Cell's Genki-Dama Claim

[Godo]

And Vegeta didn't splatter Goku's brain across the desert.

We could argue on why Goku didn't get any brain damage from all that pounding.
Scientifically, his bones can only reach a cerain density and so can his muscles until they break his bones from contraction.
So there is only a limited amount of protection his skull can give his brain.
What is your scientific theory?

Can you also explain how in the hell they can conserve so much energy and throw them as "ki" blasts?

[IncompetentOverlord]

'Chi' is not energy at all per se, but rather a representation of a person's metaphysical essence in the physical world, excreted through the cells. Being hit with a chi blast severs bonds between the body and the theoretical spirit. Keep in mind that the spirit I am referring to is not the soul that goes to the afterlife. It is the quintessential self that exists outside of anything in existence. When the bonds between this and the body are cut, the body is damaged because of the passing of the chi from our universe back into the spirit. Among other things, this theory suggests that Cell was not only pieced together from other beings in body, but also in his deepest self.

[Godo]

'Chi' is not energy at all per se, but rather a representation of a person's metaphysical essence in the physical world, excreted through the cells. Being hit with a chi blast severs bonds between the body and the theoretical spirit. Keep in mind that the spirit I am referring to is not the soul that goes to the afterlife. It is the quintessential self that exists outside of anything in existence. When the bonds between this and the body are cut, the body is damaged because of the passing of the chi from our universe back into the spirit. Among other things, this theory suggests that Cell was not only pieced together from other beings in body, but also in his deepest self.

I know, and I agree.
I was referring to Rocketman's comments, where he tried to put Dragonball's fiction into pure science.

[IncompetentOverlord]

'Chi' is not energy at all per se, but rather a representation of a person's metaphysical essence in the physical world, excreted through the cells. Being hit with a chi blast severs bonds between the body and the theoretical spirit. Keep in mind that the spirit I am referring to is not the soul that goes to the afterlife. It is the quintessential self that exists outside of anything in existence. When the bonds between this and the body are cut, the body is damaged because of the passing of the chi from our universe back into the spirit. Among other things, this theory suggests that Cell was not only pieced together from other beings in body, but also in his deepest self.

I know, and I agree.
I was referring to Rocketman's comments, where he tried to put Dragonball's fiction into pure science.

Oh. My apologies .

[Rocketman]

We could argue on why Goku didn't get any brain damage from all that pounding.
Scientifically, his bones can only reach a cerain density and so can his muscles until they break his bones from contraction.
So there is only a limited amount of protection his skull can give his brain.
What is your scientific theory?

The Saiyans evolved on a planet with gravity ten times that of Earth (putting aside for the moment that such a planet is impossible). Goku's bone density and such would upscale to match.

Of course, this only holds up until Goku passes 10Gs on the trip to Namek. At the very least, Goku should've passed out when he went to 20G because the blood gets pulled down out of his head.

Can you also explain how in the hell they can conserve so much energy and throw them as "ki" blasts?

Nope, but that's one of the things I can suspend disbelief over. A six-foot speck of carbon generating enough energy to affect the Sun in any way just breaks that suspension right in two.

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

That cells doesn't exactly mean the guy can perform the attack. Not in this case, anyway.

Uh, no...
While Goten has 50% of Son-Kun's cells in him, Cell has 100%. How is this hard to figure out? Are people here forgetting about the episodes which displayed Cell himself showing off all the various techniques he was able to dish-out?

[Godo]

That cells doesn't exactly mean the guy can perform the attack. Not in this case, anyway.

Uh, no...
While Goten has 50% of Son-Kun's cells in him, Cell has 100%. How is this hard to figure out? Are people here forgetting about the episodes which displayed Cell himself showing off all the various techniques he was able to dish-out?

He can't have 100% of Goku's genes (correction, if Cell had 100% of Goku's Cells, he would look exactly like Goku, not like an insect hybrid).
He has a mix of genes from Freeza, King Cold and the other's, and probably all the "best parts", so I doubt that Cell had exactly all the genes from the fighters. Just the ones beneficial for him.

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

That cells doesn't exactly mean the guy can perform the attack. Not in this case, anyway.

Uh, no...
While Goten has 50% of Son-Kun's cells in him, Cell has 100%. How is this hard to figure out? Are people here forgetting about the episodes which displayed Cell himself showing off all the various techniques he was able to dish-out?

He can't have 100% of Goku's genes (correction, if Cell had 100% of Goku's Cells, he would look exactly like Goku, not like an insect hybrid).
He has a mix of genes from Freeza, King Cold and the other's, and probably all the "best parts", so I doubt that Cell had exactly all the genes from the fighters. Just the ones beneficial for him.

Whatever.
I'm just saying that because of the simple fact that Cell has Goku's DNA in him, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he could do it.

[Rocketman]

Whatever.
I'm just saying that because of the simple fact that Cell has Goku's DNA in him, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he could do it.

I am an rocket scientist, and I say he can't.

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

Whatever.
I'm just saying that because of the simple fact that Cell has Goku's DNA in him, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he could do it.

I am an rocket scientist, and I say he can't.

Can you be so kind as to explain why...?

[Rocketman]

Can you be so kind as to explain why...?

Because your DNA is not affected by what you learn. I'm sure you understand the concept that 1+1=2, but any children you have will have to learn that for themselves.

Even if you were to be cloned, your clone would not know 1+1=2 without being taught, because that knowledge has nothing to do with your genetic blueprint.

Information like that is not even stored in one single brain cell, but is shared among many neurons, all of which have to link up correctly to bring forth this tidbit of learned information.


If I were writing Cell's origin, I'd say Goku's DNA came not from the bloodsplatter during the fight with Vegeta, but from Goku's corpse after his death from the heart virus. Gero's robots exhume Goku's body from his grave and remove the brain matter (of course, this'd have to be done soon after death or the brain breaks down too much for recovery of memories), and then do the same with Vegeta and Piccolo after they're killed by the Androids, as well as having gathered whatever was left after Goku killed Freeza and Kold.

In the main timeline, since Freeza and Kold were utterly vaporized and none of the others have died yet, there is no baby Cell. Trunks and Krillin instead destroy the computer that's storing the information only.

[Twinbee_Mk_II]

Rocketman, you're again trying to convey realworld science into a work of whimsical fantasy. Toriyama wasn't basing anything realistically here. Cell has everyone's cells, therefor he can use their moves. It's all stated right there in the story. Was it ever claimed to be realistic? No. It's not true to OUR world, but in the DragonBall world that's how it works. No amount of disputing and arguing will change the facts as presented by the story. Just chalk it up to a gag writer using an idea he knew little of the realistic science of, to build a cool scifi monster to act as the badguy. Simple as that

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

Rocketman, you're again trying to convey realworld science into a work of whimsical fantasy. Toriyama wasn't basing anything realistically here. Cell has everyone's cells, therefor he can use their moves. It's all stated right there in the story. Was it ever claimed to be realistic? No. It's not true to OUR world, but in the DragonBall world that's how it works. No amount of disputing and arguing will change the facts as presented by the story. Just chalk it up to a gag writer using an idea he knew little of the realistic science of, to build a cool scifi monster to act as the badguy. Simple as that

Exactly.
He has the DNA in him, he can do the attacks. Period.

[Rocketman]

Then why can't Goten use the Spirit Bomb.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

While Goten has 50% of Son-Kun's cells in him, Cell has 100%. How is this hard to figure out? Are people here forgetting about the episodes which displayed Cell himself showing off all the various techniques he was able to dish-out?

So what? That isn't even the point. Cell states he could "probably" perform a Genki-Dama, so there isn't even a given he can use it just because he has Goku's cells.

And what episode is this? Cell only uses a few attacks in the Manga, and not anything close to what the Anime shows.

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

While Goten has 50% of Son-Kun's cells in him, Cell has 100%. How is this hard to figure out? Are people here forgetting about the episodes which displayed Cell himself showing off all the various techniques he was able to dish-out?

So what? That isn't even the point. Cell states he could "probably" perform a Genki-Dama, so there isn't even a given he can use it just because he has Goku's cells.

And what episode is this? Cell only uses a few attacks in the Manga, and not anything close to what the Anime shows.

Cell saying, "Probably," is enough to make me believe he could pull it off.
The episode I'm refering too is the one where Cell's fighting Goku at the Cell Games, and then mimicks Tenshinhan's cloning attack, Freeza's death beam, and Piccolo's Masankosappo.
I don't have the manga, so I can't comment on what Cell did there.

[Rocketman]

The episode I'm refering too is the one where Cell's fighting Goku at the Cell Games, and then mimicks Tenshinhan's cloning attack, Freeza's death beam, and Piccolo's Masankosappo.
I don't have the manga, so I can't comment on what Cell did there.

Let me check mine.

...

Ok, Cell only uses one ki attack in his entire fight with Goku, and that's a Kamehameha - the one where Goku flies into the air to draw the blast away from the Earth.

There's a few generic ki blasts done also, but they're really generic - one hand, open palm, 'yahyahyahyahyah' things.

It's also worth nothing that Manga Cell does not have anything from Tien or the other humans.

[Twinbee_Mk_II]

There's a difference between passing genes down, and copying straight from the source...otherwise we'd be perfect clones of our parents wouldn't we? (Yes I'm aware how he looks >.<)

[Godo]

I am an rocket scientist, and I say he can't.

Suddenly, so many things make sense now. The puzzle is complete.

Then why can't Goten use the Spirit Bomb.

Because of that his genes are diluted with Chichi's genes. The portion of his genes holding the Spirit Bomb knowledge is not activated.
Or it's just explain as a Comment to Make Another Character Look Cool (TM). Krillin is often shown saying those comments, and Vegeta too.

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

The episode I'm refering too is the one where Cell's fighting Goku at the Cell Games, and then mimicks Tenshinhan's cloning attack, Freeza's death beam, and Piccolo's Masankosappo.
I don't have the manga, so I can't comment on what Cell did there.

Let me check mine.

...

Ok, Cell only uses one ki attack in his entire fight with Goku, and that's a Kamehameha - the one where Goku flies into the air to draw the blast away from the Earth.

There's a few generic ki blasts done also, but they're really generic - one hand, open palm, 'yahyahyahyahyah' things.

It's also worth nothing that Manga Cell does not have anything from Tenshinhan or the other humans.

I guess I'm refering to the semi-canon anime version of Cell then. In the anime, he does a whole bunch of the characters' moves; solar flare, kamahame-ha, masankosappo, instantaneous movement, regeneration, and Tensan's replication technique.
That should all be proof enough that he could pull off a Genki Dama if he wanted.