Die-hard dub fans (why are you, if so?)

[penguintruth]

*cough*Chi-Chi*cough*

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I think the dub is absolutely terrible.

But yes, filler DOES change personalities. It takes a woman who cares about her son and is slightly silly, to a RIDICULOUS one track mind.

It exaggerates her slightly, and only for the purpose of the filler. It doesn't intrude into the canon material.

[laserkid]

Like the dub changes, its not a lot, but its so frequent that it DOES in fact change her.

[penguintruth]

It's a ridiculous comparison. The anime contains everything the manga laid out, personalities and all, with little dialogue alteration, if at all.

It doesn't paint the characters in as different a light as parts of the dub do.

[SSJ2bardock]

It doesn't paint the characters in as different a light as parts of the dub do.

For the most part the characters are the same. Nit picking.

[penguintruth]

It doesn't paint the characters in as different a light as parts of the dub do.

For the most part the characters are the same. Nit picking.

Nit picking? When a character's dying words are practically begging for forgiveness when they were intended to be a speech about pride? When a character's words about being "the hope of the universe" in the dub contradicts the intended lack of sophistication of the character's personality, and when originally intended to merely be a declaration of what that character had become that frightened their enemy? When lame puns and "cool" jargon are inserted into the dialogue of characters who aren't really likely to say those sort of things?

Oooh, here's one. Let's entirely miss the point of Freeza's personality, that he speaks smoothly and carries himself as some well-mannered, albeit evil guy, though of course he can explode with rage. Let's instead turn him into a creepy transvestite who hits on his enemies and makes jokes about things he could possibly not have any frame of reference for ("Pop goes the weasel!")!

It may be nitpicking to mention each individual incident, but they add up.

Granted, the Funimation's script improved slightly as they went into the later sagas (but only in certain areas), but it doesn't feel all that much like the original series, at least not in the way most English dubs these days feel simply like their original Japanese versions, but with English speaking characters.

If you think the difference between the DBZ dub and the Japanese version is the same as the Japanese version of, say, Death Note, is with its English dub, you're sorely mistaken.

[TheGreatness25]

Isn't this about dub fans? So why are we arguing about original vs dub in here? I mean doesn't that already take place on most of the Forums? Every music and DVD release Thread turns into this as it is.

Anyways, I don't see what the big deal about Frieza is. I mean yeah, the jokes were ridiculous, but he didn't exactly hit on his opponents in the dub. And why a transvestite? His Japanese voice had that hint of gay slur (at least that's how it comes off to someone who doesn't speak Japanese) and the dude does have lipstick, as well as feminine features (body type and the way he poses, etc.). So everyone defends Goku being voiced by a woman, but when the American version of Frieza is voiced by a woman, suddenly he's a tranny and the entire character takes a downward spiral? I don't know about this one.

[Innagadadavida]

So everyone defends Goku being voiced by a woman, but when the American version of Freeza is voiced by a woman, suddenly he's a tranny and the entire character takes a downward spiral? I don't know about this one.

There's a valid explanation for the casting of Goku in the original Japanese version. Not so much with Freeza in the dub.

[TheGreatness25]

The dude wore lipstick and had very female-esque movements, as well as having a bit of a stereotypical homosexual slur to his speech (at least for Americans)... Plus, the Saban/Ocean/old FUNimation dubs had Frieza cast by a female and they tried to imitate the previous voices because yeah, nobody would be able to figure out that they were changed. So I guess in their mind it made total sense. Now whether or not King Cold made sense is another issue... "Mmm I love your sword... May I...touch it please? Mmm yesss... Such craftsmanship..." Cooler's voice was cool though.

[penguintruth]

So everyone defends Goku being voiced by a woman, but when the American version of Freeza is voiced by a woman, suddenly he's a tranny and the entire character takes a downward spiral? I don't know about this one.

There's a valid explanation for the casting of Goku in the original Japanese version. Not so much with Freeza in the dub.

This.

Freeza is a distinguished gentlemen tyrant, who even refers to his lackies with proper honorifics. Hell, even Vegeta. Of course, this veneer peels off in battle with Goku, but by then he is absolutely enraged.

Goku is voiced by the same Japanese VA as he was as a child because he's a manchild, it suits his personality.

It is pretty funny, though, that in one version Goku is voiced by a woman and Freeza by a male, but it's the opposite in another version.

[SSJ2bardock]

If you think the difference between the DBZ dub and the Japanese version is the same as the Japanese version of, say, Death Note, is with its English dub, you're sorely mistaken.

I didn't say that. I'm simply pointing out that it doesn't change the show to the degree that you're making it out to.

Freeza is a distinguished gentlemen tyrant, who even refers to his lackies with proper honorifics. Hell, even Vegeta. Of course, this veneer peels off in battle with Goku, but by then he is absolutely enraged.

Is Freeza still the tyrant overlord of the Namek events? Check. Does he still kill Kuririn and trigger Goku's transformation? Check. Does he still destroy the planet and battle Goku in the conclusion of the arc? Check.

Seems like they've got everything important covered to me.

[Kaboom]

I'd say the basic plot is the same, but a lot of the characters are very different, and that effects other things. Changing a character's motivations and personality means changing lines. Changing lines means changing conversations. Changing conversations means changing exposition and plot progression. So on and so on.

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

Cooler was the only one to be given a good voice actor.
Anyway, I viewed episodes 171-177 tonight with the Funi dub, and I gotta say that it wasn't so bad. That newscaster flicking his middle finger at Cell helped in showcasing that it's not always bad viewing something (in this case, DBZ), dubbed but uncut.
a lot of the Funi cast said corney things while performing, but it was okay because the filler that happened before Goku takes his first step into the Cell ring was corny anyway.

[penguintruth]

Is Freeza still the tyrant overlord of the Namek events? Check. Does he still kill Kuririn and trigger Goku's transformation? Check. Does he still destroy the planet and battle Goku in the conclusion of the arc? Check.

Seems like they've got everything important covered to me.

Subtleties and eccentricities are what separate interesting, compelling characters from generic ones. Guess which the Funimation versions are?


(I think Funimation does a little better with the movies, aside from all that crappy band music they play instead of the Kikuchi score... if I wanted a bad AMV, I'd go to YouTube.)

[SSJ2bardock]

When they're kicking each others asses on the epic scale that only Dragonball has, it doesn't matter what language they're speaking or what they're saying. The fighting is what matters to me and if I have to choose between a language that I don't understand at all and one that I speak natively, I'll take the native language all day. Screw the subtleties, I want to see someone get their ass kicked and watch a mountain explode because that's Dragonball.

I'll leave it at that because I can see the thread is getting derailed, so feel free to retort and get the last word in.

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

I always thought Schemmel sounded more natural in the movies as opposed to his voice work pre Boo.

[Dr. Casey]

When they're kicking each others asses on the epic scale that only Dragonball has, it doesn't matter what language they're speaking or what they're saying. The fighting is what matters to me and if I have to choose between a language that I don't understand at all and one that I speak natively, I'll take the native language all day. Screw the subtleties, I want to see someone get their ass kicked and watch a mountain explode because that's Dragonball.

Well, even assuming that stance, there is quite a bit of downtime in Dragon Ball Z. I think a good quarter of the episodes don't involve much fighting.

[penguintruth]

When they're kicking each others asses on the epic scale that only Dragonball has, it doesn't matter what language they're speaking or what they're saying. The fighting is what matters to me and if I have to choose between a language that I don't understand at all and one that I speak natively, I'll take the native language all day. Screw the subtleties, I want to see someone get their ass kicked and watch a mountain explode because that's Dragonball.

Well, even assuming that stance, there is quite a bit of downtime in Dragon Ball Z. I think a good quarter of the episodes don't involve much fighting.

I have a feeling SSJ2bardock has his finger on the fast forward button a lot.

Hell, even I do. There's only so many times you can see reaction faces. (It's one of the reasons I have such trouble watching One Piece!)

[SSJ2bardock]

Not necessarily fast forwarding, but I don't put as much into the story as some people may.

[Metalwario64]

Really if Goku ONLY cared about fighting strong enemies, he would have accepted Raditz's proposal.

That's why it severely irks me when people jump on the "Hate Goku Bandwagon" and say things like "OMG Hez da most selfish person in the whole world and he is fucking evil and cruel!!! He only cares about himself and his fighting and no-one else!!!"

God damn it. These debates get out of control because you can't respect someone enough to talk to them rationally.

When I said, Goku's tinge of selfishness adds masterfully handled depth to the character, how did this turn into OMG HSAOISFJOSIJOEJF!!!!!

I'm trying to rationaly talk about this and all I'm getting is trolling from you and Crockadile Rock.

I'm talking about subtle depth here that's obviously lost on you dub fans that want to scream and rant at the top of your lungs.

Huh? I wasn't saying anything directed towards you...

I agree with you as well; he is just ever so slightly selfish, and it really is just another dynamic to his character.

What I was saying was that there are people who make him out to be this entirely selfish bastard who only cares for himself and how he is the "most selfish person evar!!1"

[isucamper]

Dude, Metalwario was adding on to what you said and more importantly, AGREEING WITH YOU.

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