Is what FUNimation did so horrible?

[Kunzait_83]

Well, everyone is entitled to the Dragonbox, SSVegetto. It's not like only a certain group of fans are legally allowed to purchase it. It's just that, if you do, you'll have to put up with watching the show as originally intended: with the original music...! Y'know, like pretty much every other anime currently on the market.

Do you really have to say that asinine statement every chance you get? I don't even want to get into all of the shit wrong with that.

I fail to see what's asinine about wanting Dragon Ball Z to simply be handled no differently than what's now considered "standard" for any other (non-4Kids) anime release these days. And last I checked, having American replacement BGM in lieu of or even alongside the original BGM is not what any "real" anime licensors do to their titles anymore, FUNimation included. Hasn’t been for many, many years now. Asking for DBZ to stop remaining this perpetual and inexplicable odd man out for these very simple standards and to stop being treated like it's permenantly stuck in the mid-90's syndication standards for anime is the complete opposite of asinine I think.

[XanatosVanBadass]

I fail to see what's asinine about wanting Dragon Ball Z to simply be handled no differently than what's now considered "standard" for any other (non-4Kids) anime release these days. And last I checked replacing the original BGM is not what any "real" anime licensors do to their titles anymore, FUNimation included. Hasn’t been for many, many years now. Asking for DBZ to stop remaining this perpetual and inexplicable odd man out for these very simple standards is the complete opposite of asinine I think.

But . . . but . . . I NEEDS DA HARD ROX TO GO WITH DA PUNCHES!

[jjgp1112]

Well, everyone is entitled to the Dragonbox, SSVegetto. It's not like only a certain group of fans are legally allowed to purchase it. It's just that, if you do, you'll have to put up with watching the show as originally intended: with the original music...! Y'know, like pretty much every other anime currently on the market.

Do you really have to say that asinine statement every chance you get? I don't even want to get into all of the shit wrong with that.

I fail to see what's asinine about wanting Dragon Ball Z to simply be handled no differently than what's now considered "standard" for any other (non-4Kids) anime release these days. And last I checked, having American replacement BGM in lieu of or even alongside the original BGM is not what any "real" anime licensors do to their titles anymore, FUNimation included. Hasn’t been for many, many years now. Asking for DBZ to stop remaining this perpetual and inexplicable odd man out for these very simple standards and to stop being treated like it's permenantly stuck in the mid-90's syndication standards for anime is the complete opposite of asinine I think.

I'm not going to say anything other than the fact that Dragon Ball Z is a show that was dubbed during a different period from now and thus makes it different from other recent dubs that Funi releases. I think that's what everyone forgets. The DBZ dub is an old-style dub that probably won't get any redub from FUNimation. It was finished in 2002 and the only alterations made it to it was changing voices so to get rid of discrepancies within a consistent release series.

The thing that's asinine was his attitude, really.

And Xantos, really, just stop.

[penguintruth]

Please, Ronin Warriors was a better adaptation of Yoroiden Samurai Troopers at the same time the Dragon Ball Z dub was airing.

I mean, it was still an awful dub, but they didn't really change anything significant, aside from names.

Quake with fear, indeed.

[XanatosVanBadass]

I'm not going to say anything other than the fact that Dragon Ball Z is a show that was dubbed during a different period from now and thus makes it different from other recent dubs that Funi releases. I think that's what everyone forgets. The DBZ dub is an old-style dub that probably won't get any redub from FUNimation.

1999 wasn't THAT long ago. Why didn't they give us a faithful dub then? Along side DBZ at the time we had the extremely faithful Gundam Wing which proved that a faithful dub with ALL the original music and minimal (in the evenings) editing can be a smashing success in America. There was NO good reason for FUNi to continue to follow in the path that Saban led them to till then.

What's worse, they could have made up for it in 2005 when they were redubbing the show. So, what do they do with this glorious, fresh start? THEY USE THE FUCKING SABAN SCRIPT FOR NEARLY THE ENTIRE THING! I'm sorry, but there is no excuse for the BS FUNimation put DB through.

[jjgp1112]

I'm not going to say anything other than the fact that Dragon Ball Z is a show that was dubbed during a different period from now and thus makes it different from other recent dubs that Funi releases. I think that's what everyone forgets. The DBZ dub is an old-style dub that probably won't get any redub from FUNimation.

1999 wasn't THAT long ago. Why didn't they give us a faithful dub then? Along side DBZ at the time we had the extremely faithful Gundam Wing which proved that a faithful dub with ALL the original music and minimal (in the evenings) editing can be a smashing success in America. There was NO good reason for FUNi to continue to follow in the path that Saban led them to till then.

What's worse, they could have made up for it in 2005 when they were redubbing the show. So, what do they do with this glorious, fresh start? THEY USE THE FUCKING SABAN SCRIPT FOR NEARLY THE ENTIRE THING! I'm sorry, but there is no excuse for the BS FUNimation put DB through.

But all of that's in the past and we can't change it. So just deal with it and let people who actually enjoyed those changes be happy.

[ShadowDude112]

I'm not going to say anything other than the fact that Dragon Ball Z is a show that was dubbed during a different period from now and thus makes it different from other recent dubs that Funi releases. I think that's what everyone forgets. The DBZ dub is an old-style dub that probably won't get any redub from FUNimation.

1999 wasn't THAT long ago. Why didn't they give us a faithful dub then? Along side DBZ at the time we had the extremely faithful Gundam Wing which proved that a faithful dub with ALL the original music and minimal (in the evenings) editing can be a smashing success in America. There was NO good reason for FUNi to continue to follow in the path that Saban led them to till then.

What's worse, they could have made up for it in 2005 when they were redubbing the show. So, what do they do with this glorious, fresh start? THEY USE THE FUCKING SABAN SCRIPT FOR NEARLY THE ENTIRE THING! I'm sorry, but there is no excuse for the BS FUNimation put DB through.

1999 was 10 years ago. That's a decade. That's a pretty long time there buddy.

[XanatosVanBadass]

But all of that's in the past and we can't change it.

Agreed, but you have to admit there was no real reason to change as much as they did.

1999 was 10 years ago. That's a decade. That's a pretty long time there buddy.

Maybe, but around that time is when dubs were beginning to be done with a fair amount of respect. Its not like DBZ was an 80s dub in the same vain as Robotech or Voltron.

[Kunzait_83]

But all of that's in the past and we can't change it. So just deal with it and let people who actually enjoyed those changes be happy.

I could easily flip that around and ask why you can’t deal with the fact that there are people who DON’T enjoy the changes, who find them to be annoying and idiotic, and why you can’t simply allow them to feel that way and to express it on a forum that’s here for folks to say (more or less) whatever the hell they damn well feel like about Dragon Ball. Them doing so isn’t physically driving needles under your fingernails, so I don’t see why you should care so much and get so twisted out of shape everytime someone says something negative about the dub or about FUNimation’s handling and marketing of it.

[Dr. Casey]

I fail to see what's asinine about wanting Dragon Ball Z to simply be handled no differently than what's now considered "standard" for any other (non-4Kids) anime release these days. And last I checked, having American replacement BGM in lieu of or even alongside the original BGM is not what any "real" anime licensors do to their titles anymore, FUNimation included.

In fact, I think even 4Kids might be on the right path. I know that lately they've started streaming subtitled versions of Sonic X, and subbing a series that had little demand for it (Both because Sonic X isn't that popular, and because its fanbase is mainly composed of kids that probably don't care that much about receiving a sub or a quality dub) is definitely a step in the right direction.

Though, I'll keep on disliking 4Kids for the time being, because the idea that they might be becoming respectable and decent is just way too crazy for me to accept right away. It's like trying to believe the sky's green and grass is blue.

[ShadowDude112]

1999 was 10 years ago. That's a decade. That's a pretty long time there buddy.

Maybe, but around that time is when dubs were beginning to be done with a fair amount of respect. Its not like DBZ was an 80s dub in the same vain as Robotech or Voltron.

There's no point in arguing with you is there? You'll always want to prove yourself right and the other person wrong.

[XanatosVanBadass]

There's no point in arguing with you is there? You'll always want to prove yourself right and the other person wrong.

Um . . . what? Isn't that what the essence of a debate is?

[Kendamu]

The thing that's asinine was his attitude, really.

I fail to see how my attitude is devoid of intelligence. If you're going to argue my point, you might wanna actually do it instead of just finding a fancy way of calling me stupid.



EDIT: Oh, and they went back and "revised" the audio in 2007. Sure, it was half-assed but the effort was put forward in a modern dubbing era. Therefore, Dragonball Z is subject to modern dubbing standards.

[VegettoEX]

If people can't play nice, they cannot and will not be allowed to discuss. Keep that in mind, please. Ultra-shônen. C'mon! You couple specific people know better. Thanks!

[jjgp1112]

The thing that's asinine was his attitude, really.

I fail to see how my attitude is devoid of intelligence. If you're going to argue my point, you might wanna actually do it instead of just finding a fancy way of calling me stupid.

You're going around with a condescending attitude and telling people how they should watch the show, and acting as if dub fans not wanting to watch the so-called proper way of watching the show is a bad thing, and that they want to avoid the Japanese version just because it is proper. It's just really silly and annoying to me.

The way I worded that was probably incredibly confusing, so I apologize in advance.

[Kendamu]

The thing that's asinine was his attitude, really.

I fail to see how my attitude is devoid of intelligence. If you're going to argue my point, you might wanna actually do it instead of just finding a fancy way of calling me stupid.

You're going around with a condescending attitude and telling people how they should watch the show, and acting as if dub fans not wanting to watch the so-called proper way of watching the show is a bad thing, and that they want to avoid the Japanese version just because it is proper. It's just really silly and annoying to me.

The way I worded that was probably incredibly confusing, so I apologize in advance.

No, what I'm saying is, "The dub music isn't on the DragonBox. I guess you're going to have to watch it as originally intended." I don't see what's wrong with that statement. The show's original OST is the show's original intended BGM. If you don't like it, tough. That's the original intended BGM. That's the way it was originally meant to be seen. It's not a preference, it's just the way the show was originally produced. I don't see how I can make this fact any clearer.

It's not a condescending attitude, it's the facts. The Dragonbox has the original intended BGM. If you're getting the Dragonbox, you're stuck with the original intended BGM. That's all I'm saying.

[jjgp1112]

I fail to see how my attitude is devoid of intelligence. If you're going to argue my point, you might wanna actually do it instead of just finding a fancy way of calling me stupid.

You're going around with a condescending attitude and telling people how they should watch the show, and acting as if dub fans not wanting to watch the so-called proper way of watching the show is a bad thing, and that they want to avoid the Japanese version just because it is proper. It's just really silly and annoying to me.

The way I worded that was probably incredibly confusing, so I apologize in advance.

No, what I'm saying is, "The dub music isn't on the DragonBox. I guess you're going to have to watch it as originally intended." I don't see what's wrong with that statement. The show's original OST is the show's original intended BGM. If you don't like it, tough. That's the original intended BGM. That's the way it was originally meant to be seen. It's not a preference, it's just the way the show was originally produced. I don't see how I can make this fact any clearer.

It's not a condescending attitude, it's the facts. The Dragonbox has the original intended BGM. If you're getting the Dragonbox, you're stuck with the original intended BGM. That's all I'm saying.

Well, maybe you should have worded it better. You act like he's dreading it and it's a victory for you.

[B]

I fail to see what's asinine about wanting Dragon Ball Z to simply be handled no differently than what's now considered "standard" for any other (non-4Kids) anime release these days. And last I checked, having American replacement BGM in lieu of or even alongside the original BGM is not what any "real" anime licensors do to their titles anymore, FUNimation included.

In fact, I think even 4Kids might be on the right path. I know that lately they've started streaming subtitled versions of Sonic X

I would hate to stray offtopic, but WHAT?[/b]

[ShadowDude112]

I fail to see what's asinine about wanting Dragon Ball Z to simply be handled no differently than what's now considered "standard" for any other (non-4Kids) anime release these days. And last I checked, having American replacement BGM in lieu of or even alongside the original BGM is not what any "real" anime licensors do to their titles anymore, FUNimation included.

In fact, I think even 4Kids might be on the right path. I know that lately they've started streaming subtitled versions of Sonic X

I would hate to stray offtopic, but WHAT?[/b]

I know I'm just as surprised as you are.

[Dr. Casey]

I fail to see what's asinine about wanting Dragon Ball Z to simply be handled no differently than what's now considered "standard" for any other (non-4Kids) anime release these days. And last I checked, having American replacement BGM in lieu of or even alongside the original BGM is not what any "real" anime licensors do to their titles anymore, FUNimation included.

In fact, I think even 4Kids might be on the right path. I know that lately they've started streaming subtitled versions of Sonic X

I would hate to stray offtopic, but WHAT?

I'm not really sure whatever became of the Sonic X subbing project (I read about this at another message board back in July), but here's the preview with five minutes of subbed material. I don't believe anyone's ever subbed the Metarex arc (Well, someone did episode 53, but that's it, along with a sub of the French version), so 4Kids will be redeemed in my eyes if they sub the last third of the series.