Kibitokai (Kaioshin post-fuse) strength

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:18 pm

How much of a strength increase did Kabito Kai receive? They are supposedly very powerful even by themselves. I would think he would be stronger than SSJ1 Gotenks, seeings how Piccolo was afraid of them and yet he is still stronger than Trunks and Goten.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:27 pm

No telling.

All we know is they weren't much before they fused, according to Rou Kaioshin. I'd like to think Kibitoshin was considerably stronger, since he offered to fight alongside Goku against Super Boo 2.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:54 pm

"Kibito". There's no such character as "Kabito". Just sayin'.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:59 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:I'd like to think Kibitoshin was considerably stronger, since he offered to fight alongside Goku against Super Boo 2.

Neither Kibito nor Supreme Kai should be trusted whenever they say anything about strength.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:07 pm

Y'know, I'm not ever sure what this guy's name is supposed to be. Wasn't he still just called "Kaioshin?" Which was actually a title to begin with, not a name...

Rocketman wrote:Neither Kibito nor Supreme Kai should be trusted whenever they say anything about strength.

Agreed.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:08 pm

He was never given a name in the Manga.

Neither Kibito nor Supreme Kai should be trusted whenever they say anything about strength.

Even when mentioning he (The Kaioshins, including himself) could fell Freeza in a single attack?

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:55 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:He was never given a name in the Manga.

Neither Kibito nor Supreme Kai should be trusted whenever they say anything about strength.
Even when mentioning he (The Kaioshins, including himself) could fell Freeza in a single attack?

They never defeated Freeza, so, I guess not.

I think on the other hand that they became, at most, as strong as Perfect Cell before the Zenkai. I don't believe that either of them were above 2nd Grade Cell to begin with, and the scene with Piccolo being afraid is just bull.
Hell, even Vegeta wanted to know "how strong Piccolo had became".
The Kami in Piccolo gave him the goosebumps, that's it.
It's like a dog feeling scared of a human that hit him as a puppy, whilst he can handle the human perfectly as an adult. But the thought of fighting the human scares him.

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:28 pm

I just have a hard time believing that Goten or Trunks could actually defeat Kibito or Kaioshin without fusing. A fusion of Kibitoshin/kai/whatever you want to call it, would be somewhere in between a Gotenks and a Vegetto, albeit much closer to the Gotenks side. Also factor in that it is a Potara fusion, so it is supposedly more powerful.

I'm aware that the show doesn't imply at all that Kibitokai is that strong, i'm just using logic. Though that doesn't work nearly as often as it should in DB.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:43 pm

Kaioshin is pretty frickin' strong considering Piccolo admits to being nothing compared to him. I would guess the fusion is as strong as one of the Gotenks forms; enough to be redonk strong, but kind of too little, too late.

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:53 pm

That's along the lines of what I was thinking, but that would have made him more powerful than Vegeta, it woudln't make sense to stay behind and have an inferior fighter go in his place.
The final battle was really senseless though in a lot of ways. Gohan, Gotenks, and Kibitokai could have all helped a great deal against Buu, but only Vegeta and Goku make the final cut? SOMEONE could have shunkan ido'd over there and got them.

smiley · Post by **smiley** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:21 pm

I was thinking the other day, how, exactly did Kid Buu know where Goku and Vegeta were after he destroyed the Earth?

Doesn't that in a way imply that Kibito-Kai has enough Chi to be felt from that far away? Because we know SSJ Goku and Vegeta don't. That'd immediately put him somewhere between SSJ2 and SSJ3 Goku.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:23 pm

Kid Buu has fought and slaughtered Kaioshins before... he might have just known where to look for the strong people.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:23 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:
Neither Kibito nor Supreme Kai should be trusted whenever they say anything about strength.
Even when mentioning he (The Kaioshins, including himself) could fell Freeza in a single attack?

Nope. Supreme Kai was so completely uninformed, I wouldn't be surprised if he thought Freeza's first form was his only one.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:25 pm

Rocketman wrote:Nope. Supreme Kai was so completely uninformed, I wouldn't be surprised if he thought Freeza's first form was his only one.

That's all that 99.999% of the universe knew him as, so I wouldn't be surprised. Kaioshin doesn't seem like the type to stay informed of these things, unless they're Buu-related.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:51 pm

Rocketman wrote:Nope. Supreme Kai was so completely uninformed, I wouldn't be surprised if he thought Freeza's first form was his only one.

But since he punk'd Piccolo in a staring contest, its safe to say he would slaughter any version of Freeza in a single attack. He had enough power to blow up an energy beam that was going to take Gohan into space.

Yamcha_krillin · Post by **Yamcha_krillin** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:25 am

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:He had enough power to blow up an energy beam that was going to take Gohan into space.

He did that with magic not with raw power.His magic was showed to be miles above his raw power.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:40 pm

Dayspring wrote:Kaioshin is pretty frickin' strong considering Piccolo admits to being nothing compared to him. I would guess the fusion is as strong as one of the Gotenks forms; enough to be redonk strong, but kind of too little, too late.

Just like Kaioshin was terrified of Pui Pui and Yakon, who were obviously weaker before getting the Majin seal on their foreheads. They both could easily be taken care of by base Saiya-jins.
I think it's all about psychology, personally.

Wasted Wisher · Post by **Wasted Wisher** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:55 pm

This is completely guessing on my part, but I figure Kibitoshin (or whatever he's called) is probably strong enough to go up against Dabura. Kaioshin was considerably scared of Dabura before, but I get the feeling he could at least go toe-to-toe with him as Kibitoshin.

FistOfTheSun · Post by **FistOfTheSun** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:02 pm

You guys may think me severely doubting Kaioshins and Kibits strengths, but fused I say they'd by able to take down No. 16 at best.

Kaioshin was too caught with his own heavenly status to know anything relevant. With Cell's strength felt all the way to New Namek, I find it somewhat underwhelming that the God of Gods had no knowledge of his existence.
So his apparent lack of investigation skills lead me to believe his statement about Freeza was only about his First Form. Which, to be frank, isn't saying much. I mean, Piccolo (post Nail fusion) could have killed first form Freeza in one punch.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:04 pm

FistOfTheSun wrote:With Cell's strength felt all the way to New Namek, I find it somewhat underwhelming that the God of Gods had no knowledge of his existence.

That was filler, at least, so you can't blame Supreme Kai for it.