Masashi Kishimoto(Naruto) and Toriyama Pics

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:12 am

I don't even like Naruto anymore, but that Goku looks really cool (but where are his muscles?).
I'm still not used to Mr. Toriyama's less muscled versions of the characters. ^^; At first glance that looked like Goten to me.
Infact it still looks like Goten to me. Goku-ish hair with thin arms and long black sleeves equals Goten in my mind. >_<

When I first clicked the link I thought it was going to be an actual photo of the two authors. I was curious to see how Mr. Toriyama's aged (as all the photos I've ever seen of him are from the early/mid-90's).

I'm starting to wonder if Mr. Kishimoto's one of those artists who works better under less time constraints, as his piece up there looks way more vibrant than the stiffness I've seen in his recent work.

The similarities between Naruto's first outfit and the Kame gi look even MORE obvious once you stick him in a Kame gi. XD

I vaguely wonder if Mr. Oda feels jealous; the Luffy Mr. Toriyama drew for One Piece's 10th anniversary was a single drawing w/no color. This here, THIS is a poster.

*Feels kinda bad for Mr. Oda, partly because she likes OP way more than Naruto*.

At least this makes for interesting topics for those people who love Naruto and bash Dragon Ball. *Kinda feels like doing a Phoenix Wright "Take that!"* :3

I have this feeling I'm way more blunt about things when I come back from work than under normal circumstances...but hey, I'm allowed to have my opinion; that entire period a couple years back where people were trying to peer-pressure me into dumping DB for Naruto while they insulted DB was depressing as hell for me. Seeing the two authors displaying respect and maturity makes me feel relieved.

If Naruto starred Goku, I would so start watching again.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:01 am

DemonRin wrote:Whoa!

Do you have a link to any more of these? I wana see if Eiichiro Oda did one!

He did

http://imagefruity.com/viewer.php?file= ... 5dmipl.jpg

I'm a bit disappointed, though...

Chuquita wrote:
I'm starting to wonder if Mr. Kishimoto's one of those artists who works better under less time constraints, as his piece up there looks way more vibrant than the stiffness I've seen in his recent work.

You're right. To be completely honest, I don't care for Kishimoto's current style at all. I know he's trying to go for the more realistic look...but I'm a fan of the cartoony style.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:12 am

Big Momma wrote:
DemonRin wrote:Whoa!

Do you have a link to any more of these? I wana see if Eiichiro Oda did one!
He did

http://imagefruity.com/viewer.php?file= ... 5dmipl.jpg

I'm a bit disappointed, though...

Chuquita wrote:
I'm starting to wonder if Mr. Kishimoto's one of those artists who works better under less time constraints, as his piece up there looks way more vibrant than the stiffness I've seen in his recent work.
You're right. To be completely honest, I don't care for Kishimoto's current style at all. I know he's trying to go for the more realistic look...but I'm a fan of the cartoony style.

That's the Mr. Oda piece?

I also feel disappointed; he jumped to one of his alternate styles--I know I've seen this alternate style used on a title page semi-recently--instead of using the one he typically uses for One Piece (and for his Dragon Ball drawing).

I mean, its nice, but....I'd rather he have drawn it using his typical One Piece style.

AH! That's the issue?! He wants to make it look more realistic?
That would explain the stiffness, as people don't have the wide range of movements you can find in cartoon-style artwork.

It's a shame really; I liked his earlier artwork which seemed much more fluid and lively, especially considering this is a shounen and I think Mr. Kishimoto's earlier style enhanced the fights more than his current style.

Maybe he's trying to challenge himself with realistic art because he feels its a weak point he needs to practice? I dunno.

Good to know that he could go back to the older, flexible art if he chooses.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:58 am

Well, as Toriyama shows, an artist is constantly changing styles.... if you don't like his current style, it's not necessarily a pemanant thing.

B · Post by B » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:30 am

Wow, the Shaman King and JJBA tributes are sweet. But, to still keep it semi-DB related, here's Yoshio Sawai's tribute, the author of Bobobo-Bo Bo-Bobo and the "One on One" DBZ Parody.

Chuquita wrote:I vaguely wonder if Mr. Oda feels jealous; the Luffy Mr. Toriyama drew for One Piece's 10th anniversary was a single drawing w/no color. This here, THIS is a poster.
*Feels kinda bad for Mr. Oda, partly because she likes OP way more than Naruto*.

I noticed this too, but then I realized Toriyama did an entire volume of manga with Oda; Cross Epoch. That kind of trumps one color spread.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:40 am

B wrote:Wow, the Shaman King and JJBA tributes are sweet. But, to still keep it semi-DB related, here's Yoshio Sawai's tribute, the author of Bobobo-Bo Bo-Bobo and the "One on One" DBZ Parody.

Chuquita wrote:I vaguely wonder if Mr. Oda feels jealous; the Luffy Mr. Toriyama drew for One Piece's 10th anniversary was a single drawing w/no color. This here, THIS is a poster.
*Feels kinda bad for Mr. Oda, partly because she likes OP way more than Naruto*.
I noticed this too, but then I realized Toriyama did an entire volume of manga with Oda; Cross Epoch. That kind of trumps one color spread.

Mr. Sawai's looks good!

That's true, and Cross Epoch did have that two-page-wide full color section...
*Nods thoughtfully*.

I can't believe I forgot about Cross Epoch. >_<;;; I really enjoyed that crossover too.

I wonder if Bleach will get a Toriyama gift if/when they hit the 10 year mark. (Looks like it started in 2002 according to ANN so I guess we'll find out a few years from now.) It's almost like Jump Congratulatory Checkpoint. XD Make it through a decade with your series while keeping it popular and profitable and you'll receive the Toriyama Award. :3

If I were the author of a manga at Jump, I'd aspire to earn one.

IncompetentOverlord · Post by **IncompetentOverlord** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:32 pm

Man, I'm really loving Toriyama's new style. I think it's his best yet aside from the 23rd Budokai/Saiyajin arc style.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:12 am

I'm guessing the Chibi-fied, less muscular version of Son Goku is more reminiscent of his 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai design considering he's more similar to Naruto in that age. Of course, the realistic explanation being it's part of his current style, but I've seen some muscular versions of Goku in his current Chibi design. Overall, I agree with the previous post, his current design is one of my favorites following the 23 Tenkaichi Budokai, Saiyan, and Cell arcs. I think it's the coloring tool he uses and the creature designs. But those have always been great.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:29 am

Saw them last night, kick ass artwork and I wish Kishimoto would draw more like that since his artwork is getting worst now if you ask me now.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:54 am

Ten years of weekly drawing did a number on Toriyama's art, so Kishimoto deserves some slack (not to mention the series hasn't exactly been light-hearted for years now).

I really like Kishimoto's Naruto-Son and his Shen Long. I have to wonder if he and Oda do these little side projects spread over weeks, considering their schedules.

Shoryuken · Post by **Shoryuken** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:52 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:Saw them last night, kick ass artwork and I wish Kishimoto would draw more like that since his artwork is getting worst now if you ask me now.

Tite Kubo is getting terrible by the chapters, I mean come on Kenpachi prior to his fight against Yammy was broad shouldered and muscular, now he extremely skinny. Not to mention Ichigo who now looks like a skeleton.

On topic:
I found it fascinating how Kubo could make Orochimaru look even more effeminate than he already is.

Sanjiscool · Post by **Sanjiscool** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:07 pm

Oda's looks severely rushed, but then again the man has been incredibly busy.

Shoryuken · Post by **Shoryuken** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:18 pm

Sanjiscool wrote:Oda's looks severely rushed, but then again the man has been incredibly busy.

You are right about the being busy part, but I think Oda's entry looks more like a traditional (ancient) japanese drawing.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:46 pm

Kingdom Heartless wrote:Imagine how it would feel having Toriyama do art of your work...

My raction would probably be something like this:

I'm pretty sure that was Oda's reaction when he had an interview with him, when they drew pics and when they did Cross Epoch together.

JulieYBM wrote:Ten years of weekly drawing did a number on Toriyama's art, so Kishimoto deserves some slack (not to mention the series hasn't exactly been light-hearted for years now).

Toriyama's art style changed over time not because of Dragon Ball. We even saw that change happen during DB. Toriyama was also doing art for games like Dragon Quest, Chrono Trigger and Tobal. Plus there were his random one-shots as well.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:15 pm

I'm speaking less in terms of style, and more in terms of roughness. I know there are a few panels in the last two volumes were Toriyama's art appears a little lazy and rough, but after eleven years of this stuff, it's undertstandable.

But it's hard, at least at this point, to determine if Kishimoto has reached a breaking point, is ill, or just had to rush a little due to a damaged page on occasion. I know there have been quite a few panels I've liked of Kishimoto's recently, and quite a few I could tell were a little 'off', so to speak.

How does this relate to Dragon Ball? Aside from comparing an artist's art quality...not at all.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:27 pm

I would like to see Kentaro Miura draw some pictures for this artwork book though.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:25 pm

JulieYBM wrote:But it's hard, at least at this point, to determine if Kishimoto has reached a breaking point, is ill, or just had to rush a little due to a damaged page on occasion.

It's easy to see, really. It looks like Kishi's relying on killing off characters as a means to try make the story progress at this point.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:03 pm

Tsukento wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:But it's hard, at least at this point, to determine if Kishimoto has reached a breaking point, is ill, or just had to rush a little due to a damaged page on occasion.
It's easy to see, really. It looks like Kishi's relying on killing off characters as a means to try make the story progress at this point.

And then pulling a "WTFHAX" to bring them all back.

Commander_Red · Post by **Commander_Red** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:55 pm

JulieYBM wrote:I really like Kishimoto's Naruto-Son and his Shen Long. I have to wonder if he and Oda do these little side projects spread over weeks, considering their schedules.

I don't think it would take them very long to push this sort of thing out considering their amount of skill at it.

AndoKomando · Post by **AndoKomando** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:52 pm

Man, Kishimoto is really good. I really like his Shenlong. As for Toriyama's art style, I prefer his DB style more than his Z style but still his art style is, in my opinion, better than Kishimoto's.