Die-hard dub fans (why are you, if so?)

[saiyangerl]

Of course the core is there, but that's not really my problem.

Eccentricities are the flavor of a character. If you simplify them, the character loses its flavor and richness. It would have been so easy for Funimation to get Goku just right. All they had to do was follow the script.

Great, now I have a picture of some sort of Goku ice cream pop. Like one of those Mickey pops.

What flavor is it?

[penguintruth]

Of course the core is there, but that's not really my problem.

Eccentricities are the flavor of a character. If you simplify them, the character loses its flavor and richness. It would have been so easy for Funimation to get Goku just right. All they had to do was follow the script.

Great, now I have a picture of some sort of Goku ice cream pop. Like one of those Mickey pops.

What flavor is it?

The face is vanilla, but the hair is a dark chocolate.

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

that people who only watch the Dub aren't true DragonBall fans.

Of course they're still DBZ fans, and I completely agree with everything you've said, Gozar.
Whether people believe it or not, some fans even prefer Faulconer's score than that of the original.

[penguintruth]

that people who only watch the Dub aren't true DragonBall fans.

Of course they're still DBZ fans, and I completely agree with everything you've said, Gozar.
Whether people believe it or not, some fans even prefer Faulconer's score than that of the original.

Thought you weren't going to post in this thread any longer.

And, fine, you like the Faulconer score more. I think it's pretty bad, but that's okay.

The fact remains, it's not DBZ's intended score. It has no place in DBZ. It's not Funimation's job to provide a score for a show. There was one already provided.

I find music replacement for English dubs to be unacceptable.

[Innagadadavida]

I find music replacement for English dubs to be unacceptable.

Tell that to FUNimation '95.

[penguintruth]

I find music replacement for English dubs to be unacceptable.

Tell that to FUNimation '95.

My time machine is in the shop for a custom paint job. I want to get "Hope!" on it.

[Big Momma]

I find music replacement for English dubs to be unacceptable.

Tell that to FUNimation '95.

My time machine is in the shop for a custom paint job. I want to get "Hope!" on it.

I'm not gonna lie, I liked that.

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

Thought you weren't going to post in this thread any longer.

I'll post whenever I want, thanks.

And, fine, you like the Faulconer score more. I think it's pretty bad, but that's okay.

Actually, I like both. I was speaking on behalf of the dub fans who like and go by Faulconer's score only.

The fact remains, it's not DBZ's intended score.

Of course it's not, but Funimation did what they felt was right to try and make the series watchable for a wide audience, which you can't blame on them 100% for. This has been said I don't know how many times in other threads before.

I find music replacement for English dubs to be unacceptable.

Fine, but that isn't gonna change the minds of Funimation or any other company who could feel the need to change scores again in the future, 'kay?

[penguintruth]

Those arguments are neither here nor there. Regardless of why Funimation did it, or when they did it, it's still unacceptable. You can prefer whatever you like. Maybe you want to play different music while you watch other shows. It's irrelevant.

Kikuchi's score is the score of Dragon Ball Z.

And, frankly, much like the dub script itself, I find the Faulconer music to be another sad commentary on the viewers. It's insulting the way they put in all this video game-sounding music to keep the attention of 9-year olds. It's like they're saying, "You can't handle moments of silence or grand orchestra music, you're a kid, here's some synthesizer music." It's a slap to the face.

I will, however, admit, I did like a couple of tracks. They just weren't appropriate for this particular program. The original score has a martial arts movie feel to it. Faulconer's is more like the score for a video game or dance party music.

[Big Momma]

It's like they're saying, "You can't handle moments of silence or grand orchestra music, you're a kid, here's some synthesizer music." It's a slap to the face.

This is something I've noticed more and more about just children's programming in general these days. The companies feel as though kids don't have the attention span to sit through a few minutes without BGM.


...sadly, however, for the most part, they're right. Kids today are much different from kids back then.

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

Those arguments are neither here nor there. Regardless of why Funimation did it, or when they did it, it's still unacceptable. It's irrelevant.

Huh...? Of course it's relevant as to why they did what they did. Not everyone at the time was gonna jump at the chance to see the series with the original score. Whether this is hard for you to believe or not, any little thing can turn off a set of people, even the music. It isn't hard to believe of cases where kids, teens and even adults started watching and liking DBZ because of Faulconer's tracks. It's also possible that said group of people reverted and now prefer and listen to Kickuchi's score, as was the case with me.

Kikuchi's score is the score of Dragon Ball Z.

Yes, I know that... It's indeed a great score.

[penguintruth]

Of course it's relevant as to why they did what they did. Not everyone at the time was gonna jump at the chance to see the series with the original score. Whether this is hard for you to believe or not, any little thing can turn off a set of people, even the music. It isn't hard to believe of cases where kids, teens and even adults started watching and liking DBZ because of Faulconer's tracks. It's also possible that said group of people reverted and now prefer and listen to Kickuchi's score, as was the case with me

As far as I'm concerned, if they felt they couldn't sell DBZ as it was, without replacing the music, they shouldn't have done it at all.

For some reason, DBZ did well in several other countries with the Kikuchi score. Funimation was just being cynical about the people watching.

The Faulconer music is especially egregious because by the time the third season came, Funimation could clearly see DBZ was popular. There was no more reason to continue replacing the music, because obviously DBZ was popular, even with the Shuky Levi music.

And I think we all remember (or maybe we don't, that's my point) just how forgettable the Shuky Levi music was. Can anyone even recall a single track?

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

For some reason, DBZ did well in several other countries with the Kikuchi score. Funimation was just being cynical about the people watching.

Not cynical, but logical. It was their first property at the time, if I'm not mistaken, so they did what they felt they had to do.

There was no more reason to continue replacing the music, because obviously DBZ was popular, even with the Shuky Levi music.

True. However, the possible logic behind keeping the score all throughout the rest of the series starting with season 3, could be that they were cautious of losing the audience they had gained by that point in time. That's not hard to believe.

And I think we all remember (or maybe we don't, that's my point) just how forgettable the Shuky Levi music was. Can anyone even recall a single track?

I don't know the name of any of the tracks, but I do know how they sound via memory. And, yes, some dub fans even prefer that music, as well.

[Onikage725]

@penguintruth- I know, that was my point. There's no need for a hypothetical. We've been given the proper place for that voice of Linda Young. Saying that Freeza's dub fits is basically saying Freeza = Genkai as a gay man.

Maybe I'm oversimplying it, but this seems to be the same argument as Coke vs. Pepsi.

Personally, I'd see anime as carbonated beverages, and cola as a "genre" (in this case, we'll say shounen). Coke vs Pepsi is like... say... Dragon Ball vs Yu Yu Hakusho. Dub/sub is like Coke vs Diet Coke.

Which takes me back to something I said in another thread about how some people who hate the dub need to make up their minds. They complain all the time about how they changed Goku from a quasi-idiot to someone smart, and yet if you show them a clip of dub Goku acting silly, they'll say that Goku is in fact. not an idiot. And they'll complain about Goku being called a clown even though that implies that he's goofy.

Just speaking for myself, he is far too well spoken. Whenever I watch Goku start using big words or giving a fancy speech in the dub, chances are I can click over to Japanese and he is saying it in simpler terms and using slang. Sure, they have some instances where they play Goku correctly. But they have many instances where they don't too. The Japanese version doesn't have that issue- the writing for the characters was consistent and didn't pander to the constant three way tug of "what're they supposed to be saying" vs "what do we want them to say in OUR version" vs "what can we have them say appeal to the kiddies." As for calling him a clown, it just doesn't seem to make sense for Vegeta to do so. He's basically making a personal judgement, but he spends little to no personal time with Goku. He never trains with Goku. I doubt they spend much time hanging out at each other's houses. If Vegeta's only time with Goku has been when Goku is all business, in what way does it make sense for Vegeta to refer to his goofy at-home side?

Honestly, I mean that so as to address your point. I'm not trying to be combative. Consistent characterization and writing is important to some of us. You (arguably) get the basic point with the dub, but the writing *is* inconsistent. Did Piccolo have the right line after fusing with Kami? Yes. Did that make up for, say, the total assrape that was the Red Ribbon flashback earlier in the saga? Not one bit. That sort of thing, which would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad that it was coming out of a professional product, is going to keep that version from being anything close to definitive for me.

True. However, the possible logic behind keeping the score all throughout the rest of the series starting with season 3, could be that they were cautious of losing the audience they had gained by that point in time. That's not hard to believe.

While possible, that was short-sighted. They really did hit a new audience. I knew so many people who were fans of the first two seasons who didn't even get Cartoon Network. Likewise, Toonami hit a different demographic and reached a wider audience than those of us psychos who used to get up at ungodly hours to watch the show's original US run.

[Rocketman]

...sadly, however, for the most part, they're right. Kids today are much different from kids back then.

No they aren't. Kids are always stupid little fucks. You only think you were different as a kid because it's you.

[B]

Funimation did what they felt was right to try and make the series watchable for a wide audience,

No, they make money off of the Faulconer score. Kikuchi's score was apart of the original show, so no money is made whenever it plays(okay, technically, it never played on television with Z, whatever). Faulconer's music was an in-house product, directly OWNED by FUNimation. They can actually charge money when it is used. Much like when you hear popular songs playing in commercials. The original creators of the piece get paid everytime it's used. For example, when "Old Time Rock and Roll" plays on Guitar Hero commercials. Bob Seger gets a commission when that song plays on TV, ANYWHERE.

I bet my life the show would have exploded sooner or later in the U.S., regardless of what was done to it. Too bad time machines won't be available until 2026.

EDIT: Kikuchi score played on TV with original Dragon Ball. I'm stoop head.

[Big Momma]

...sadly, however, for the most part, they're right. Kids today are much different from kids back then.

No they aren't. Kids are always stupid little fucks. You only think you were different as a kid because it's you.

No, Rocketman, I WAS different! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SHATTER MY CHILDHOOD LIKE THAT!!!


*runs into bedroom and slams door shut*

[saiyangerl]

...sadly, however, for the most part, they're right. Kids today are much different from kids back then.

No they aren't. Kids are always stupid little fucks. You only think you were different as a kid because it's you.

No, Rocketman, I WAS different! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SHATTER MY CHILDHOOD LIKE THAT!!!


*runs into bedroom and slams door shut*

rofl

I always thought kids were stupid little fucks even when I WAS a kid myself!

[Big Momma]

No they aren't. Kids are always stupid little fucks. You only think you were different as a kid because it's you.

No, Rocketman, I WAS different! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SHATTER MY CHILDHOOD LIKE THAT!!!


*runs into bedroom and slams door shut*

rofl

I always thought kids were stupid little fucks even when I WAS a kid myself!

Haha, no I agree, he's right. But at least when I was a kid, we were actually given GOOD things to watch. There's no doubt that networks like Disney and Cartoon Network have gone downhill.

[JulieYBM]

Kids are kids, they're aren't all going to be nice, smart, or experienced. That's why they aren't mature adutls. Those years are the years specifically for learning what to do and don't do.

Thus, this post contributes absolutely nothing to the topic. I'm sorry.