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Post by SSVegetto » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:07 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
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jjgp1112 wrote:Um, the Dragon Box discs are dual-layered. The Remastered discs were even dual layered.
I mean dual sided sorry about that.
I don't think Funi would make a dual-sided discs unless they were planning to actually do something meaningful with the feature.
Dude, I just told you what they would do with that feature. Have one side with the Japanese audio and Dragonbox Video + subs, than have the other side with Two English audios and Dragonbox Video. So that way there is no excuse for people saying that is the reason why they lost the extra track because of quality loss. See, they could have done it that way. My point is, it's just them being lazy to lose the extra track. Rather then people saying oh they just lost it because they didnt want to lose quality.

Well, if they cared about their fans and choose not to be lazy and have a 100% complete release. They could have thought of some other options. Such as the one I'm suggesting. So the video quality wouldn't be lost. There is probably more ways. But I just dont buy that excuse as to why they dropped the extra track.

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Post by jjgp1112 » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:13 pm

First of all, Double Sided discs get damaged easily, and I believe they don't even have that much more space in the first place.
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Post by VegettoEX » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:51 pm

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Post by RoarkVegeta » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:07 pm

Hellz yeah.









Hellz FUCKING yeah.

Glad Funimation opened their ears up.

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Post by email2003 » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:12 pm

ShinRogafuken wrote:Well, here's the deal on all this.

A- You're either happy because the video bit-rate will be better (and you may be a Japanese Original fanatic)
or
B- You're mad that there won't be a Bruce Faulconer track.

So what letter are you? I'm A.
A

I'm tired of the others complaining about the English track / BGM. Live with it. Us Hardcore fans are getting what we've been wanting for years!!

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Post by Ununbium » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:19 pm

I actually prefer the dub with the original music.
Better video bit-rate and both versions.
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Post by DemonRin » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:26 pm

I'm an A, but not because I'm happy the Faulconer track is gone. I was never a fan of the Faulconer track, but I see no problem in it being there since I wasn't even gonna pay any attention to it.

I'm just happy they only chose One Dub track so there won't be a drop in quality.

Honestly though, I don't think they eliminated the Broadcast dub track because they wanted to necessarily distance themselves from it or anything, I think it was just because they already have the Japanese score track mixed in 5.1 surround, and for the Broadcast track they only have what they did for the Ultimate Uncuts mixed in 5.1. FUNi as a general rule, Always includes 5.1 tracks on their releases now, and the easiest, least costly way of doing it is to use the Track thats already mixed in 5.1. Instead of putting so much money, work, and time into having to newly mix episodes 64-291 in a new Surround track with the Faulconer music.
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Post by Shiyonasan » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:31 pm

I'm A as well. As cool as it would have been to get the Faulconer dub track for nostalgic purposes, I would rather have a better bit-rate than to simply fulfill nostalgic desires.

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Post by ShinRogafuken » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:33 pm

What is up with all these Dragon Box arguments? Come on. This is going to be a great experience for most of us and some of you guys are kinda messing up the moment if you know what I mean.

Don't like the fact that the Dragon Box won't have Bruce Faulconer's music? HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF8viHUFnpA (It's not that hard, people).
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Post by Innagadadavida » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:34 pm

Well I'm glad that the video track will not suffer, and if I absolutely had to drop one audio track, I'd drop the Falconor stuff no trouble at all. My problem is that FUNimation could have made everybody happy by including just one more disc in the package and the extra audio track.

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Post by B » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:40 pm

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Post by FuniYamcha » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:54 pm

I'm not trying to be a dick and instigate things, but I don't see why people keep saying "go back to the season sets, then" in response to the faulconer fans. If the season sets weren't of inferior quality visually, then we wouldn't have needed Dragon Boxes here to begin with. So the Faulconer crowd just wants the same visual quality of the Dragon Box. I would consider that logical.

Of course, in my opinion I think the best course of action would have been redubbing the show completely, with new script and all, and putting that on. Call me crazy, but when I hear the current english dub, I don't take it seriously, therefore I *like* Faulconer's track on there because it enhances that. It's like those of us who watch movies like The Fast and The Furious because of the unintentional hilarity of the soundtrack and over the top acting. Of course, that's also why I'd like a serious version, hence the redubbing/rescripting thing.
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Post by ShinRogafuken » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:11 pm

FuniYamcha wrote:I'm not trying to be a dick and instigate things, but I don't see why people keep saying "go back to the season sets, then" in response to the faulconer fans. If the season sets weren't of inferior quality visually, then we wouldn't have needed Dragon Boxes here to begin with. So the Faulconer crowd just wants the same visual quality of the Dragon Box. I would consider that logical.

Of course, in my opinion I think the best course of action would have been redubbing the show completely, with new script and all, and putting that on. Call me crazy, but when I hear the current english dub, I don't take it seriously, therefore I *like* Faulconer's track on there because it enhances that. It's like those of us who watch movies like The Fast and The Furious because of the unintentional hilarity of the soundtrack and over the top acting. Of course, that's also why I'd like a serious version, hence the redubbing/rescripting thing.
This may seem a bit harsh, but if Faulconer fans want the same visual quality as the Dragon Box, they really need to accept the Japanese version and get over it. Why can't they understand that its not the real soundtrack to Dragon Ball Z?

Prefering it is one thing, but on my video when I announced that, I got comments like the one below, for an example:

"TOEI made a huge A HUGE mistake not including bruce faulconer music. They probably lost over a 4th of the number of people who were orginally going to buy it. I'm not buying it anymore. They really fucked up the DBOX. this is not a definite dvd anymore. now they have another excuse to cash in more money when they release yet another dvd series with everything including. what a shame" (lol notice he said Toei not FUNi)

And of course we know that MANY people have one adjective to describe the Japanese score: gay.

I respect their Bruce Faulconer preference. But I don't like their disrespect for the Original Version and music. So they need to quit whining about the Dragon Box.

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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:21 pm

Oh no, I'm sure many of them (Gozard, jj) know Kikuchi's music is the proper music, they just want their nostalgia track along with the best possible footage.


The thing is, this release is so overly "FOR THE JAPANESE FANS" an 'American music track'...doesn't to fit on the set, styistically.
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Post by ShinRogafuken » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:22 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Oh no, I'm sure many of them (Gozard, jj) know Kikuchi's music is the proper music, they just want their nostalgia track along with the best possible footage.
Believe me. That's a big minority.

Oh, and no offense to the guy, he's actually a friend, and is pretty cool, here's his reply to when I said FUNi did it and not Toei.

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well my apologies then. WHY WOULDN'T FUNIMATION PUT THEIR OWN MUSIC ON THE DVD. that is the stupidest thing ever. fuck it, I'm not buying this dbox anymore. i understand that u guys like the jap music better but man all those childhood memories i have with Bruce's music. I gotta go lie down.... FUCK FUNIMATION AND THEIR GAYASS DECISIONS"

I do respect the childhood memories part, but come on. Well anyways, here's what a good example of the non-Daizex (since all of you are more well-informed) Bruce Faulconer score fan's reactions.
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Post by MarcFBR » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:27 pm

I've largely stayed out of the argument recently due to computer issues, but I decided to go ahead and log in because some people need a few things explained (and apparently didn't listen to my explanation on the podcast, but I'll be adding a few new things here.)

1- Double sided disks are not an option. That nearly doubles production time, production cost, etc. So instead of 6 disks, they are making 12.

2- This specific issue would not be fixed by making the set 7 disks. In the cast of audio tracks, while most people are concerned about 'total' size on the disk, the real concern is that DVD has a limited amount of data it can have on a track. More audio tracks means less bitrate the video can use, regardless of how many episodes are on a set. As I said months ago on the podcast, I always expected 2 audio tracks, and in general was not worried about quality with the disk numbers, and was far more concerned if they decided to add a 3rd track.

3- Back to the 'oh noes, Dragon Ball was cropped'. Always knew it'd be this way, anyone who didn't needs to pay better attention to what we all know about the masters Funimation has gotten for DB/Z in the past. The issue has never been the 'raw' issue of cropping, but rather if cropping is necessary, to do it correctly (up until the digital animation era EVERYTHING was cropped to some degree, it was known by the animators of the era, and they planned the animation as such in regards to that by default due to overscan on TVs of that era that there would be a degree of visual cropping, different from TV to TV. This is part of why Funimation's nonsensical ramblings about the 16:9 cropping never made sense to fans with technical knowledge on the subject.)

4- And I've mentioned this on twitter... First I'll go ahead and ignore and not state any of my opinions on the dub music here (do I like it, do I hate it? WHO KNOWS?!)

Dragon Ball Z, as it aired on American television is fully available as aired, at the proper aspect ratio, with the video and audio as fans of that version remember.

Especially in regards to the early episodes of DBZ, there was never going to be a Dbox version of those episodes.

Original Dub Music- Saban
Funi moves to in house, further music- Faulconer
Early episodes done with new dub music, generally based on Faulconer's music/style, which is what is on the bricks as the 'broadcast music', even though it wasn't

So this first set, 100%, if all you care about is video quality, you are 2 generations away from that original dub music.

For those who don't care about the English music at all, this makes it 3rd generation 'I don't give a shit'
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Post by SparkyPantsMcGee » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:36 pm

I know this is too much to expect but who's to say they didn't re-dub the series for the Dragonbox? Call me crazy but removing the Falconer dub seems to be a sign of them covering up their mistakes in the past, you know in terms of how they need to handle certain animes, so what if they went and did a loyal redub for the series?

This is highly unlikely I'm sure, but think about how long its been since the original announcement and the announcement of the inclusion of the dub. Plus there is no news of the second box set being released any time soon which gives them time to re-dub the series as they release each set.

What do you guys think?
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Post by ShadowDude112 » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:39 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:I know this is too much to expect but who's to say they didn't re-dub the series for the Dragonbox? Call me crazy but removing the Falconer dub seems to be a sign of them covering up their mistakes in the past, you know in terms of how they need to handle certain animes, so what if they went and did a loyal redub for the series?

This is highly unlikely I'm sure, but think about how long its been since the original announcement and the announcement of the inclusion of the dub. Plus there is no news of the second box set being released any time soon which gives them time to re-dub the series as they release each set.

What do you guys think?
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Post by MarcFBR » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:41 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:I know this is too much to expect but who's to say they didn't re-dub the series for the Dragonbox? Call me crazy but removing the Falconer dub seems to be a sign of them covering up their mistakes in the past, you know in terms of how they need to handle certain animes, so what if they went and did a loyal redub for the series?

This is highly unlikely I'm sure, but think about how long its been since the original announcement and the announcement of the inclusion of the dub. Plus there is no news of the second box set being released any time soon which gives them time to re-dub the series as they release each set.

What do you guys think?
I've attempted to come up with a detailed explanation why this isn't even possible, including quotes from actors (and flaws in logic and reality in your post itself), but I feel the best response is...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.... 'wipes brow' oh man, great laugh there


and once again... there is NO Faulconer music for this portion of the series period.
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Post by SSVegetto » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:42 pm

VegettoEX wrote:SSVegetto: You are completely out-of-line, clearly speaking from little-to-no technical experience, and are on a nearly-single-handed path to your own permanent ban and the locking of this thread.
Please explain, how do you know I don't have no technical experience? I do, I make my own dvd stuff all the time. Perhaps you can explain to me in detail of what you are talking about? I don't know why you choose to pick on me and threaten me at the same time. You don't know me personally. And I just find that incredibly insulting. What exactly am I out of line about?

I'm practically done stating my opinion about this stuff anyways starting on page 8. DBZ isn't my life.

What's done is done. But I always feel personally insulted from you all the time. Like you hate me. Like you are belittling me. Like you know more than me, or you think I'm talking out of my ass. But you didn't explain what exactly I was wrong about. Dual Sided discs <--- yes thats possible. What other things have I stated that you think I don't know crap about?
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