]

Broly's a pretty bland and bad character to begin with. He's really no different than any other brutal, angry movie villain, but he just happens to be a Super Saiyan. You don't see Slug or Super 13 or Bojack with fanbases this large and ridiculous.

[Maphisto86]

Broly's a pretty bland and bad character to begin with. He's really no different than any other brutal, angry movie villain, but he just happens to be a Super Saiyan. You don't see Slug or Super 13 or Bojack with fanbases this large and ridiculous.

Again, I think most Dragonball villains are like this, only unlike movie villains, they acquire more character development.

[Dayspring]

While I can understand fatigue over Brolli's overuse, at the same time I do not recall any other villain which would have been an interesting major opponent to Vegetto. Super Boo would simply be a repeat of what we saw previously. So what other villain would have been a better choice? Personally I think another unique character would have been cool (a take on the Tsfurujin?). Still the Vegetto v.s. Broly opening scene was meant to stimulate interest.

All true, but as I said, all they had to do was make this Vegetto weaker than our own, instead of stronger.

I don't mind "A Broly" vs "A Vegetto," but when the differences are pretty much stated to be a result of different causes and effects, then this Broly should not at all be able to fight this Vegetto, as this is essentially movie 10 Broly vs a stronger version of Vegetto.

There is no evidence from the story that this Broly is as strong, stronger or weaker as his Movie 10 counterpart. The only thing we know about him was that he was found by the Vargas floating, ice bound but alive, though space.

Yeah, but unless there's a major story plot for him (which I HIGHLY doubt), then we can easily guess the chain of events:
1) Movie 8 Broly arrives on Earth, gets stuck in suspended animation because of the ice. 7 years later, Goten's crying does NOT wake him up for whatever reason. A few weeks later, Chibi Boo blows up Earth. By sheer luck, one of the few fragments of space debris is this chunk of ice with Broly STILL in suspended animation. Twenty years later, he is found floating in space by the aliens organizing this tournament.

2) Movie 10 Broly survived getting launched into the sun. But because he's floating in space, he eventually gets his by an asteroid, encasing him in ice. Twenty years later, he is found floating in space by the aliens organizing this tournament. Strength = Movie 10 Broly + zenkai.

Both seem to point towards Movie 10 Broly's strength.

Personally, I am looking forward to what the 'Super Namek' character can do. That, and giving said a character a name already!

His name is "Namek."

[Rocketman]

While I can understand fatigue over Brolli's overuse, at the same time I do not recall any other villain which would have been an interesting major opponent to Vegetto.

Super Namek vs Super Vegetto.

Of course, the real problem is that nobody can be on Vegetto's level except Gogeta, but at least then it wouldn't be that shithead Broly.

[FuniYamcha]

You hate Brolly because of his fanbase and the market that that fanbase creates, which results in Brolly having more importance in games and such.

You should hate the fanbase itself for doing that.

Instead you choose to hate a character who probably wouldn`t mean anything relevant for you if he didn`t have such a fanbase, because of that fanbase.

That is blind hate. Your reasons for hating the characters are reasons to hate his fanbase. Not the character.

Its perfectly fine to hate a character. But at least hate the character because of character, not because of his fanbase.

Well, others have come up with some reasons for disliking Broly the character but I'll take my pot shots while the "No more Broly!" train is a rollin'. For starters, he's wayyyyy too roided up and ridiculously large for me to take seriously. I could understand if he had big muscles a la the ultra super saiyans, but when he has a growth spurt to like 10 feet tall just by transforming, it's just weird and takes me out of the moment because the others can't do that. "But it's because he's Legendary!!!" I can't accept that, since that's just a convenient cop out excuse for everything he does, like that BS space barrier he made as a baby. If we want to chalk down all of his oddities to being a genetic anomaly, then the plot really has no meaning as nothing has to be rational, even for the realm of Dragon World. Hell, we could just say getting hit by energy attacks adds to his power, because he's LSSJ. And getting hit by physical attacks actually toughens his body and doesn't cause damage, because he's LSSJ.

Second, people like his backstory, but I just consider him a psychotic, whiny little bitch. WAHHHHHHH, you made me cry as an infant Kakarot, I hate youuuu!!!!!! Having that be his driving motivation is pretty lame, as far as I'm concerned. They could have just left it at "he's crazy" and not have him pout about something pathetic like that. Even saiyan saga Gohan would tell him to grow a pair. People will say "But that's part of him being nuts" but it doesn't add to him as a villain, it just makes him seem....challenged. He really doesn't have any personality traits other than "crazy" which to me, isn't very interesting. He has no ulterior motives, no aspirations, no real backstory. He's just some crazy, strong bad guy.

As for saying Broly is the best choice to match Vegetto because we don't know how strong he is in Multiverse, that's the entire point. What I mean is, why the hell does HE have to be the one that's strong? You can't say that it's more illogical for friggin' Appule to be as strong as Vegetto, simply because Vegetto would register Movie 10 Broly and Appule both at a 0 on the "I would feel them attack me" scale. They could have used *anyone* to be as strong as Vegetto. The Super Namek and Ultra Buu? How do we know that everyone in those universes weren't illogically strong like Broly, thereby making those characters stronger? Hell, for all we know, Super Namek is comprised of thousands Nameks who were all stronger than Buu arc Piccolo.

It's not just that it's Broly who is uber-strong that's the problem, it's that it's *not* Broly is the problem as well. I mean, we have a Krillin who can apparently kick serious ass, so clearly Multiverse doesn't mind making people really strong. So why not choose a more interesting character than Broly to be the main villain?

[Maphisto86]

While I can understand fatigue over Brolli's overuse, at the same time I do not recall any other villain which would have been an interesting major opponent to Vegetto.

Super Namek vs Super Vegetto.

Of course, the real problem is that nobody can be on Vegetto's level except Gogeta, but at least then it wouldn't be that shithead Broly.

It's hard to tell but it does not seem as if the "Super Namek" is a villain. Still I highly agree in wanting to see Vegetto and him go toe to toe. While Piccolo became pretty powerful in the original story, I still feel like the Namekians where, like the humans, too overwhelmed by the Saiyan characters.

[Dayspring]

Am I the only one who'd want a Vegetto vs Majin Vegetto?

[Maphisto86]

Am I the only one who'd want a Vegetto vs Majin Vegetto?

As much as I like Vegetto, no I would not like to see such a match.

[JulieYBM]

Didn't Salagir say this Broli had destroyed everything in his universe until there was nothing left (no planets, stars, suns), so he froze over?


I'm no Broli fanboy, but even I can see this is being taken too seriously. Broli's nothing. In none of his movies has he proven to be an actual threat to the characters by the series' end and 'raging on 'roids fans' can't exactly use bloody video game openings as evidence to prove this character's strength (or another's lack-there-of).

[TheNamek]

Seriously? If Vegeta didnt give Goku his energy in the first Broly movie, He would have killed them all and without the 'magical assistance' of Goku in the 2nd Coming' Broly could have taken Gohan Trunks and Krillin.

[JulieYBM]

Yes, but Broli still lost against a couple of mangled Super Saiyans. In Movie Ten, Son was 7 years stronger than himself at the Cell Games and was at full strength. That adds a lot to the punchline.