Unique DBZ Related Beliefs and Opinions

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:56 am

Herms wrote:I've always thought the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai would have been the best ending point overall. I guess that's kind of unique.

I agree.

Thats why I agree with the Dragon Ball / Dragon Ball Z split, even in the manga. It just fells somewhat different from that point on.

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:47 pm

I always use the spellings Gokuh, Kulilin, Majin-Boo, Piccolo-Daimaoh, Kaioh, and Brolli. I think they look better that way, I guess. Also, I think I prefer the spelling Vegeto over Vegetto because it looks like it should be pronounced "vee-GE-toh".

Chuquita wrote:The name of the main villain in dbz movie 3, for me, will always be Turles. I just don't like the "Tullece" spelling. I also prefer to spell the movie 8 villain's name as Brolli. Funi's "Broly" spelling does not do it for me. >_<

I agree with your spelling of Brolli 100%. It makes more sense considering his name is based off the word broccoli. Don't they pronounce it "BROH-lee" in the Funimation dub? Lol.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:52 pm

I spell Broli, because there's only one L in broccoli.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:24 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:I always use the spellings Gokuh, Kulilin, Majin-Boo, Piccolo-Daimaoh, Kaioh, and Brolli. I think they look better that way, I guess. Also, I think I prefer the spelling Vegeto over Vegetto because it looks like it should be pronounced "vee-GE-toh".

Chuquita wrote:The name of the main villain in dbz movie 3, for me, will always be Turles. I just don't like the "Tullece" spelling. I also prefer to spell the movie 8 villain's name as Brolli. Funi's "Broly" spelling does not do it for me. >_<
I agree with your spelling of Brolli 100%. It makes more sense considering his name is based off the word broccoli. Don't they pronounce it "BROH-lee" in the Funimation dub? Lol.

Yep. They do that in the Japanese original too.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:31 pm

Am I the only one that thinks that names aren't always spelled as you'd expect them to be pronounced? I guess it makes more sense if you're using the pronunciation of the language the name comes from, usually, but yeah. People are always pronouncing my (real life) name incorrectly, but I don't go changing it to a phonetic spelling or anything.

Oh well. Not a jab at anyone, and it's not like it matters since the correct way to spell Japanese names would be in katakana, hiragana or kanji, so you can romanize them however you see fit. It was just a random thought.

Shoryuken · Post by **Shoryuken** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:28 am

yunzabit wrote:I see Dragonball as ending with the Freeza arc. There are obvious indications that DB should have ended here but Toriyama continued it.

Granted, some loose ends are left, like where is Goku, but I prefer this ending vastly over the alternative.

I wouldn't say there are that many loose ends, for one Goku's father is revealed and Goku is implied to be the legendary SSJ.
But it appears that after the Freezer arc, this unique trait was lost and then suddenly everyone could transform throwing the Once Every Thousand Years prophecy right out the window.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:32 am

Shoryuken wrote:
yunzabit wrote:I see Dragonball as ending with the Freeza arc. There are obvious indications that DB should have ended here but Toriyama continued it.

Granted, some loose ends are left, like where is Goku, but I prefer this ending vastly over the alternative.
I wouldn't say there are that many loose ends, for one Goku's father is revealed and Goku is implied to be the legendary SSJ.
But it appears that after the Freezer arc, this unique trait was lost and then suddenly everyone could transform throwing the Once Every Thousand Years prophecy right out the window.

It was only a legend to begin with. It's not like they broke a cosmic law by there being more than one. But if the series ended with Goku as the only one, that would have been fine too.

otakutrevan · Post by **otakutrevan** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:33 am

I will always think that Babidi's henchmen are given extremely way to much credit as far as their power leves.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:39 am

I never minded the multiple Super Saiyans and all that. "The Super Saiyan" was never that special to me. It always seemed more important that it was Goku who was exceptional, not some legendary transformation. That's part of why I didn't like the Cell saga. Gohan didn't prevail, his power did, spurred on by Goku.

That's also part why I think the 23rd Budokai would have been the best ending. There truly are no loose ends at that point, other than Piccolo being let off, but that's nothing really. Although I did like the idea in the Boo saga that it was the whole Earth's victory.

Ultimate_DB_Fan · Post by **Ultimate_DB_Fan** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:45 am

As I stated in another thread where I did the stupid thing of posting in it after it was inactive for 5 years...is that I'm a firm believer that DBZ should've ended after the Freeza arc. As cool as the later villains were, they weren't Freeza. Freeza was the only villain who wanted the Dragon Balls and didn't wanna destroy the universe, but be in control of it. Cell and Majin Boo specifically served the purposes of giving the Z-fighters problems, with the later intention of destroying the world. Where was Cell gonna go after annihilating earth?
I'll comment on my behalf that, imo, the Namek, Ginyu and Freeza arcs are the best portion of the Z series. Everything that Son Goku goes through on Namek, as well as the other characters, was absolutely brilliant. Viewers of the anime were probably thinking, "How is Goku gonna end up fighting Freeza?" Everyone knew in the back of their minds that at some point that battle was gonna happen, but the question was how. Add on the fact that if Goku never healed up in that tank after Ginyu fucked up his body, he never would've stood a chance against Freeza even when they were fooling around.
Sorry for the long post, it's just that I get all giddy when speaking of that period of Z.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:11 pm

Not sure how unique a view this is, but I think there wasn't a Super Saiyan before Goku. He was the first one.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:13 pm

Amigo Ten wrote:Not sure how unique a view this is, but I think there wasn't a Super Saiyan before Goku. He was the first one.

I think the Manga supports this, given that Vegeta's little monologue about the Super Saiyan legend really only takes place in the anime.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:18 pm

I wouldn't say the manga supported it exactly. It doesn't have Vegeta talking about the previous Super Saiyan, but the legend of one every 1000 years is still there (I think anyway).

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:39 pm

Amigo Ten wrote:Not sure how unique a view this is, but I think there wasn't a Super Saiyan before Goku. He was the first one.

This is why I was angry that Gotenks jumped from SSJ to SSJ3. Goku being SSJ3 meaning he's the LSSJ would have been perfect, even if it wasn't used to defeat Boo.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:06 pm

My belief is still that 'the legendary Super Saiyan' refers to the form, not a particular person.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:24 am

Over on MFG where these things get focused on more deeply, I've ended up compiling some interesting ideas about Broly's "Legendary" nature. I figure it might not deserve its own thread, so I'm'a give you a mini-essay here. Ready?

Being the "Legendary" Super Saiyan, in Broly's case, is not a specific transformation. It's a condition. It causes the Saiyan's power to constantly increase at an abnormally fast rate, which eventually pushes them into making the Super Saiyan transformation. Without being properly conditioned to handle this power (like what Goku and Gohan did through "mastering" Super Saiyan in the RoSaT), it will continue to overflow and push the individual's body farther than it can naturally handle, resulting in the appearance and characteristics of SSj Grade 3.

So essentially, Broly's "Legendary" state is just a glorified SSj Grade 3. That said, SSjG3 in itself is a flawed SSj2.

"But wait," you say! "Legendary Super Saiyan looks different than Grade 3 in a few ways!"

Yep. First detail is that in addition to muscle mass, Broly seems to grow a good deal taller. We've seen this in other characters, though, namely Muten Roshi and Garlic Jr. It seems like it's just something that can accompany that "bulk-up," and not necessarily something "special" limited to Broly.

Then there's his blanked-out eyes. Trunks showed this while he was powering up to SSjG3, but his eyes returned to normal after he finished and "leveled out." But what about Broly? Well, take a gander at was was happening to him in Movie 8. His power was continuously increasing as he was fighting, forcing him to actually eject some and waste it at one point. So what might this suggest? I think he's possibly in a state of "constantly powering-up," wherein even though his strength has leveled itself out, his Ki is continuing to swell and push itself to the surface. This places a lot of stress on his body, and like the bulged muscles, his eyes are a symptom of this.

Now, Raging Blast's developers have jumped on the Broly wank-wagon, and decided to give him Super Saiyan 3. Some folks have praised it as being a "Legendary SSj3," but I beg to differ. I think those signs of stress --the bulging muscles, the blanked-out eyes, etc-- have merely just carried over to Super Saiyan 3. Like before, this is a flawed version of the stage, like how his LSSj/SSjG3 is a flawed Super Saiyan 2. So while he apparently just grew in power so much that he now has crossed over and is showing SSj3 characteristics, Broly's body hasn't been properly trained to handle the power, and is suffering for it.

Phew, rant over.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:33 am

About Namek, I call it Namek arc and fight Goku vs Freeza/Freeza arc because it's so damn loooong in anime

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:08 am

Amigo Ten wrote:Not sure how unique a view this is, but I think there wasn't a Super Saiyan before Goku. He was the first one.

Without anybody having ever reached the SSJ form, I think that there wouldn`t be a legend of a SSJ at all.

Like there isn`t a legend concerning SSJ2 or SSJ3. Those forms were never reached before. Goku and etc discovered them all by themselves.

However, in order to exist the legend of the SSJ, its only natural that, sometime in the past, there was one who could reach it and, in time, it became a legend.

Its kind of hard to exist a legend with no basis at all that turns out to be true.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:20 pm

Bussani wrote:It's not like they broke a cosmic law by there being more than one.

When single-digit-age kids were achieving the legendary form by IMAGINA~TION, they might as well have.

Travis Touchdown · Post by **Travis Touchdown** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:14 pm

I never looked at USSJ or USSJ2 as different SSJ forms. I figured they were exactly the same as Master Roshi's "Full Power" form. Master Roshi was just pumping all of his ki into his muscles all at once. With SSJ, since you're constantly burning an enormous amount of ki to begin with, it makes doing this trick harder.

I always believed that Goku got his eyes and Raditz got his hair from their mother.

I've never once thought of Krillin as the strongest human. I always thought of Tien in that respect.

I always thought the reason behind Yamcha's reverse version of Goku's Kaio gi was because Yamcha trained with Krillin under Master Roshi during the three years before the Androids attack. The anime showed prior, he had the Kaio symbol on his back, being his most recent trainer. Then jump ahead three years, now the Kaio symbol is on the front and the Turtle symbol is on his back.

Also, I figured Yamcha switching back to just the turtle symbol was a goof on Toriyama's part since he admits to forgetting things often.

I always believed Arale survived Earth's destruction by Kid Buu & the explosion just catapulted her away from Earth and she just floated out there, thinking nothing of it, having fun until Earth reappeared.

You'll never convince me that Superman can take Goku. I believe Superman's only chance is if Goku fights in his base, then it would be even.

I think the best ending point for Z would have been the Cell saga. Everything was tied up quite nicely in the end.