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[penguintruth]

And I swear, the next time somebody says "YOU'RE WATCHING A DIFFERENT SHOW!" when criticizing the dub I'm going to lose my mind.

Well, it is. Maybe not entirely different, but it's certain more than the difference between the usual English dub and the original Japanese version of an anime.

It's more like the difference between, say, Space Battleship Yamato and Starblazers. No, it's actually more different.

But, actually, I'm not opposing the inclusion of a dub on the Dragon Box at all. I would have thought it bizarre for them not to include one. Fans of the dub want to have the same access to DBox footage, too. Personally, I would have preferred they went through and made some changes to the dub, but I doubt they would do as much at this point, except for, perhaps, a Kai release.

I'm just glad Funimation is taking steps to treat DBZ for what it is, not for what it isn't.

[Sebastian (SB)]

I think that's a major problem in the Dragon Ball (and anime) fanbase, in general. You either come off as some dub elitist or sub elitist, so it's sometimes really difficult to have a level headed opinion. In Dragon Ball's case, there's a strong segregation as well. Personally, I think it needs to stop.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Has it never occurred to you guys that maybe this stuff just doesn't matter to some people as much you all think it should.

Apparently it matters to some people, since they've posted as much. I'm simply saying, regardless of whether you care or not, it's goofy to dismiss subtitles for most of the reasons given here. I mean, if you can't understand emotion or tone in a foreign language, you probably can't do so in any language.

And seriously, we're talking DragonBall. It's not a psychological thriller with a ton of $5 words. So don't tell me you get tripped up reading the subtitles. It's a show for children.

And I swear, the next time somebody says "YOU'RE WATCHING A DIFFERENT SHOW!" when criticizing the dub I'm going to lose my mind.

Sorry. It simply is. I don't care if you want to compare any number of similarities, it simply is a different show. When you change names, dialogue, music, plot lines, characterizations...well, where do you draw the line before it gets recognized as a different entity? And moreover, why would people be upset? Dub fans make a point of emphasizing the differences anyway.

-Corey

[SSJ2bardock]

Sorry. It simply is. I don't care if you want to compare any number of similarities, it simply is a different show. When you change names, dialogue, music, plot lines, characterizations...well, where do you draw the line before it gets recognized as a different entity? And moreover, why would people be upset? Dub fans make a point of emphasizing the differences anyway.

What I meant was that the show isn't this completely unrecognizable mess that it's so often made out to be. I saw the entirety of the show dubbed first, but I also have seen it entirely subbed too and while watching it subbed not one time did I think to myself, "Hey that's not what I remember happening".

And as far as why the alterations to some characterizations don't matter to me? Well, you just answered that yourself.

And seriously, we're talking DragonBall. It's not a psychological thriller with a ton of $5 words. So don't tell me you get tripped up reading the subtitles. It's a show for children.

[Adamant]

Eh, honestly, the dub fans should be happy the dub exists in the first place. Yes, Dragon ball is a children's show, so there's rational reasons for a dub being produced for the sake of the kids, but the people arguing the loudest aren't kids, and the Dragonbox is certainly not aimed at kids.

Dubs cost money to produce, so logically just licensing the series and releasing it with subtitles should (yeah, note the "should") make for less costly home releases. Instead, those who want to just see the series, subtitled, have to pay extra to finance the production of an altered version they have no interest in. In addition, this altered version is the one being broadcast on TV if that's the case with the series/movie, which means the fans of the actual series, not the altered version, are the ones who need to buy the home releases in order to see it.

Seriously, these people are not in the position to bitch.

[B]

I saw the entirety of the show dubbed first, but I also have seen it entirely subbed too and while watching it subbed not one time did I think to myself, "Hey that's not what I remember happening".

... Why would you? You've clearly stated things like Vegeta's death scene or inner monologues to gap silence don't really matter to you.

[Commander_Red]

I guess I'm the only one who thought that "domestic release of the Dragon Box" and "we're not gonna change a thing" meant no dub at all...

I guess you don't want subtitles either then?

I'll never understand why some people take that damn phrase 100% literally and want the release to be exactly like the Japanese release. In that case, you don't want subtitles or anything else that could possibly affect the bitrate.

At the start of the thread there were a few people surprised at Funi's comment that the dub was an "afterthought". I was just saying I guess I'm the only one that thought they might have actually been contemplating a sub only release. That's all.

[SSJ2bardock]

I saw the entirety of the show dubbed first, but I also have seen it entirely subbed too and while watching it subbed not one time did I think to myself, "Hey that's not what I remember happening".

... Why would you? You've clearly stated things like Vegeta's death scene or inner monologues to gap silence don't really matter to you.

First of all what you're referencing to when I said this, I did not mention these two scenes specifically as you've so clearly stated I have, so please please please stop quoting me on things I didn't say. It's the second time you've done it today.

And the point I was trying to get across was that if the show was as drastically different as people make it out to be then I would have noticed. Just because it doesn't matter to me doesn't mean I wouldn't notice.

[MajinVejitaXV]

What I meant was that the show isn't this completely unrecognizable mess that it's so often made out to be. I saw the entirety of the show dubbed first, but I also have seen it entirely subbed too and while watching it subbed not one time did I think to myself, "Hey that's not what I remember happening".

Which is amusing, since when I first watched the show dubbed (I saw the 'Ocean' episodes, then about up to SSJ Goku give or take before transitioning to the Japanese fully) I found myself with a puzzled look at quite a few points. And I was a kid at that point (16 years old or so), so it's not like I was an adult who was over-analyzing.

To me, honestly, it's like this: Localization works two basic ways. You either try to stay as close as you can to the original, or you go completely on your own while keeping some semblance of the main plot (see: Working Designs). I can enjoy both personally, it's just that FUNimation seemed to always get confused about which they wanted to go with (sometimes they'd nail the occasional scene, using pieces of dialogue the Japanese-version fanbase had repeated forever...then the next episode it'd be back to business as usual). And that seems to trickle down to the fans, who want their version to be seen as "the same thing" when it really, really isn't.

And as far as why the alterations to some characterizations don't matter to me? Well, you just answered that yourself.

And again I reach that whole point of, "Why are people posting when they're apathetic?"

-Corey

[B]

First of all what you're referencing to when I said this, I did not mention these two scenes specifically as you've so clearly stated I have, so please please please stop quoting me on things I didn't say. It's the second time you've done it today.

And the point I was trying to get across was that if the show was as drastically different as people make it out to be then I would have noticed. Just because it doesn't matter to me doesn't mean I wouldn't notice.

They're legitimate examples of mischaracterization and altered tone. They are cut form the same cloth that you claimed to not be bothered to care about(paraphrasing, I believe your exact words were "they don't matter," but I don't see the difference, so feel free to explain the difference between "it doesn't matter to me" and "I don't care.") Whether you noticed or not, hey are completely different scenes.

I also don't get your animosity towards me.

[laserkid]

You didn't notice Gohan inner monologuing during his SSJ2 transformation Vs. a shocked silence, or Vegeta dying telling Goku to kill Freeza Vs telling him how he was used?

No offense dude, but you're not very observant. The dub changes a LOT OF THINGS. Now, I won't tell you you have to watch the show subbed, but I will say that your statment there makes you look ignorant of how different the original and the dub are.

In your defense on another issue - while I personally have no issue reading subs these days it is an aquired skill. When I first read subs, it was also very difficult for me because it was so alien to how I viewed things. It didn't take long, or much effort TO get it down, but it isn't a natural born in skill, so guys please lay off the "you have to be retarded to not read subs" thing. It's not hard, but it takes a little trial and error to get down, its easy to forget this once you've been doing it for so long.

[SSJ2bardock]

I also don't get your animosity towards me.

Because you've quoted me on things that I haven't said multiple times in the past week or so. There's a difference between paraphrasing and just straight making shit up to help your argument.

You didn't notice Gohan inner monologuing during his SSJ2 transformation Vs. a shocked silence, or Vegeta dying telling Goku to kill Freeza Vs telling him how he was used?

No offense dude, but you're not very observant. The dub changes a LOT OF THINGS. Now, I won't tell you you have to watch the show subbed, but I will say that your statment there makes you look ignorant of how different the original and the dub are.

I didn't notice them because they weren't important. Gohan still transformed, fought, and killed Cell in the dub did he not? People make it out to seem like Gohan having a monologue is as drastic as them changing it to Cell winning.

[MajinVejitaXV]

I didn't notice them because they weren't important. Gohan still transformed, fought, and killed Cell in the dub did he not? People make it out to seem like Gohan having a monologue is as drastic as them changing it to Cell winning.

So...what lines of dialogue were important in the series?

-Corey

[SSJ2bardock]

I didn't notice them because they weren't important. Gohan still transformed, fought, and killed Cell in the dub did he not? People make it out to seem like Gohan having a monologue is as drastic as them changing it to Cell winning.

So...what lines of dialogue were important in the series?

-Corey

The fighting.

The thread clearly isn't about the Dragonboxes anymore though, so I'm going to stop here.

[MajinVejitaXV]

So...what lines of dialogue were important in the series?

-Corey

The fighting.

Well, you've definitely given me motivation to take you seriously. In the meantime:





Edit: Get it? It's got a dual meaning because SSJ2bardock's answer indicates he didn't read my post, and because this thread has turned into a debate over subtitles? I don't mind explaining the jokes. ;p

-Corey

[JulieYBM]

I didn't notice them because they weren't important. Gohan still transformed, fought, and killed Cell in the dub did he not? People make it out to seem like Gohan having a monologue is as drastic as them changing it to Cell winning.

So...what lines of dialogue were important in the series?

-Corey

The fighting.

Wow...that's demeaning to genuinly good dialogue throughout the entire series.

[Dr. Casey]

Bardock... during its early stages, Dragon Ball was not a fighting series. The first 20 or so episodes have very little fighting. It is not until the 21st Greatest Under the Heavens Tournament begins that fights gain more emphasis.

[SSJ2bardock]

@Majin

I did read your post. What I said was supposed to emphasis that the dialogue takes a backseat to the action and fighting for me.

Glad to see that you guys are keeping it professional and not taking personal shots though.

[Dr. Casey]

Bardock... do you not admit that the very first summoning of Shenron was an amazing moment? It was a moment of pure drama and raw emotion that did not require the first fist to be thrown.

[MajinVejitaXV]

@Majin

I did read your post. What I said was supposed to emphasis that the dialogue takes a backseat to the action and fighting for me.

...doesn't that completely invalidate anything you've said about the whole sub/dub argument then? If the dialogue has no weight to you, I mean (which is the implication).

Glad to see that you guys are keeping it professional and not taking personal shots though.

I was unaware that this was a professional forum, I thought it was about a cartoon

Truly though, my reply was as respectful as yours. I don't see where you get off taking the "high and mighty" approach.

-Corey