If Goku hadn't smashed his head as a baby....

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:39 am

Do you believe his presense would have led to the genocide of the human race? And I'm not raising questions of whether Old Timer would have killed him or anything like that, I'm talking about if there was any chance that "Kakarot" would have gone on to grow into a good hearted person under Gohan's influence. I mean, judging from Vegeta, it's not impossible for a Saiya-jin to develop a heart, so I personally believe that with someone as pure as Gohan, there is a good chance that Goku would have not killed the entire species. Clearly he wouldn't be the same Goku that we know and love, but I think it's interesting to consider whether there was an area for him in between killing machine and..... Goku.

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:01 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:Do you believe his presense would have led to the genocide of the human race? And I'm not raising questions of whether Old Timer would have killed him or anything like that, I'm talking about if there was any chance that "Kakarot" would have gone on to grow into a good hearted person under Gohan's influence. I mean, judging from Vegeta, it's not impossible for a Saiya-jin to develop a heart, so I personally believe that with someone as pure as Gohan, there is a good chance that Goku would have not killed the entire species. Clearly he wouldn't be the same Goku that we know and love, but I think it's interesting to consider whether there was an area for him in between killing machine and..... Goku.

I'm not sure comparing Vegeta and Goku is a fair point. From what I understand, Goku was highly brainwashed to fulfil his goal. Presumably so, as you say, baby Saiyans aren't brought up with kind guardians and refuse to carry out their Saiyan duties.

Seeing as the sending of babies to planets seems to be a common and effective tactic, I believe the likelihood of any Saiyan child, even Goku, simply overcoming their indoctrination through enough kind words and cuddles is very low.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:28 am

I wrote a fanfic about this a long time ago. I'll try and dig it up soon and see what I thought.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:45 am

Here's Goku if he hadn't hit his head as a baby.

Shoryuken · Post by **Shoryuken** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:47 am

Sprite Satan wrote:
Kingdom Heartless wrote:Do you believe his presense would have led to the genocide of the human race? And I'm not raising questions of whether Old Timer would have killed him or anything like that, I'm talking about if there was any chance that "Kakarot" would have gone on to grow into a good hearted person under Gohan's influence. I mean, judging from Vegeta, it's not impossible for a Saiya-jin to develop a heart, so I personally believe that with someone as pure as Gohan, there is a good chance that Goku would have not killed the entire species. Clearly he wouldn't be the same Goku that we know and love, but I think it's interesting to consider whether there was an area for him in between killing machine and..... Goku.
I'm not sure comparing Vegeta and Goku is a fair point. From what I understand, Goku was highly brainwashed to fulfil his goal. Presumably so, as you say, baby Saiyans aren't brought up with kind guardians and refuse to carry out their Saiyan duties.

Seeing as the sending of babies to planets seems to be a common and effective tactic, I believe the likelihood of any Saiyan child, even Goku, simply overcoming their indoctrination through enough kind words and cuddles is very low.

Sending a baby down to Earth has to be a stupid idea since it requires next to no effort to kill it. Why doesn't Freeza just send one of his henchmen to do his bidding, then train the saiya-jin child into a capable warrior and then repeat ad infinitum.

If Goku never received the blow to the head, he would certainly be more evil and destroy the earth bit by bit when transforming into an Oozaru, but if people, earthlings that is, were smart enough they would figure out that it was the kid who as an Oozaru wrecked havoc and kill Goku.
People like Yamucha only needed a diversion and then he could cut off Goku's tail reducing him to his "human" state.

Still as everyone here probably knows the best answer for the question is manifested in the villain that is Turles.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:06 am

I don't want Goku to be an evil Galactic Gardener...

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:31 am

Shoryuken wrote:Sending a baby down to Earth has to be a stupid idea since it requires next to no effort to kill it. Why doesn't Freeza just send one of his henchmen to do his bidding, then train the saiya-jin child into a capable warrior and then repeat ad infinitum.

Probably to make something useful out of trash. It's basically abandonment, but in the meantime the Saiyan child might take down a planet's population a bit to make the job easier by the time Freeza's forces get around to taking the planet entirely.

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:16 am

Allow me to add Elfen Lied into this...

In Elfen Lied, there is a mutated race called Diclonius. This race, was known for being blood thirsty and violent and had to be killed even if they were newborn babies.

But, a Diclonius named "Nana" was good-natured and refused to kill humans. This was thuoght to be the result of being cared for and recieving love from Kurama compared to the Diclonius who get tortured, neglected, and suffered from horrible experements.

And therefore, it's speculated that the violent behaviour of the Diclonius is caused by being abused since birth and it's possible to raise them to be like a normal human if recieved the proper treatment.

So, getting back to Dragon Ball, I say it's possible for Goku to turn the into a peacfull Earthling if he recieved the proper treatment from Gohan even if he didn't hit his head.

Blade · Post by **Blade** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:27 am

I guess we can't be sure, but I suppose in terms of power he would have never made it over 9000

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:18 am

SHINOBI-03 wrote:So, getting back to Dragon Ball, I say it's possible for Goku to turn the into a peacfull Earthling if he recieved the proper treatment from Gohan even if he didn't hit his head.

Possible... but, at best, we'd get something like Cell Arc Vegeta. Maybe Jump Special Vegeta if we're really lucky.

EDIT: I don't see it being likely, though. Saiyans are murderous brawlers by nature. The what's-their-names that you're talking about were provoked and traumatized into what they are. It'd be like saying that Gohan is a demented murderous freakbaby because when he's in a pinch his power explodes and something violent happens.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:23 am

Blade wrote:I guess we can't be sure, but I suppose in terms of power he would have never made it over 9000

*laugh track*
*applause*

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:52 pm

I would definitely agree he'd be more like Cell arc Vegeta. He would be an asshole to everyone and definitely have killed more villains instead of sparing them.

He probably would have killed Bulma on their first meeting.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:02 pm

He would have kill Bluma, and Yamcha most likely. Roshi might have stop him if he goes at full power like he did against Oozaru Goku.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:44 pm

Kendamu wrote:Here's Goku if he hadn't hit his head as a baby.
*snip*

Nah, that's just Tullece.

Here's Goku if he hadn't hit his head...

the_abberration · Post by **the_abberration** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:32 pm

Quite possibly:

Gohan would have died saving Goku from the fall so he doesn't hit his head.

Upon meeting Bulma, he would kill her after learning how she found him and about the Dragonballs.

Having three of the seven Dragonballs, knowing their power, and armed with the Dragon Radar he would have hunted down and killed Oolong and the villagers and Pilaf.

He would then use his "being a child" to trick Master Roshi into putting out the fire at Mt. Frypan and claim the last two remaining Dragonballs.

Roshi, Ox King, and Chi Chi would team up to fight him and have him almost beaten until the full moon comes out and turns the tide.

The next day, Goku would use the Dragonballs to wish for immortality. However before he can, Kami would choose to come down (as he can not let this go on any further) and kills Goku.

or

during the fight, Goku hits his head and becomes good. Out of guilt for the damage he has caused, he decides to becomes Earth's protector. He then uses the Dragonballs to wish for everyone he killed to be revived.

Rami · Post by **Rami** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:05 pm

Kendamu wrote:I don't see it being likely, though. Saiyans are murderous brawlers by nature. The what's-their-names that you're talking about were provoked and traumatized into what they are. It'd be like saying that Gohan is a demented murderous freakbaby because when he's in a pinch his power explodes and something violent happens.

I've seen Elfen Lied myself and as Shinobi pointed out, the Diclonius were naturally gifted in power, as the Saiyans were. They didn't become powerful as result of their torture/abuse, but it certainly made them hostile and bitter toward the humans that had hurt them, thus more likely to kill everything in sight.

FuniYamcha · Post by **FuniYamcha** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:11 pm

I don't think Gohan's upbringing would have mattered, considering that a Goku who never hit his head would be damned unruly, and at some point would have stayed up late and saw the moon, and a certain Gohan would be dead. Therefore, no upbringing to make Goku nice.

Ultimate_DB_Fan · Post by **Ultimate_DB_Fan** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:15 pm

As mentioned above, I think we would've gotten a Cell arc-type Goku.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:40 pm

Rami wrote:
Kendamu wrote:I don't see it being likely, though. Saiyans are murderous brawlers by nature. The what's-their-names that you're talking about were provoked and traumatized into what they are. It'd be like saying that Gohan is a demented murderous freakbaby because when he's in a pinch his power explodes and something violent happens.
I've seen Elfen Lied myself and as Shinobi pointed out, the Diclonius were naturally gifted in power, as the Saiyans were. They didn't become powerful as result of their torture/abuse, but it certainly made them hostile and bitter toward the humans that had hurt them, thus more likely to kill everything in sight.

I wasn't talking about their power. Sorry for not clarifying. The idea was that the Diclonius became bitter and hateful. Saiyans are just naturally brutal people. That's the main difference and that's why showing Goku love and care wouldn't likely work nearly as well as the Diclonius.

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:42 pm

He would had an IQ higher than a dish sponge.

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