Die-hard dub fans (why are you, if so?)

mystic trunks · Post by **mystic trunks** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:39 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
mystic trunks wrote:
m121akuma wrote: Actually, there really isn't. At all. It's actually one of the more civil posts in the thread.
Yes. And it sure as hell is pompous.
It continues to appear that when you simply don't like something, it's "sarcastic" and "pompous". That's not how the world works, my friend! It's pretty clear that unless I specifically say "mystic trunks is a pretty cool guy, and by the way, I really love FUNimation's dub!"... you're not going to be happy.

And that's really no concern of mine.

You don't have to kiss someones ass to respect their opinion.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:35 pm

penguintruth wrote:
verto wrote:Whats all this about preferring the dub automatically being nostalgia? I grew up with the Ocean dub, I HATE it, the voices are terrible in my opinion. I genuinely enjoy what FUNi has done with the show.
The Funimation voices are nearly all bad impressions of the Ocean voices, though. Chris Sabat is doing an impression of Brian Drummond and Scott McNeil. Sean Schemmel is doing an impression of Ian Corlett. Linda Young is doing an impression of Pauline Newstone. They never grew into their own interpretations, they were just doing impressions the whole time.

You would have something there if it were still 1999.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:49 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
penguintruth wrote:
verto wrote:Whats all this about preferring the dub automatically being nostalgia? I grew up with the Ocean dub, I HATE it, the voices are terrible in my opinion. I genuinely enjoy what FUNi has done with the show.
The Funimation voices are nearly all bad impressions of the Ocean voices, though. Chris Sabat is doing an impression of Brian Drummond and Scott McNeil. Sean Schemmel is doing an impression of Ian Corlett. Linda Young is doing an impression of Pauline Newstone. They never grew into their own interpretations, they were just doing impressions the whole time.
You would have something there if it were still 1999.

Well, they still evolved from that. Sabat wouldn't sound like he does now if he wasn't initially trying to imitate Drummond.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:59 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
penguintruth wrote:
verto wrote:Whats all this about preferring the dub automatically being nostalgia? I grew up with the Ocean dub, I HATE it, the voices are terrible in my opinion. I genuinely enjoy what FUNi has done with the show.
The Funimation voices are nearly all bad impressions of the Ocean voices, though. Chris Sabat is doing an impression of Brian Drummond and Scott McNeil. Sean Schemmel is doing an impression of Ian Corlett. Linda Young is doing an impression of Pauline Newstone. They never grew into their own interpretations, they were just doing impressions the whole time.
You would have something there if it were still 1999.

Except that none of them really evolved, so it might as well be 1999. Especially Schemmel's Goku and Sabat's Piccolo. Sabat's Piccolo sounded awful from the moment he first voiced him until the last time. A generic, lifeless version of Scott McNeil's.

With Gohan, at least they gave him a new VA when he grew up, so I didn't have to grit my teeth through Naldony's awful Saffron Henderson impression any longer.

Chris Sabat's Vegeta is the only one that changed significantly, and to be honest, I still prefer Drummond's halting, pointed way of speaking, because it makes Vegeta sound smug and arrogant, the way he should. Sabat's Vegeta just sounds butthurt.

And some characters, like Yamcha, Tenshinhan, King Kai, and the like, never got good dub voices, in either English dub. It's like they just dragged in folks who weren't busy in the Funimation offices those days to do those voices.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:09 pm

penguintruth wrote:Sabat's Vegeta just sounds butthurt.

Explain.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:26 pm

penguintruth wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:
penguintruth wrote: The Funimation voices are nearly all bad impressions of the Ocean voices, though. Chris Sabat is doing an impression of Brian Drummond and Scott McNeil. Sean Schemmel is doing an impression of Ian Corlett. Linda Young is doing an impression of Pauline Newstone. They never grew into their own interpretations, they were just doing impressions the whole time.
You would have something there if it were still 1999.
Except that none of them really evolved, so it might as well be 1999. Especially Schemmel's Goku and Sabat's Piccolo. Sabat's Piccolo sounded awful from the moment he first voiced him until the last time. A generic, lifeless version of Scott McNeil's.

With Gohan, at least they gave him a new VA when he grew up, so I didn't have to grit my teeth through Naldony's awful Saffron Henderson impression any longer.

Chris Sabat's Vegeta is the only one that changed significantly, and to be honest, I still prefer Drummond's halting, pointed way of speaking, because it makes Vegeta sound smug and arrogant, the way he should. Sabat's Vegeta just sounds butthurt.

And some characters, like Yamcha, Tenshinhan, King Kai, and the like, never got good dub voices, in either English dub. It's like they just dragged in folks who weren't busy in the Funimation offices those days to do those voices.

All of this is just your personal opinion. And not only that, but Sabat's Piccolo sounds MILES different now from how it was in Season 3 and especially sounds different from anything Scott Mcneil ever did.

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:49 pm

penguintruth wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:
penguintruth wrote:The Funimation voices are nearly all bad impressions of the Ocean voices, though. Chris Sabat is doing an impression of Brian Drummond and Scott McNeil. Sean Schemmel is doing an impression of Ian Corlett. Linda Young is doing an impression of Pauline Newstone. They never grew into their own interpretations, they were just doing impressions the whole time.
You would have something there if it were still 1999.
Except that none of them really evolved, so it might as well be 1999. Especially Schemmel's Goku and Sabat's Piccolo. Sabat's Piccolo sounded awful from the moment he first voiced him until the last time. A generic, lifeless version of Scott McNeil's.

With Gohan, at least they gave him a new VA when he grew up, so I didn't have to grit my teeth through Naldony's awful Saffron Henderson impression any longer.

Chris Sabat's Vegeta is the only one that changed significantly, and to be honest, I still prefer Drummond's halting, pointed way of speaking, because it makes Vegeta sound smug and arrogant, the way he should. Sabat's Vegeta just sounds butthurt.

And some characters, like Yamcha, Tenshinhan, King Kai, and the like, never got good dub voices, in either English dub. It's like they just dragged in folks who weren't busy in the Funimation offices those days to do those voices.

While I agree with you that many of these started out as impressions, Sabat's Piccolo has evolved into a better voice over time. Furthermore it never sounded like he was trying to impersonate Scott McNiel's at any point, I think. Furthermore, Sean's Goku has become far less grating and better acted.

Still don't like Sabat or Sean as any of the characters they play, but that's my personal opinion. As for Tenshihan, Yamcha, and King Kai, I think Yamcha had a pretty decent Ocean voice, while Tenshinhan is all around acceptable in FUNi's DragonBall.

Oh, but you do have a point about their voice selection in a way. They were literally scrambling to get actors at first, literally hiring first-timers and running with it.

SSJ2bardock wrote:
penguintruth wrote:Sabat's Vegeta just sounds butthurt.
Explain.

I do have to agree with penguin here. The portrayal of Vegeta in the dub is bitter and almost whiny. The Japanese version is also bitter, but he's more self-imposed, very caught up in the idea of regaining his seat, rather than bitching about it. Though, again, the Japanese has his fair share of it as well. The dub just takes that and runs with it.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:59 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:I do have to agree with penguin here. The portrayal of Vegeta in the dub is bitter and almost whiny. The Japanese version is also bitter, but he's more self-imposed, very caught up in the idea of regaining his seat, rather than bitching about it. Though, again, the Japanese has his fair share of it as well. The dub just takes that and runs with it.

That would go against the writers then and not the actor, would it not?

Wait, isn't Sabat one of the writers... damn it.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:02 pm

I don't hear any difference in Sabat's Piccolo over time. It made my ears bleed the first time I heard it and it still does now.

Strangely, his voice actually suits Piccolo's father, Piccolo Daimao, but when we get to Ma Junior, it's just awful. Perhaps that isn't so strange, though, since in Japanese, those two characters had two different VAs to begin with.

Sabat's Vegeta has improved over time, but it still just sounds like a bitter, raspy whining.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:03 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
KaiserNeko wrote:I do have to agree with penguin here. The portrayal of Vegeta in the dub is bitter and almost whiny. The Japanese version is also bitter, but he's more self-imposed, very caught up in the idea of regaining his seat, rather than bitching about it. Though, again, the Japanese has his fair share of it as well. The dub just takes that and runs with it.
That would go against the writers then and not the actor, would it not?

Wait, isn't Sabat one of the writers... damn it.

The only thing Sabat wrote was Movie 8...which had one of the most accurate DBZ dub scripts.

penguintruth wrote:I don't hear any difference in Sabat's Piccolo over time. It made my ears bleed the first time I heard it and it still does now.

Strangely, his voice actually suits Piccolo's father, Piccolo Daimao, but when we get to Ma Junior, it's just awful.

Sabat's Vegeta has improved over time, but it still just sounds like a bitter, raspy whining.

Season 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV_VuabeBfE

DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi (2005):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns3vjxWtDts

You have to seriously be BSing me if you say you don't see any difference.

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:26 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
KaiserNeko wrote:I do have to agree with penguin here. The portrayal of Vegeta in the dub is bitter and almost whiny. The Japanese version is also bitter, but he's more self-imposed, very caught up in the idea of regaining his seat, rather than bitching about it. Though, again, the Japanese has his fair share of it as well. The dub just takes that and runs with it.
That would go against the writers then and not the actor, would it not?

Wait, isn't Sabat one of the writers... damn it.

Oh, I certainly don't hold it against the actor. The actor did his JOB, and he did his job better and better over time. I love Chris Sabat. But I do hold it against the voice director and the voice itself. Also, Barry Watson. God I hate Barry Watson. And Terry Klassen. But that's hardly relevant...

Also, just watched those clips for comparing Piccolo, and GOOD LORD. Even MY King Kai is better than that, and I'm imitating it! o.O;

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:32 pm

Yeah, Schemmel wasn't too good as King Kai in the beginning. It's tolerable now as he does it with more of a raspy voice, but at first it sounded like a combination of him doing a bad imitation of an old man and the flu. I actually remembered hearing something about Sean Schemmel being a little under the weather during the Season 3 recordings.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:32 pm

Outside of Freeza and Kaio-sama, I like most of the dub voices.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:37 pm

Those two Piccolo clips had him sounding about the same: a bland, generic gruff voice with no character to it, other than loudness.

Ultimate_DB_Fan · Post by **Ultimate_DB_Fan** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:41 pm

I agree with the sentiment that Sabat sounded bad as Piccolo in the beginning, but I feel he eventually got better. I never had a problem with Sabat's Vegeta and I never will. In fact, I never had a problem with any of the va's with the exceptions of Freeza and Mr. Satan. I can't stand Funi's voice actor for Satan, I just think he's the utter worst next to Young.
As for Funi's in-house dub back in season 3, yeah, they were bad, but it's not like they stayed that way until the end, contrary to what others think.

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:42 pm

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:I agree with the sentiment that Sabat sounded bad as Piccolo in the beginning, but I feel he eventually got better. I never had a problem with Sabat's Vegeta and I never will. In fact, I never had a problem with any of the va's with exceptions of Freeza and Mr. Satan. I can't stand Funi's voice actor for Satan, I just think he's the utter worst next to Young.
As for Funi's in-house dub back in season 3, yeah, they were bad, but it's not like they stayed that way until the end, contrary to what others think.

Huh, funny, see... I have an issue with almost all the voices, EXCEPT for Mr. Satan and most of the characters in the Buu arch. I think Mr. Satan is one of their best cast, actually.

Ultimate_DB_Fan · Post by **Ultimate_DB_Fan** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:47 pm

Whatever floats your boat.

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:51 pm

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:Whatever floats your boat.

Well, good sir, my boat floats...

ON THE BLOOD OF MY ENEMIES!

Also water.

...

BTW, in that old clip of the dub, did anyone else notice that Vegeta says, "Cut the crap." ? So, he went back, redubbed his VEGETA lines... but not his sub-par Piccolo lines? Eh, whatevs.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:52 pm

I do see a difference between his Freeza Saga performance and the one for Tenkaichi Budokai, but far as the anime goes, I remember his voice in the Buu saga being pretty much the same as it was for Namek. But yeah, by 2005 I agree that he'd improved.

And hell yeah, Kunzait.

I've been a fan of Phantasy Star IV since I played it around... I dunno, July or August of 1999? I was either 11 or 12. I've never liked Magus much, I've always considered him a very bland, generic character. Far as Phantasy Star goes I've always liked pretty much all the characters except maybe Raja (Who I'm mostly indifferent to even though everyone else loves him so much). Kyra's definitely unsung in my opinion, she doesn't get much attention (Maybe because she's introduced so late) but I've always liked how bright and cute she is.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:54 pm

Well, if we're throwing around opinions, I still think Sabat's Vegeta is pretty bad. I guess I just don't like his approach to the character at all. To me, he's like what Nozawa is to dub fans. I can't stand to hear him after a while. He sounds like a generic Saiyan grunt, rather than one of high nobility or class, as so claims to be. Granted his vocal performance gradually became better over time, but I generally don't agree with his approach of Vegeta's potrayal. I got more annoyed when he did the Dragon Box promo. It only reaffirmed why I didn't like his Vegeta in the first place. Never had a problem with his Piccolo though. As a voice actor, I think he's generally solid in his other roles (Kuwabara, Zoro, etc.,).