Die-hard dub fans (why are you, if so?)

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:27 pm

B wrote: to keep snark from the opposite side to a minimum

..... wait, wait.

B · Post by B » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:29 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
B wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:I always thought that Eric Vale was great as Trunks.

Oh wait, I have to state the opinion as a fact in order for it to actually matter. Silly me.
No one said your opinion didn't matter. Stop taking the criticism of an actor who lives miles away from you as... well, criticism of you.

And, since it seems you need to use qualifiers in order to keep snark from the opposite side to a minimum, I think Vale is fine in GT and the games. Back in Z, it was one of his first roles and it showed. Although, those last few episodes where main-timeline Trunks shows up as an adult, he's okay. So he wasn't awful completely throughout Z.

Was that enough dubwuving to make evwybody happy?
Except, I didn't make it seem like I was mad he was being bashed at all. It's just that every time someone says that they think someone in the dub has a good voice, about 10 come in and act like it's wrong or some shit. At the end of the day, it's all personal opinions.

I find being upfront about it is better than this:

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:
penguintruth wrote:
Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:Oh, boy, now it's about Freeza's Funi-voice now...
Fact is, Funi chose who they wanted the characters to be voiced by, and there's nothing the nay-sayers can do about it.
If Funi used accurate scripts, not a lot of people would be complaining.
Well, the scripts are the worst of the dub's problems, but not the only problem.

Even where voices do fit in the dub, the performances tend to lack. There's probably some bad direction.
Uh huh. Okay... >_>

One guy presents his argument/qualm with the dub, and the other guy just shrugs it off with an "uh huh." He might as well have just said, "No, you're wrong."

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:37 pm

B wrote:I find being upfront about it is better than this:

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:
penguintruth wrote: Well, the scripts are the worst of the dub's problems, but not the only problem.

Even where voices do fit in the dub, the performances tend to lack. There's probably some bad direction.
Uh huh. Okay... >_>
One guy presents his argument/qualm with the dub, and the other guy just shrugs it off with an "uh huh." He might as well have just said, "No, you're wrong."

I'm with ya'. Ultimate_DB_Fan, that kind of post is absolutely unacceptable here.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:41 pm

Timo wrote:At least it's English. Be happy that you don't understand German. If so, you would have notice that the "German" in Evangelion and Fullmetal Alchemist is horrible (in both, Japanese AND the English dub).

That's kinda given with the Japanese version. No offense, but a lot of Japanese voice actors can't do non-East Asian accents for beans. Don't know if you watched EVA but there's a scene when Asuka shows up and while haven't watched the series really in Japanese, when she speaks German, it sounds more like she's just reading lines whereas in the dub it sounds like she's actually speaking German.

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:03 pm

Super Sonic wrote:
Timo wrote:At least it's English. Be happy that you don't understand German. If so, you would have notice that the "German" in Evangelion and Fullmetal Alchemist is horrible (in both, Japanese AND the English dub).
That's kinda given with the Japanese version. No offense, but a lot of Japanese voice actors can't do non-East Asian accents for beans. Don't know if you watched EVA but there's a scene when Asuka shows up and while haven't watched the series really in Japanese, when she speaks German, it sounds more like she's just reading lines whereas in the dub it sounds like she's actually speaking German.

To be fair, I didn't watch the English EVA dub. In the case of FMA, both versions (English and Japanese) are crap (in this scene of course, I actually like FUNi's dub of FMA).
I don't like most of the "tries to speak German" in general in English dubs and non-dubs, such as the X-Men shows. However Nightcrawlers fe German lines in X-Men Evolution weren't so bad (thank you Brad Swaile). Even Nightcrawlers "written German" in the old 80ies X-Men comics are fucking horrible. Phew, back to topic.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:08 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Japanese voice actors can't do non-East Asian accents for beans. Don't know if you watched EVA but there's a scene when Asuka shows up and while haven't watched the series really in Japanese, when she speaks German, it sounds more like she's just reading lines whereas in the dub it sounds like she's actually speaking German.

This is the only thing the English dub for Evangelion does well. It's an abomination otherwise.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:09 pm

penguintruth wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:Japanese voice actors can't do non-East Asian accents for beans. Don't know if you watched EVA but there's a scene when Asuka shows up and while haven't watched the series really in Japanese, when she speaks German, it sounds more like she's just reading lines whereas in the dub it sounds like she's actually speaking German.
This is the only thing the English dub for Evangelion does well. It's an abomination otherwise.

You know the Eva dub is actually acclaimed right? I enjoyed it very much.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:18 pm

It is really well thought of. Only downside it gets was due to the way the story went and the main character being a whiny little b@#$%. Even his VA said he wanted him to grow a pair.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:21 pm

Raki wrote:
penguintruth wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:Japanese voice actors can't do non-East Asian accents for beans. Don't know if you watched EVA but there's a scene when Asuka shows up and while haven't watched the series really in Japanese, when she speaks German, it sounds more like she's just reading lines whereas in the dub it sounds like she's actually speaking German.
This is the only thing the English dub for Evangelion does well. It's an abomination otherwise.
You know the Eva dub is actually acclaimed right? I enjoyed it very much.

Acclaimed? Where?

I find that, much like most early ADV dubs, it doesn't hold up at all. Spike Spencer's Shinji Ikari makes the character go from soft-spoken and feminine to loudly obnoxious and wussy. In fact, it's probably the reason so few people have sympathy for Shinji, his English voice makes me want to punch him in the face with brass knuckles. Most of the rest of the actors perform woodenly.

But, this is another topic, for another series altogether.

verto · Post by **verto** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:23 pm

I think we should all stop listening to penguintruth, he clearly has something against dubs if he thinks Evangelion had a bad dub. the only dub I can remember him saying he liked was Shin-chan (or was it Crayon Shin-chan, I don't remember since I had never heard of the show before a few of you mentioned it).

And yes, Shinji really needs to stop being a whiny bitch and man up at some point in his life.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:25 pm

verto wrote:I think we should all stop listening to penguintruth, he clearly has something against dubs if he thinks Evangelion had a bad dub. the only dub I can remember him saying he liked was Shin-chan (or was it Crayon Shin-chan, I don't remember since I had never heard of the show before a few of you mentioned it).

And yes, Shinji really needs to stop being a whiny bitch and man up at some point in his life.

First, stop trying to pigeon-hole me. I like tons of dubs.

Second, nobody listens to me, regardless.

Third, I'm tired of internet tough guys talking about how Shinji is a "whiny bitch". You would be exactly the same in his position and situation. Stop pretending you're tough. You aren't.

Shinji has a horrific life and most folks would react in the same way he has. And that's the entire point of the fucking series.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:28 pm

I swear I will turn this thread around and go straight back home.

CashmanX · Post by **CashmanX** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:29 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:I swear I will turn this thread around and go straight back home.

We aren't there yet?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:40 pm

penguintruth wrote:Shinji has a horrific life and most folks would react in the same way he has. And that's the entire point of the fucking series.

Evangelion had a point? I thought it was just a bunch of half-baked nonsense and bitching.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:42 pm

Rocketman wrote:
penguintruth wrote:Shinji has a horrific life and most folks would react in the same way he has. And that's the entire point of the fucking series.
Evangelion had a point? I thought it was just a bunch of half-baked nonsense and bitching.

What an original opinion, and so well-supported.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:42 pm

penguintruth wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
penguintruth wrote:Shinji has a horrific life and most folks would react in the same way he has. And that's the entire point of the fucking series.
Evangelion had a point? I thought it was just a bunch of half-baked nonsense and bitching.
What an original opinion, and so well-supported.

That's Rocketman

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:43 pm

Oh, come on. That has nothing to do with Dragon Ball and you both know it.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:55 pm

Seriously, what's going on now? I've seen nothing much in this thread beyind a constant, snide little tug-of-war session between the dubbies and dub-haters, but it's remained civil. Don't let it devolve into something I actually have to lock, please...

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:02 pm

I like where this thread is going!
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Anyway I do find myself wanting to watch the Z dub more so then GT or DB. I guess nostalgia plays a high factor in it even for me. Then again I can easily have my fill for about a year after watching a single episode of the dub so I'm unique that way I guess.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:10 pm

Have to also say another reason I like the dub is watching it led to events that influenced my life and nearly got me a girlfriend. That ever happen to anyone else, or with the latter part make my life seem like weird things can happen?