Die-hard dub fans (why are you, if so?)

B · Post by B » Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:14 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:While we're talking about current dub, I just wanna throw out the "Goku's dad's a brilliant scientist" and "It's okay I see their parachutes" type stuff. That is nowhere near current dialog but it's being recycled as if it hasn't been remedied since.

"Brilliant scientist" was fixed.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:00 pm

I know. Tha'ts what I'm saying. So were all the references to people living when they should be dead. All of that was fixed. But people still bring those examples up as if they're written in stone...at least in the dub version.

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:05 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:I know. Tha'ts what I'm saying. So were all the references to people living when they should be dead. All of that was fixed. But people still bring those examples up as if they're written in stone...at least in the dub version.

I don't see anyone who still really believes any of that is relevant. It was just really hilariously bad back in the day and, nowadays, it's fun to bring it up and laugh at the bad censorship during the Saban days. No one really thinks those lines are still an issue.

As far as I've EVER seen.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:06 pm

I always see it being brought up lol And it is funny. I'd have a huge laugh if one of these days, if Akira Toriyama writes somewhere that Bardock was in fact a brilliant scientist who created artificial moonlight lol

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:29 pm

They were making weird script choices well into the Buu Saga.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:34 pm

penguintruth wrote:They were making weird script choices well into the Buu Saga.

Sometimes changes can be good. Personally, I thought the bit of the kids writing their names was funnier than seeing how far they could shoot.

B · Post by B » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:49 pm

Quite possibly, the greatest change ever is in the re-dub of the very first episode(might have been in the original dub, I dunno).

Goku explains to the Kame House folk how Chichi wants Gohan to study and not be a brute or whatever. Turtle Sage exclaims, "Ha! So that little Chichi has become a super-mama!" Again paraphrasing.

In the dub, Goku's schpeel is left as-is, however, Roshi instead says, "Careful, Gohan! That crab's a sore loser!" He is referring to the fact that while Goku is talking, Gohan is playing Rock Paper Scissors with a crab, who he obviously was able to beat by choosing "rock." The crab, pissed off, sprays bubbles in Gohan's face.

Now, let's look at the original line. "So, little Chichi's a super-mama now!" Do we necessarily NEED to know this? Goku just explained this, so Roshi is basically being redundant here. Also, thanks to anime filler, we see pretty damn soon how much of a "super-mama" Chichi is, making this one random line Roshi utters nothing more than the arbitrary ramblings of an old hermit.

Then there's the FUNi line. "Careful, Gohan! That crab's a sore loser!" It's clearly referring to an established act going on in the scenery. It's not some stupid, straight-outta-left-field line about popping weasels or bean daddies. It pretty much takes what was a subtle attempt at comedy and brings it into the limelight, making it arguably funnier.

If there ever is a redub of Z or a new dub of Kai, I want that line the same.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:48 pm

For the record, I'm not trying to insult the dub by pointing out the differences, but these differences do exist in large numbers in the dub. I have tried very hard to NOT include stuff from the saban dub, since it was redubbed, but if I have to only compare to the redub of seasons 1 and 2, that loses all meaning of comparing them. The dub is a whole, not just the last things they did.

I pointed out the difference in Roshi's speech because it's omnipresent, I pointed out the usage of slang, because it's all over the dub too. I didn't mention a specific one because it's all sorts. The point of pointing that out is that's not in the original, but it's all over the dub. I find it funny people are complaining about my Yamcha comparison, considering that of the ones I've done so far, he's the one the dub got closest to correct. I'll tell you what, I'll wait on Kuririn, and do someone that's much more accurate in the dub. I'm not exactly doing this to insult people, just show differences.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:49 pm

penguintruth wrote:They were making weird script choices well into the Buu Saga.

I actually loved the "people popcorn" bit.

It shows that, even in the middle of a crisis, Goku still has that childish charm.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:53 pm

laserkid wrote:I'll wait on Kuririn, and do someone that's much more accurate in the dub. I'm not exactly doing this to insult people, just show differences.

Somebody accurate in the dub... hm... oh, how about Gohan?

I mean, except for a few instances, I found they got Gohan pretty dead on, as far as scripting.

My biggest issue with dub Gohan was his explosion into Super Saiyan 2, where they had him inner monologuing about 16's death before he transformed, where in the original it's "Day of Destiny" starting up to the sounds of birds chirping, and he says nothing.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:12 am

Gohan's not who I had in mind, but this character is. Behold, Bulma. Granted, she's sort of hard to mess up with how FUNi treated everyone else. But hey, when it works, it works.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:23 am

I don't know, I felt like Bulma felt dumber in the Funimation dub, and they gave her a lot of lines she didn't originally have. She didn't try to "cool it up" in the Japanese like in the dub. It didn't help that Tiffany Vollmer made her into a valley girl.

"Hey, homeboy!"

But, I guess she's still a pretty shrill bitch in either. I still love her, though.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:30 am

penguintruth wrote:It didn't help that Tiffany Vollmer made her into a valley girl.

"Hey, homeboy!"

That's only really in Season Three; it phases out immensely during Season Four.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:31 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
penguintruth wrote:It didn't help that Tiffany Vollmer made her into a valley girl.

"Hey, homeboy!"
That's only really in Season Three.

That phases out immensely during Season Four.

I don't know, she still sounds pretty "valley" to me in the Dragon Ball dub.

Not that Ocean's Bulma was that great, either. Sort of flat, really. Easier to listen to in the movies.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:35 am

penguintruth wrote:I don't know, she still sounds pretty "valley" to me in the Dragon Ball dub.

Well, if it is, then it's very subtle. I mean, she won't go "Season Three" on us and be like "Liek ohmahgawd I totally bwoke a Nail!!"

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:38 am

WHOA.

Whoa.

Ok, laserkid, usually I'm ok with whatcha gotta say, but Bulma? She got screwed up some' the worst.

Originally, she was prissy and a little caught up with herself, but she was intelligent, understanding, mostly considerate, and moderately mature.

In the dub she's loud, talks with terrible valley girl speak, LITERALLY says "I have no idea what that part does" in one scene where she OBVIOUSLY should, is incredibly mean to everyone and has no consideration for others. It's even there in the first two season redubs.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:43 am

See, I could have sworn she felt stupider in the dub. Is it because they add a lot of lines to the dub? Funimation has a problem with silence.

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:11 am

I've gotten my significant other into DB recently, and we've been watching it from the beginning of DB. Since I haven't picked up the Season set yet (I still think they might do a Dragon Box release eventually) we're stuck watching with what I had available, which was the dub (Yes, I bootlegged it, but as those first 13 Eps are only JUST NOW available in the US, I had good reason)
So we've been watching the dub for those episodes, and She says Bulma annoys the hell out of her. and she can't Stand Her. I told her she isn't really present during the 21st Budokai arc and she said "Good!".

So Dub Bulma IS annoying...

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:29 am

Well, maybe Bulma just annoys her in general. I know I've found myself irritated by her now and then, even in Japanese.

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:10 am

penguintruth wrote:See, I could have sworn she felt stupider in the dub. Is it because they add a lot of lines to the dub? Funimation has a problem with silence.

They add a lot of her complaining and being otherwise a total stuck up pain in the dub where, in the Japanese version, she was merely pushy and a bit bossy, though well meaning and rather intelligent. The American version makes her out to be a total bitch who just happens to be good with electronics.