FUNimation Dragon Box Updates

[Innagadadavida]

But the Ocean dub is also "nostalgic".

I don't understand what you're missing. He's talking about his preference. He said FUNimation failed him.

I'm a bit confused about where the crazy idea that excluding the dub music is a "mistake" came from.

It doesn't belong there. If there's a stain on the bathroom wall, then it needs to be cleaned off, even if someone happens to think the shape of it is neat. FUNimation phasing the dub "music" out may make a handful of fans pissy, but it's a step in the right direction for treatment of the series itself.

Because not everybody agrees with you and sees the series in the same way. You may see it as the right direction but others don't. You treat it as if it being a "stain" is common knowledge, but it's not. It's just your opinion.

[jjgp1112]

I'm a bit confused about where the crazy idea that excluding the dub music is a "mistake" came from.

It doesn't belong there. If there's a stain on the bathroom wall, then it needs to be cleaned off, even if someone happens to think the shape of it is neat. FUNimation phasing the dub "music" out may make a handful of fans pissy, but it's a step in the right direction for treatment of the series itself.

All this really is is just opinion, though. Faulconer's music is a stain on the wall to you. The Faulconer music is part of the dub and part of Dragon Ball Z whether you like it or not. Yes, we all know that Funi even making it in the first place was a big mistake, but it's in the past, and we can't change the past. The score is a part of the history of DBZ and more importantly was in the show. A release that includes the dub but excludes the music that it uses is simply incomplete, especially when Funi calls it the DEFINITIVE release.

[MCDaveG]

I only request what Funimation has done or broadcasted. Excluding eps 1-54, 55-291, they themselves did and broadcasted on USA TV. So I at least expect all 3 audio tracks the ones they had from their widescreen ones to be on this one. This is a nostalgic track. Funimation has failed me.

but Faulconer's music & dub track isn't the proper way for DBZ to be at all....
It's not part of original Dragon Box and this US release is localization of Japanese Dragon Box, by adding subtitles and voice dub in english.

Imagine that they'll release Star Wars in Japan and instead of John William's amazing score will ad J-rock and Para Para Dance records.


Funimation failed me only with don't making whole new dub faithfull to the Japanese script.
Japanese even re-dubed Kai, which is edited Z and don't used to cut the original Z dub recordings....... It's the reason that they don't have money?? That's pretty cheap explanation and it's pretty cheap in my opinion....

[Gozar]

Sadly I guess no DBOX for me. Though I prefer the Japanese Music I still love the Faulconer music. I'm simply not willing to compromise that track. I guess my loyalties and preferences lie more so in the audio rather than the Video. It's a real shame. Guess I'm stuck with that cropped shit remaster that FUNimation had the audacity to call "The way it was meant to be seen". I am very disappointed by this turn of events.

Maybe I'll buy you the first set.

LOL, that'd kick ass.

But hell, maybe I'm overreacting. It's not like it's illegal to own both the DBOX and the FUNi Remasters.

[B]

There is no such thing as phasing something out.

I'm going to start a "Harmony Gold Dub Discussion" topic.

Oh, wait, there's almost as much information on that dub as there is on whether or not Gohan should have the ability to go SS in GT.

[Innagadadavida]

but Faulconer's music & dub track isn't the proper way for DBZ to be at all....
It's not part of original Dragon Box and this US release is localization of Japanese Dragon Box, by adding subtitles and voice dub in english.

Imagine that they'll release Star Wars in Japan and instead of John William's amazing score will ad J-rock and Para Para Dance records

It's absolutely mind boggling how people just refuse to understand that other people will enjoy the series in their own way. Whether it be with a score that doesn't fit the real tone, whether it be with an altered English "reversioning," whether it be with clown hats and eye patches.

Also, that's fine if Japan wants to do that. If that's what they want and the original creators/distributors don't object, whatever. It doesn't effect me because I won't listen to it. I ain't about to fuck up somebody's flow just cause it's not how I interpret it.

I'm going to start a "Harmony Gold Dub Discussion" topic.

Oh, wait, there's almost as much information on that dub as there is on whether or not Gohan should have the ability to go SS in GT.

Whiskers the Wonder Cat weeps as his legacy is forgotten.

[penguintruth]

Well, it's not a definitive release if it doesn't have the Ocean dub or Shuky Levi's music!

[jjgp1112]

but Faulconer's music & dub track isn't the proper way for DBZ to be at all....
It's not part of original Dragon Box and this US release is localization of Japanese Dragon Box, by adding subtitles and voice dub in english.

Imagine that they'll release Star Wars in Japan and instead of John William's amazing score will ad J-rock and Para Para Dance records

It's absolutely mind boggling how people just refuse to understand that other people will enjoy the series in their own way. Whether it be with a score that doesn't fit the real tone, whether it be with an altered English "reversioning," whether it be with clown hats and eye patches.

Also, that's fine if Japan wants to do that. If that's what they want and the original creators/distributors don't object, whatever. It doesn't effect me because I won't listen to it.

Yeah, seriously. Regardless of whether or not you think it should be there or not, a good chunk of DBZ fans enjoy his score.

Well, it's not a definitive release if it doesn't have the Ocean dub or Shuky Levi's music!

Except the Ocean Dub has nothing to do with Funi's dub. It stopped existing as far as Funi's concerned as soon as they switched over to their own cast.

[B]

Except the Ocean Dub has nothing to do with Funi's dub. It stopped existing as far as Funi's concerned as soon as they switched over to their own cast.

It didn't stop existing to the people who liked it. Y'know, kind of like how the Faulconer score won't to you, even though it's been exlcuded from the DBOX. I call faulty logic.

[Kaboom]

It's just your opinion.

All this really is is just opinion, though. Faulconer's music is a stain on the wall to you.

Ah, the "that's just your opinion" tripe already.

but it's in the past, and we can't change the past. The score is a part of the history of DBZ and more importantly was in the show. A release that includes the dub but excludes the music that it uses is simply incomplete, especially when Funi calls it the definitive release.

No, but we can change the future.

Excluding the misplaced dub music on a "definitive" release such as this shows that FUNimation is concerned and hopeful for the future of DragonBall, and is taking the right steps to correct past mistakes and bring us better-quality products from now on.

[Innagadadavida]

It's just your opinion.

All this really is is just opinion, though. Faulconer's music is a stain on the wall to you.

Ah, the "that's just your opinion" tripe already.

Because... it... is... your...... opinion.

[penguintruth]

Except the Ocean Dub has nothing to do with Funi's dub. It stopped existing as far as Funi's concerned as soon as they switched over to their own cast.

It didn't stop existing to the people who liked it. Y'know, kind of like how the Faulconer score won't to you, even though it's been exlcuded from the DBOX. I call faulty logic.

Exactly my point.


(Also, I actually wouldn't mind the Ocean dub's inclusion, but obviously I would never expect it or demand it.)

[jjgp1112]

Except the Ocean Dub has nothing to do with Funi's dub. It stopped existing as far as Funi's concerned as soon as they switched over to their own cast.

It didn't stop existing to the people who liked it. Y'know, kind of like how the Faulconer score won't to you, even though it's been exlcuded from the DBOX. I call faulty logic.

It won't stop existing to Funi until the DBox is actually in stores. And not only that, but if Funi was really killing off the Faulconer score, then they might as well have discontinued the remastered sets to prevent any sort of access to it.

It's just your opinion.

All this really is is just opinion, though. Faulconer's music is a stain on the wall to you.

Ah, the "that's just your opinion" tripe already.

Well, it is your opinion. You think it's a stain in the history of Dragon Ball Z. I think it's someone who's not an artists just making random brush strokes but it actually turning out to be great art.

[SSVegetto]

I only request what Funimation has done or broadcasted. Excluding eps 1-54, 55-291, they themselves did and broadcasted on USA TV. So I at least expect all 3 audio tracks the ones they had from their widescreen ones to be on this one. This is a nostalgic track. Funimation has failed me.

but Faulconer's music & dub track isn't the proper way for DBZ to be at all....
It's not part of original Dragon Box and this US release is localization of Japanese Dragon Box, by adding subtitles and voice dub in english.

Imagine that they'll release Star Wars in Japan and instead of John William's amazing score will ad J-rock and Para Para Dance records.


Funimation failed me only with don't making whole new dub faithfull to the Japanese script.
Japanese even re-dubed Kai, which is edited Z and don't used to cut the original Z dub recordings....... It's the reason that they don't have money?? That's pretty cheap explanation and it's pretty cheap in my opinion....

The Japanese audio score is the original first score for DBZ. But that doesn't mean others like the one from Kai or Funimation's score can't be better or better enjoyed by other people. And also a Background music track to me can't be argued which one is suppose to be the right one or the correct one. The script(dub)(dialogue) from the original manga, yes that one can be argued which one is more accurate.

But I merely talking about background music preference here. Music IS ALWAYS a preference. Actually, which got me thinking why didn't they put the original Japanese BGM in their Kai for an option on their DVD? They could have, oh well.

It's just your opinion.

All this really is is just opinion, though. Faulconer's music is a stain on the wall to you.

Ah, the "that's just your opinion" tripe already.

Well, it is your opinion. You think it's a stain in the history of Dragon Ball Z.

Exactly, and he wants it to be a fact. So we have to remind him it is an opinion. He saying his opinion like it is a fact. Which quite frankly is just ....

[jjgp1112]

I think the thing people aren't realizing is that Dragon Ball Z with the Faulconer music is the version of Dragon Ball Z that a lot of us identify the show as. When I think of DBZ, I think of DBZ with the Faulconer score.

[B]

But I merely talking about background music preference here. Music IS ALWAYS a preference.

Not in the context of the show. It's more than just music there; it's setting the mood and tone. Whethere you like it or not, the atmosphere of the entire show is thrown off in a different direction with Faulconer's composition and arrangement. The mere fact that it is so radically different is a problem.

I also don't really like this argument, since it reeks of "I'm not racist, my best friend is black!", but I do like certain Faulconer tracks by themselves.

[jjgp1112]

But I merely talking about background music preference here. Music IS ALWAYS a preference.

Not in the context of the show. It's more than just music there; it's setting the mood and tone. Whethere you like it or not, the atmosphere of the entire show is thrown off in a different direction with Faulconer's composition and arrangement. The mere fact that it is so radically different is a problem.

I think some people would even disagree with that. Hell, to me, and others, it enhances the mood.

[SSVegetto]

But I merely talking about background music preference here. Music IS ALWAYS a preference.

Not in the context of the show. It's more than just music there; it's setting the mood and tone. Whethere you like it or not, the atmosphere of the entire show is thrown off in a different direction with Faulconer's composition and arrangement. The mere fact that it is so radically different is a problem.

I also don't really like this argument, since it reeks of "I'm not racist, my best friend is black!", but I do like certain Faulconer tracks by themselves.

Very true, but if the music they put in there was depressing all the time to purposely mess up the mood. Then yes, that that would be a screw up. But you are over exaggerating, the Faulconer track doesn't mess up the mood for DBZ. And there is a lot of people that like his background music track.

Gohan fighting the Cell Juniors with Bruce Faulconer increased the intensity. Where as the Japanese Background music, there was pure silence. Two different moods , but both can work. I just prefer the intense action mood. But if they put in depressing mood song like someone died in that spot, then that wouldnt work. Otherwise, both tracks work either way and its a matter of preference.

[CashmanX]

Personally, I'm glad they got rid of the dub track. Especially since this is primarily aim at fans of the Japanese version.

Do you think that they are finally phasing out the dub track for good? As in, there won't be a dub track on Future releases?

[penguintruth]

I think the thing people aren't realizing is that Dragon Ball Z with the Faulconer music is the version of Dragon Ball Z that a lot of us identify the show as. When I think of DBZ, I think of DBZ with the Faulconer score.

And some people might identify it with the Levy score, so what? It's not the soundtrack of DBZ.