FUNimation Dragon Box Updates

[SSVegetto]

Actually, you could almost say it is. It's something we've judged Dragonball releases by for over 5 years, never imagining we'd get a release of the things ourselves. It isn't just a release to us, it represents something, a new start, FUNimation turning over a new leaf, so to speak. A few dub fans are going to be hurt in the process, and that really is a shame, but as I've said, this is focusing on the Japanese fans (as the pretty much said when it was announced) , the Faulconer track simply does not belong on this release, dispite anybodys opinions.
That just seems to be the way it is, it's a shame you won't give the set a chance, if you really tried, the Japanese audio may win you over (it really is a masterpiece in my opinion), but it sounds like you've already given it that chance.

The only problem I have with your statement. "the Faulconer track simply does not belong on this release, dispite anybodys opinions."

Can you explain why? As I said before, I think really adding stuff on the Dragon Box doesn't defy it. Only removing what it had such as the special menus, Japanese audio, etc.

The Faulconer score was their main broadcast on TV. So how could you say it doesn't belong on there? It just doesn't make sense to me.

I think what you are getting at is, this should resemble the Japanese Dragon Box as much as possible. Because it is a pride thing. So adding anything thing else on to it, is a disgrace to it. I think that is a selfish pride thing you having going there with the Dragon Box.

If it resembled it 100%, there would be no English subtitles, only a Japanese track. Would that bother you?

It's like no one has the right to watch the English audio with the Bruce Faulconer track with Higher quality 4:3 remastered quality. This doesn't even have to do with the Dragon Box, I think people simply hate that track so bad, they don't want other people to watch it. I just think that is selfish. Or maybe prideful. Don't get me wrong, being prideful about a release is a good thing to have, but not when it's down right belittling other people's preferences as the wrong choice.

I mean I hate to call you selfish for that statement. But that is the only thing I can gather from that statement you just made. Hell, I'm willing to even call a truce if you would have just said, I think it would be awkward and out of place if it was on there. Which is what you said before. I'm willing to accept that as an opinion. But this statement just down right seems a little bit selfish.

[Sshadow5001]

Funimations Dragonball release used the japanese BGM and i loved it, I'm sure the Dragonbox will provide me with more of its awesome music.

there are a few moments throughout DBZ where I will miss the Faulconer music (Mostly between Ginyu and Trunks Saga) but i already have some old DVD's with that music aswell as my old Video Recordings if I ever miss the music.

all in all I can't complain and eagerly anticipate its arrival.

[Kaboom]

I think point was in that the DragonBox is a step in the right direction for FUNi's treatment of the series as a whole. Things like the dub music tracks were all done for the wrong reasons in the first place. Replacing the music is simply not something that is done with a good dub. It's a mistake. An extraneous one.

FUNimation is correcting that mistake. It's entirely appropriate for them to do so, especially on a release that's aimed at fans of the Japanese version anyway. A few dub fans who have grown to have a fondness for that mistake may suffer, but it's for the greater good, and may just have to be dealt with.

[SSVegetto]

I think point was in that the DragonBox is a step in the right direction for FUNi's treatment of the series as a whole. Things like the dub music tracks were all done for the wrong reasons in the first place. Replacing the music is simply not something that is done with a good dub. It's a mistake. An extraneous one.

FUNimation is correcting that mistake. It's entirely appropriate for them to do so, especially on a release that's aimed at fans of the Japanese version anyway. A few dub fans who have grown to have a fondness for that mistake may suffer, but it's for the greater good, and may just have to be dealt with.

Well, that is a good point though. Newer animes now always use the Original Japanese BGM(Correct me if I'm wrong). It's bizarre trying to think what if the Bruce Faulconer track was never made and the Original BGM was the one used. I guess nobody would be complaining.

[Lazyking]

One other thing, just because you haven't or don't like the show in Japanese doesn't diminish your fandom for Dragonball and anybody who says differently is an arrogant asshole.

When the English version of the show is hardly the same show, it does.

Can you call a Robotech fan a Macross fan?

I can't speak on your second comment because I've seen neither show.

Look, I don't know japanese,so it's really hard for me to understand what their saying. I dislike subtitles but when I get the dragon box i will watch it that way for a new experience.

I didn't watch fansubs, mainly cause I didn't have access for it.

Yes the american version is different but like I said before I love dragonball and some who will call me not a hardcore fan, are just wrong.

[Rory]

The only problem I have with your statement. "the Faulconer track simply does not belong on this release, dispite anybodys opinions."

Can you explain why? As I said before, I think really adding stuff on the Dragon Box doesn't defy it. Only removing what it had such as the special menus, Japanese audio, etc.

The Faulconer score was their main broadcast on TV. So how could you say it doesn't belong on there? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Because if this is a set which caters toward the Japanese/Videophile audience, then really, what purpose does Faulconers track serve on a released which is geared towards the fans of the Japanese version, especially when it endangers the quality of the footage (the other main point of the release).?

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

The only problem I have with your statement. "the Faulconer track simply does not belong on this release, dispite anybodys opinions."

Can you explain why? As I said before, I think really adding stuff on the Dragon Box doesn't defy it. Only removing what it had such as the special menus, Japanese audio, etc.

The Faulconer score was their main broadcast on TV. So how could you say it doesn't belong on there? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Because if this is a set which caters toward the Japanese/Videophile audience, then really, what purpose does Faulconers track serve on a released which is geared towards the fans of the Japanese version, especially when it endagers the quality of the footage (the other main point of the release).

You forgot to mention that Falconers music was never part of the original series. Now a days it unheard of to add new BMG over the original music.

Look if you want my opinion on Falconers music here it is. Falconer's music was fitting for that point in time when anime was fresh and companies didn't know how to handle the situation. Now a days things are different and Animes are handle with a lot more respect. Why shouldn't Dragonball get the same respect?

I'm a fan of Falconers music but its only for nostalgic reasons(which I'm sure is the case for most people) but there are so many outlets for fans of his work. This is the one time America gets to see Dragonball the way it was shown in Japan. Its being handled with such high respect, so regressing back to Falconer would only hurt Funimation's progression as a respectable company.

I'm not saying the music is bad so don't think of it in that light, but its time has past, its time to move on and it's time to look at Dragonball in a new light. Who knows, you might end up liking the original music. Getting mad that Falconer's music isn't there is only going to further hurt your experience with the Dragonbox. So don't dwell on whats not there and just enjoy what is.

[jjgp1112]

The problem is that the dub is on the set. And the Faulconer music is what was used in the dub. It's simply being inconcisive to not include what was part of the freaking dub. The dub w/ Japanese score was pretty much a "NEW AND EXCITING!" feature added to the remastered sets. But the dub and the Faulconer music go hand in hand.

[NeptuneKai]

The problem is that the dub is on the set. And the Faulconer music is what was used in the dub. It's simply being inconcisive to not include what was part of the freaking dub. The dub w/ Japanese score was pretty much a "NEW AND EXCITING!" feature added to the remastered sets. But the dub and the Faulconer music go hand in hand.

Yeah I can't help but to agree with you there. If you're going to have a dub track you may as well give it dub music because it will probably only be listened to by dub fans.

[Raki]

The problem is that the dub is on the set. And the Faulconer music is what was used in the dub. It's simply being inconcisive to not include what was part of the freaking dub. The dub w/ Japanese score was pretty much a "NEW AND EXCITING!" feature added to the remastered sets. But the dub and the Faulconer music go hand in hand.

Not anymore according to Funimation.

[jjgp1112]

The problem is that the dub is on the set. And the Faulconer music is what was used in the dub. It's simply being inconcisive to not include what was part of the freaking dub. The dub w/ Japanese score was pretty much a "NEW AND EXCITING!" feature added to the remastered sets. But the dub and the Faulconer music go hand in hand.

Not anymore according to Funimation.

Which doesn't make sense in the first place. I mean, Jesus, do I have to clarify every single thing I'm saying to the 10th degree just so people can understand?

[Raki]

The problem is that the dub is on the set. And the Faulconer music is what was used in the dub. It's simply being inconcisive to not include what was part of the freaking dub. The dub w/ Japanese score was pretty much a "NEW AND EXCITING!" feature added to the remastered sets. But the dub and the Faulconer music go hand in hand.

Not anymore according to Funimation.

Which doesn't make sense in the first place. I mean, Jesus, do I have to clarify every single thing I'm saying to the 10th degree just so people can understand?

I read your previous post. It's kinda a shame that Funi doesn't really agree with their previous stance. Although removing Falcouner's score is a step ahead, it really is a step back. Listening to the dub with Japanese BGM only exposes how bad the dub really is.

[Rory]

The problem is that the dub is on the set. And the Faulconer music is what was used in the dub. It's simply being inconcisive to not include what was part of the freaking dub. The dub w/ Japanese score was pretty much a "NEW AND EXCITING!" feature added to the remastered sets. But the dub and the Faulconer music go hand in hand.

Or maybe it's not? Perhaps this is the way FUNimation wants to go with the series? Heck, they've been spouting out "they way it was meant to be seen", and "completely uncut" for years now, perhaps they've planned on phasing out the US score the whole way through the Dragon Boxes production?
The dub just seems to be changing, jjgp1112, it's gone through a lot of changes in the past, (musical changes -a lot of them-, voice actor changes) maybe this is just another change. Also, the reasoning of the Faulconer tracks being dropped is pretty simple:
A release geared to the Japanese crowd, the Japanese track is an obvious choice, but it needs an American track, because it's being sold there, do we pick:

A)The music which was used during the original broadcast, which is wildly different to the Japanese track.
B)The original Japanese soundtrack with dubbed voices

Like I say, I'm sorry that your personal favourite was cut, but it really seems clear why they did it at this point, I don't see the need to discuss it any further.. unless anybody else has anything valuable to say, in which case, please go ahead.

Although removing Falcouner's score is a step ahead, it really is a step back. Listening to the dub with Japanese BGM only exposes how bad the dub really is.

100% Agreed. The constant music does seem to drown out some of the awkward screams and grunts from the characters in the dub (listen to Vegeta going Super Saiyan infront of #19 and #20, it sounds like you're listening to some kind of porn). If it was all redubbed, then I really wouldn't mind, but due to the fact that it's FUNimation in their early days.. well, it doesn't sound flattering at all.

[penguintruth]

I think we're just arguing in circles now.

I suppose the point of the folks who think the Faulconer score should be on the set is, "Wine can't be unspilled after it's been spilled." That is, they feel that since the Faulconer score already exists, whether or not it was the originally intended soundtrack, it's already out there, and is already a part of the DBZ experience in North America. Therefore, it belongs on the set, too.

And the opposing view is, since the Faulconer score was just replacement music, and it's improper to have replaced the music to begin with, it should be seen as a mistake, and corrected by removing it entirely, regardless of its popularity.

And the various forms of both arguments are being laid out over and over again.

[jjgp1112]

The problem is that the dub is on the set. And the Faulconer music is what was used in the dub. It's simply being inconcisive to not include what was part of the freaking dub. The dub w/ Japanese score was pretty much a "NEW AND EXCITING!" feature added to the remastered sets. But the dub and the Faulconer music go hand in hand.

Or maybe it's not? Perhaps this is the way FUNimation wants to go with the series? Heck, they've been spouting out "they way it was meant to be seen", and "completely uncut" for years now, perhaps they've planned on phasing out the US score the whole way through the Dragon Boxes production?
The dub just seems to be changing, jjgp1112, it's gone through a lot of changes in the past, (musical changes -a lot of them-, voice actor changes) maybe this is just another change. Also, the reasoning of the Faulconer tracks being dropped is pretty simple:
A release geared to the Japanese crowd, the Japanese track is an obvious choice, but it needs an American track, because it's being sold there, do we pick:

A)The music which was used during the original broadcast, which is wildly different to the Japanese track.
B)The original Japanese soundtrack with dubbed voices

Like I say, I'm sorry that your personal favourite was cut, but it really seems clear why they did it at this point, I don't see the need to discuss it any further.. unless anybody else has anything valuable to say, in which case, please go ahead.

The problem is that the dub stopped being produced 5 years ago. There's nothing new to add to it. All they can do is take things away from it. The only legitimate change you can make to it is modifying certain voices to remove any discrepancies from a consistent release. You can say all of this stuff about Funi trying to change their reputation and all of that, but the simple fact is that the dub has been complete for many years now. Trying to change it simply doesn't make any sense.

I suppose the point of the folks who think the Faulconer score should be on the set is, "Wine can't be unspilled after it's been spilled." That is, they feel that since the Faulconer score already exists, whether or not it was the originally intended soundtrack, it's already out there, and is already a part of the DBZ experience in North America. Therefore, it belongs on the set, too.

There it is! Right there, people! That's what we've been trying to say the whole time! Jesus...

[Bussani]

There it is! Right there, people! That's what we've been trying to say the whole time! Jesus...

Your mistake might be assuming that people disagree with you just because they don't understand how you feel. It's possible to understand your point of view, but to disagree with it.

[linkdude20002001]

I don't understand why this deserves to be argued about. Funimation decided that they could only put one English audio track on the Dragon Box Z, so obviously they're going to use their newer, 5.1 surround track. Really, people are just arguing about nothing. They used the track that had the Japanese music because it was in 5.1 surround. Had the TV broadcast version been in 5.1 surround (and had it been the default track on the season sets), I think it would've been used on the Dragon Box Z. But, since Funimation has been slowly moving away from using their own music in DBZ, and towards using the original music, it was obvious which they'd choose if they had to pick only one.

[Raki]

There it is! Right there, people! That's what we've been trying to say the whole time! Jesus...

Your mistake might be assuming that people disagree with you just because they don't understand how you feel. It's possible to understand your point of view, but to disagree with it.

Indeed. I would like for everyone to be pleased but not a cost of video quality.

[penguintruth]

I think I'm actually coming around to jjgp1112's way of thinking on the matter, though.

I mean, if they were going to completely redo the dub, that would be one thing, use the Kikuchi score. But the dub as it is, was pretty much made to have the Faulconer score in it. It's already a pretty big difference in experience between the Japanese and English version, at this point, why attempt to correct it?

By adding the Kikuchi score to the dub, you only point out how different the two versions are, and neither the fans of the Japanese or English version will be comfortable with it. It's sort of a freak product.

It's an interesting thing to think about. Since they aren't going to be redubbing the show anytime soon, I'm just going to sit on the sidelines and watch the show in Japanese with subtitles.

[JulieYBM]

It's a two step process. Once they eventually do a new dub for the series, people (re: future fans) will already have fond memories of the original music.