Is what FUNimation did so horrible?

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

The nay-sayers can complain all they want. I don't hate the season sets at all, and I'm happy to own the entire Z-portion of the series.
Are the sets flawed? Absofreakinglutely. But y'know what? How the hell was I supposed to know that the DBoxes would be coming around the corner? Fact is, no one knew.
This was a chance for me and many others to get all 291 episodes consistantly every few months, and add to the collection.
I'm supposed to be mad because it's cropped and the color's altered? Cry me a freakin' river, why don't ya.
If the sets didn't have the original Japanese audio (BGM and v.a's), then I would've had a problem.

[Daimo-Rukiri]

Disney knows what they're doing, at least.

They also have the original film print as well, it's much more than what funimation did. We're talking 50,000+ dollars here as a budget for a remaster.

If disney remastered DBZ it'd be far superior to the remastered sets and actually could rival the dragon box sets.

[Kendamu]

I'm supposed to be mad because it's cropped and the color's altered? Cry me a freakin' river, why don't ya.

Had they not absolutely FUBAR'd Season 2 I would agree.

[bkev]

People seem to forget Disney appears to subtly modernize their movies in many cases when they remaster it. It´s like George Lucas, only worse because they don´t usually acknowledge it.

[Kendamu]

People seem to forget Disney appears to subtly modernize their movies in many cases when they remaster it. It´s like George Lucas, only worse because they don´t usually acknowledge it.

Like how? I haven't seen a home Disney release since the VHS era.

[bkev]

Exactly. They're fans of messing with the colors too - and then the silly soccer mom-caused censorship. They claim their Lion King DVD to have the theatrical version as well, but they sourced it from their IMAX touch-up so the re-animation is shown.

Oh yeah, and their old movies look like they were done just yesterday on their most recent releases. I tend to be negative, so I would not be the best source - some might say that's how it originally looked, but I call fie.

[B]

I'm supposed to be mad because it's cropped and the color's altered? Cry me a freakin' river, why don't ya.

Mad? No.
Higher standards for what you buy? Maybe.

[VegettoEX]

I'm supposed to be mad because it's cropped and the color's altered? Cry me a freakin' river, why don't ya.

Mad? No.
Higher standards for what you buy? Maybe.

That's really what it comes down to.

Where we crying as if our first-born children had been destroyed in a flood brought down from the heavens by our demonic overlord Watson?

No.

Did we factually describe the problems with the sets, the lies they were fabricated upon, and what superior alternatives there could be?

Yes.

Why is it our fault that certain segments of fandom either chose to be ignorant or ambivalent? How dare you or anyone sit back and whine about supposed whining...? As if having a viewpoint and desire to purchase a quality product, and then following up on that, is somehow a bad or "Dude, that's so lame! You're not cool! Get a life!" thing?

We took a stand and got what we wanted. At the end of the day, I'm pretty happy about that. What did you do?

If you want to be complacent, be my guest. Don't you dare point the finger at someone who chooses not to be. Yeah, yeah, it's just some cartoon. Whatever. That analysis won't fly with me. Everyone needs something lame to care about in life.

[Kingdom Heartless]

HFIL hath no fury like a Dragon Ball fan scorned.

Had they at least been up front about the whole thing, I don't see myself holding it against them as much. But to outright say anything to sell a sub quality product that many will buy without any other option is pretty low.

Heck, it makes me wonder if it was all a ploy to resell the series when they finally released Dragon Box to the "Hardcore fans." Maybe they realised if they released a half ass product before the great one, they could sell the series to the same people twice. Who knows? But what they did can put that lack of trust in people's mind.

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

Did we factually describe the problems with the sets, the lies they were fabricated upon, and what superior alternatives there could be?

Yeah, you did.
However, FUNimation's gonna always do what they feel is right. Period.
Despite being flawed, the sets have sold relatively well, and continue to do so.

Why is it our fault that certain segments of fandom either chose to be ignorant or ambivalent?

How can purchasing something that I enjoyed after the first set was released possibly be considered ignorant? There's no logic in that.

How dare you or anyone sit back and whine about supposed whining...?

And who did I say was whining, Mr. LaBrie? It seems words are being put in my mouth that weren't actually said. Oh, and for the record, what I said about "crying me a river" wasn't meant to be taken seriously or literally. It was a minor form of expression that many here often display.

We took a stand and got what we wanted.

As did I, my friend, and I couldn't be happier.

Don't you dare point the finger at someone who chooses not to be.

I would never do that.

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

Another thing that I forgot to point out was that, again, how was anyone to know of the upcoming releases of the DBoxes? How, I ask?
Seeing the sets getting released consistantly, and the fact that I would be able to see the Z-portion of the series uncut WITH the original audio was just too much to pass up.
Many people here probably already saw the series uncut prior to the release of the first set, but many didn't, even after all these years. I wasn't of the camp who bought the UUE's because, to be completely honest, I was oblivious of their existence.

[B]

Did we factually describe the problems with the sets, the lies they were fabricated upon, and what superior alternatives there could be?

Yeah, you did.
However, FUNimation's gonna always do what they feel is right. Period.
Despite being flawed, the sets have sold relatively well, and continue to do so.

Why is it our fault that certain segments of fandom either chose to be ignorant or ambivalent?

How can purchasing something that I enjoyed after the first set was released possibly be considered ignorant? There's no logic in that.

How dare you or anyone sit back and whine about supposed whining...?

And who did I say was whining, Mr. LaBrie? It seems words are being put in my mouth that weren't actually said. Oh, and for the record, what I said about "crying me a river" wasn't meant to be taken seriously or literally. It was a minor form of expression that many here often display.

We took a stand and got what we wanted.

As did I, my friend, and I couldn't be happier.

Don't you dare point the finger at someone who chooses not to be.

I would never do that.

>>However, FUNimation's gonna always do what they feel is right. Period.
Despite being flawed, the sets have sold relatively well, and continue to do so.
Oh, come on. They sell because they're Dragon Ball. The majority didn't care about what we stressed out over, and that is going to happen with any product with any sort of popular clout. People are going to keep seeing rehashed Saw movies, people are going to continue playing stagnant Pokemon games, and people are going to continue buying Dragon Ball releases.

>>How can purchasing something that I enjoyed after the first set was released possibly be considered ignorant? There's no logic in that.
It was a general statement. Based on what you've said, you fall into "ambivalent." You're aware of the problems the orange bricks have... but don't... care... for some reason or another.

>>As did I, my friend, and I couldn't be happier.
Really? The comments you've made seem to contradict you taking any sort of stand against the sets.

>>I would never do that.
But... you did do that, rhetorical or not.
>>I'm supposed to be mad because it's cropped and the color's altered? Cry me a freakin' river, why don't ya.

[johnboy1]

Oh, come on. They sell because they're Dragon Ball. The majority didn't care about what we stressed out over, and that is going to happen with any product with any sort of popular clout. People are going to keep seeing rehashed Saw movies, people are going to continue playing stagnant Pokemon games, and people are going to continue buying Dragon Ball releases.

This is off-topic, but I would like to point out that, since Saw III, the profits have been dropping by a significant margin with each movie. Yes, I know that happens with every series eventually, but not like this. At this rate, the next film will be lucky to make a profit at all. Granted, they could always slash the budget to make up for the dwindling gross, but that road eventually leads to Direct-to-Video land (see: Hellraiser). At the least, I foresee a Saw hiatus after the next film or two.

[Raki]

Oh, come on. They sell because they're Dragon Ball. The majority didn't care about what we stressed out over, and that is going to happen with any product with any sort of popular clout. People are going to keep seeing rehashed Saw movies, people are going to continue playing stagnant Pokemon games, and people are going to continue buying Dragon Ball releases.

This is off-topic, but I would like to point out that, since Saw III, the profits have been dropping by a significant margin with each movie. Yes, I know that happens with every series eventually, but not like this. At this rate, the next film will be lucky to make a profit at all. Granted, they could always slash the budget to make up for the dwindling gross, but that road eventually leads to Direct-to-Video land (see: Hellraiser). At the least, I foresee a Saw hiatus after the next film or two.

Except for the last one, the Saw films have been making 10x their budget.

[russ869]

One of the highlights of the DBOX footage is the fact that we get a crisp and clean remaster of DragonBall. While at the same time preserving the look of an older, classic series.

But I pose this question. If FUNi's remastering process didn't have its flaws and they kept it at the proper 4:3 format. Would the Season Sets be so horrid? If all that changed was the color pallet in an attempt to make the series look newer. Would it have been so bad?

You kind of just answered yourself. The DBOX is a crisp remaster that preserves the look of an older, classic series. The Season Sets try to use digital processing effects to "modernize" the look of the show.

Here's the question: Why is that necessary? How is Funimation's remaster better?

These days I'm in a mood where I prefer older hand-painted animation over newer digital animation. Not only is there no point in trying to make one look like the other, I don't want them to. It destroys the textured look of cell animation.

I've got to admit, the picture on the Season Sets does look pretty nice in certain parts.

I'm not sure which parts you're talking about so I may agree or disagree. But, I can definitely tell you that there were many times when the colors bothered me. They made the show look ugly enough that didn't want to watch any filler episodes. On the DragonBox I haven't felt like skipping any episodes, because even the parts that aren't animated as well still look good in comparison to the Season Sets. Another part of this is just how the Season Sets are "zoomed-in" because of the cropping. That also makes it look worse. Because what Funimation tried to do was saturate the colors into single toned textures to try and make DBZ look more like one of their newer, digitally animated shows. The thing is that's not a good idea because for a "new" show DBZ would look pretty ugly. All that this attempt to "modernize" DBZ did was amplify just how non-modern it really looks.

During the times I watch the Season Sets I'll be watching footage that is attempted to be made to look more modern.

That's what I mean. That kind of "modernization" is just like the new version of the Ghost in the Shell movie (man, they pulled a freakin' George Lucas on that one). They attempt to artificially make an old film look more modern, but in the end it's just a bunch of enhancements that don't actually work well together with the original source material. It can't appeal to fans of the old-school original or new fans, and so no one ends up liking it.

The only decent remaster I've ever seen done by a licensor is AnimeEigo's Super Dimensional Fortress Macross boxset a few years back, but the only reason I got that one was to have all of that series.

Uh... if you still think AnimeEigo's SDF Macross remaster looks good, come back after you've looked at comparisons with the new Japanese HD remaster DVD Memorial Box.
http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showpost.php ... tcount=151

Judge for yourself. The difference is like night and day (or DBOX and Season Set...).

Everyone needs something lame to care about in life.

Yep, or they have something whether they need it or not. I should keep this in my signature or something.

[johnboy1]

Except for the last one, the Saw films have been making 10x their budget.

But approximately half of the revenue from tickets doesn't make it to the studios. And you need to subtract the budget from the half that is left over. The actual profits (adjusted for inflation) are something like this:

Saw
Budget: $1,357,113.34
Gross: $119,199,960.89
Profit: $58,212,540.83

Saw II
Budget: $4,374,962.40
Gross: $165,487,199.49
Profit: $78,263,100.52

Saw III
Budget: $10,670,640
Gross: $180,732,411.37
Profit: $79,404,373.63

Saw IV
Budget: $10,380,000
Gross: $145,429,055.95
Profit: $62,278,481.46

Saw V
Budget: $10,800,000
Gross: $113,857,533
Profit: $46,128,766.50

Saw VI (as of November 17)
Budget: $11,000,000
Gross: $44,314,561
Profit: $11,157,280.50

Those drops are huge, even when you consider the usual diminishing returns of sequels. And that doesn't even account for marketing, which can cost millions.

[VegettoEX]

While the Saw profit margins are fascinating, let's remember to try and keep it as relevant as possible! Thanks!

[johnboy1]

While the Saw profit margins are fascinating, let's remember to try and keep it as relevant as possible! Thanks!

Sure! Umm... uhh... There's lots of sevens in those numbers I posted. The same number as the Dragon Balls! There, now it's relevant.

But seriously, I'll keep the Saw talk to PMs from now on.

[SSVegetto]

That is the key word VegettoEX was using is Lies

This is the first I heard of a dubbing company screwing up the quality of the video that bad, and then to actually lie about it.

Some people say them releasing the Dragon Box is there way of apologizing to us. No it really isn't. Because you clearly see how they marketed the Season sets before the Dragon Box sets. Now they give us the excuse that it's for "Hardcore fans" and one is for the low class people. I don't call that apologizing. I call that trying to insult ones intelligence if you ask me.

They clearly still praise their season sets release. And never once actually apologized for lying and screwing up that release badly. They now came up with a annoying marketing strategy so they can make even more money off of people and still praise their season sets, thus not acknowledging their mistake.

I don't see two fanbases. And this certain person in this forum is not going to leave me alone about this obviously, but whatever I sort of invited him. I merely think it's an obsession or entitlement complex. I don't see two versions, I just think it's an obsession with Japanese culture that everything has to be perfect. He even complains about the names being off. Which to me is really unheard of. Because they are so close to begin with.

[VegettoEX]

I don't see two fanbases. And this certain person in this forum is not going to leave me alone about this obviously, but whatever I sort of invited him. I merely think it's an obsession or entitlement complex. I don't see two versions, I just think it's an obsession with Japanese culture that everything has to be perfect. He even complains about the names being off. Which to me is really unheard of. Because they are so close to begin with.

... what are you even talking about here...? Beyond having no clue what you're trying to say, I don't see what anyone's preference with naming schemes has to do with the production and release format of the show...