Is what FUNimation did so horrible?

[XanatosVanBadass]

That is the key word VegettoEX was using is Lies

This is the first I heard of a dubbing company screwing up the quality of the video that bad, and then to actually lie about it.

Some people say them releasing the Dragon Box is there way of apologizing to us. No it really isn't. Because you clearly see how they marketed the Season sets before the Dragon Box sets. Now they give us the excuse that it's for "Hardcore fans" and one is for the low class people. I don't call that apologizing. I call that trying to insult ones intelligence if you ask me.

They clearly still praise their season sets release. And never once actually apologized for lying and screwing up that release badly. They now came up with a annoying marketing strategy so they can make even more money off of people and still praise their season sets, thus not acknowledging their mistake.

What more do you really expect them to do? They've given us the original Dragon Box footage, a fairly accurate adaption of the packaging for the US market and perfectly translated the dragon book, which they didn't have to do IMO. I think most people would have been satisfied with the Dragon Box footage, but FUNi really did go the extra mile to make purist fans happy. What do you want, them to take every orange brick and burn them? To go, "Yeah, we fucked up! lolz" The thing is, they didn't as the orange bricks sold extremely well. As far as a business standpoint goes it was a success and it would actually be BAD business to disown the orange bricks (as that might affect the sales of the Blue/green bricks).

I really, REALLY want to know why people are bitching about the Dragon Box marketing now. How ungrateful and butthurt can people be?

[SSVegetto]

I don't see two fanbases. And this certain person in this forum is not going to leave me alone about this obviously, but whatever I sort of invited him. I merely think it's an obsession or entitlement complex. I don't see two versions, I just think it's an obsession with Japanese culture that everything has to be perfect. He even complains about the names being off. Which to me is really unheard of. Because they are so close to begin with.

... what are you even talking about here...? Beyond having no clue what you're trying to say, I don't see what anyone's preference with naming schemes has to do with the production and release format of the show...

To answer your question shortly. It's the way Funimation advertised it. I would have less problems with Funimation if they just admitted their lies. But ever since their Dragon Box releases, they had lied more. So I think what Funimation did was horrible and even more horrible now since they released the Dragon box sets. They still enforce their orange box sets.


Now here is the long answer.

Good question, I don't know what he is complaining about the dub names. But yes, there are people here that are complaining about names. Like Krillin is Kuillin. Something like that. He actually mentions dub names as a con for a dbz video game he was reviewing. Tenshinhan should be Tenshinhan (look your word filter actually filtered it out T.i.e.n). Something like that. And destructo disc should be kienzan. <---- Big deal. (Both sound cool, and it's the same move)


I mean everything has to be 100% exactly accurate translated or people get pissy over DBZ (This to me seems like a definition of the hardcore fans Funimation is talking about actually). They think it's cool to say the Japanese names. This is where people get the two fanbases from. And this is where they get the marketing from. Funimation is trying to use this is a way to market their Dragon box. It has everything to do with the show.

And this is where they think the Dragon Box is only for a certain type of fanbase. And this is where the entitlement complex comes in.

I think it's dumb, I don't think there is much of a difference and I don't think there is two versions of the show. For one thing the video is uncut. So the video is always going to be the same. The second thing, is the plot is always going to be the same. Villian gets killed. The action. So why should we create or say there is two different fanbases? Why does Funimation market it this way? I think it's horrible.

I think the Dragonbox is just an higher quality release than the orange box sets that everyone should be entitled to. Not how Funimation is marketing it the way they are. Plus, they aren't apologizing for the orange box sets that they lied. And it pretty much sums up my answer for the topic question.

What do you want, them to take every orange brick and burn them? To go, "Yeah, we fucked up! lolz" The thing is, they didn't as the orange bricks sold extremely well. As far as a business standpoint goes it was a success and it would actually be BAD business to disown the orange bricks (as that might affect the sales of the Blue/green bricks).

I really, REALLY want to know why people are bitching about the Dragon Box marketing now. How ungrateful and butthurt can people be?

Simple, I just want them to admit they lied about it. They don't necessarily have to do a recall and order them all back from people. Then the next thing I want them to do is knock it off with the hard core fan or purist stuff. I want them to advertise it for everyone.

[VegettoEX]

You're complaining about someone else complaining about the use of dub names, which someone is entitled to do.

That is entirely irrelevant to this thread's discussion. Please stay on-topic or refrain from posting.

[Kendamu]

Well, everyone is entitled to the Dragonbox, SSVegetto. It's not like only a certain group of fans are legally allowed to purchase it. It's just that, if you do, you'll have to put up with watching the show as originally intended: with the original music...! Y'know, like pretty much every other anime currently on the market.

Just because FUNi says, "Yo, Japanese version fans. Check this! We got what you wanted," doesn't mean they're also saying, "Fuck you, everyone else." They're just paying special attention to the people who spent two years requesting it over and over again instead of paying special attention to the people happily watching what was already out there.

[XanatosVanBadass]

Simple, I just want them to admit they lied about it. They don't necessarily have to do a recall and order them all back from people. Then the next thing I want them to do is knock it off with the hard core fan or purist stuff. I want them to advertise it for everyone.

Well, they won't ever do that as any smart company wouldn't. The only time a company apologizes for a bad product is when it sells and blows up in their faces. To them, the orange bricks were a smash hit and they got what they wanted, the average fan's money. Why should they feel compelled to apologize?

Also, these sets are for purists mainly because anyone who is a hardcore dubbie will be turned off by the lack of Bruce Foulcner's (sp?) soundtrack and the Japanese audio/terms as the default. Face it, most dub fans won't be compelled to purchase this. Hell, I highly doubt these will sell nearly as well as the season sets did simply because the average fan doesn't care. These are expected to sell fewer amounts, so it is being marketed as such.

[Kunzait_83]

And destructo disc should be kienzan. <---- Big deal. (Both sound cool, and it's the same move)

I cock an eyebrow of befuddlement at anyone who claims that "Destructo Disc" is a cool sounding name. It sounds like a weapon from a bad 50's scifi b movie.

[Big Momma]

And destructo disc should be kienzan. <---- Big deal. (Both sound cool, and it's the same move)

I cock an eyebrow of befuddlement at anyone who claims that "Destructo Disc" is a cool sounding name. It sounds like a weapon from a bad 50's scifi b movie.

...and?

[penguintruth]

The Japanese version and the English version are clearly two different programs. If anything, you should be angry that they didn't change the dub to reflect the intentions of the Japanese version for the Dragon Box.

But I've gotten too old to care about a truly accurate DBZ dub. They've had a decade to do one, they haven't, they probably never will.

Uh... if you still think AnimeEigo's SDF Macross remaster looks good, come back after you've looked at comparisons with the new Japanese HD remaster DVD Memorial Box.
http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showpost.php ... tcount=151

Judge for yourself. The difference is like night and day (or DBOX and Season Set...).

Well, I'll be. That new HD set is amazing.

I hope that set gets a domestic license, but I doubt it. If it does, I can handle re-purchasing it.

[XanatosVanBadass]

The Japanese version and the English version are clearly two different programs. If anything, you should be angry that they didn't change the dub to reflect the intentions of the Japanese version for the Dragon Box.

But I've gotten too old to care about a truly accurate DBZ dub. They've had a decade to do one, they haven't, they probably never will.

Eh, I could see it happening a decade or more down the line if a new company gets a hold of Dragon Ball, much like what happened with Gatchaman and Macross.

[Kunzait_83]

And destructo disc should be kienzan. <---- Big deal. (Both sound cool, and it's the same move)

I cock an eyebrow of befuddlement at anyone who claims that "Destructo Disc" is a cool sounding name. It sounds like a weapon from a bad 50's scifi b movie.

...and?

And cheesy Japanese/Chinese martial arts technique jargon > cheeseball 50's/60's's scifi jargon; always.

[Kendamu]

And cheesy cornball Japanese/Chinese martial arts technique jargon > cheeseball 50's/60's's scifi jargon; always.

Fixed it for ya!

[Kunzait_83]

And cheesy cornball Japanese/Chinese martial arts technique jargon > cheeseball 50's/60's's scifi jargon; always.

Fixed it for ya!

I was actually just on my way to edit that in myself when I saw your response.

Fuck it, edited it in anyway.

[jjgp1112]

Well, everyone is entitled to the Dragonbox, SSVegetto. It's not like only a certain group of fans are legally allowed to purchase it. It's just that, if you do, you'll have to put up with watching the show as originally intended: with the original music...! Y'know, like pretty much every other anime currently on the market.

Do you really have to say that asinine statement every chance you get? I don't even want to get into all of the shit wrong with that.

[XanatosVanBadass]

Well, everyone is entitled to the Dragonbox, SSVegetto. It's not like only a certain group of fans are legally allowed to purchase it. It's just that, if you do, you'll have to put up with watching the show as originally intended: with the original music...! Y'know, like pretty much every other anime currently on the market.

Do you really have to say that asinine statement every chance you get? I don't even want to get into all of the shit wrong with that.

Name me one anime release that has been handled as badly as Dragon Ball by FUNi? That's what I thought.

[ShadowDude112]

Well, everyone is entitled to the Dragonbox, SSVegetto. It's not like only a certain group of fans are legally allowed to purchase it. It's just that, if you do, you'll have to put up with watching the show as originally intended: with the original music...! Y'know, like pretty much every other anime currently on the market.

Do you really have to say that asinine statement every chance you get? I don't even want to get into all of the shit wrong with that.

Name me one anime release that has been handled as badly as Dragon Ball by FUNi? That's what I thought.

Sonic X by 4Kids, of course.

[Big Momma]

Do you really have to say that asinine statement every chance you get? I don't even want to get into all of the shit wrong with that.

Name me one anime release that has been handled as badly as Dragon Ball by FUNi? That's what I thought.

Sonic X by 4Kids, of course.

I thought it was common knowledge that we don't count 4Kids, ever?

[XanatosVanBadass]

Sonic X by 4Kids, of course.

Note I said by FUNi. Besides, anything by 4Kids doesn't count as they're on a completely different wavelength than other distributers.

[NeptuneKai]

Oh cool I guess I found the new dub versus sub thread.

[ShadowDude112]

Sonic X by 4Kids, of course.

Note I said by FUNi. Besides, anything by 4Kids doesn't count as they're on a completely different wavelength than other distributers.

I thought you said just name a bad release of an anime by a distributor. Sorry for the confusion.

[B]

Well, everyone is entitled to the Dragonbox, SSVegetto. It's not like only a certain group of fans are legally allowed to purchase it. It's just that, if you do, you'll have to put up with watching the show as originally intended: with the original music...! Y'know, like pretty much every other anime currently on the market.

Do you really have to say that asinine statement every chance you get? I don't even want to get into all of the shit wrong with that.

Then you shouldn't post. I don't even want to get into all of the shit wrong with that.