"Supreme" Kai really was beyond useless

[mystic trunks]

I mean, what did this guy really accomplish? I'm pretty sure he isn't even supposed to meddel in the affairs of the lower world, and by doing so what was the payoff? If it wasn't for him, Buu wouldn't have even been revived, vegeta and the rest of the z warriors wouldn't have died, and the Earth wouldn't have been destroyed.This guy was a Supreme failure. LMAO!

[Savage68]

You say that as though he actually knew what was going to happen.

He did his best to try to obviate Buu's revival. And he was stronger than Piccolo, so he wasn't that useless.

[mystic trunks]

You say that as though he actually knew what was going to happen.

He did his best to try to obviate Buu's revival. And he was stronger than Piccolo, so he wasn't that useless.

He couldn't even sense peoples' power. Even King Kai could do that.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I mean, what did this guy really accomplish? I'm pretty sure he isn't even supposed to meddel in the affairs of the lower world, and by doing so what was the payoff? If it wasn't for him, Buu wouldn't have even been revived, vegeta and the rest of the z warriors wouldn't have died, and the Earth wouldn't have been destroyed.This guy was a Supreme failure. LMAO!

He was introduced in the series pretty much to, well, introduce the new threat of Majin Boo. At first, he appeared to be this mysterious being, who caused even Piccolo to forfeit from their match. After that, he slid into his "supreme pussy" role.

I think Kaioshin only meddled in the affairs of the lower world because of Majin Boo. Majin Boo was not only a threat to Earth, but the whole universe and the afterlife itself. Remember that Boo previously killed all Kaioshins but East Kaioshin (Supreme Kai). If it was really his job to meddle in the affairs of the lower world, then he would've done something about Freeza or Cell. Anyhow, Toriyama probably hadn't thought him up yet.

And you can't blame everything on Kaioshin. I'm sure events would've turned out in a similar way whether or not Kaioshin came.

[Savage68]

He couldn't even sense peoples' power. Even King Kai could do that.

Wait, what? He was bad at gauging ki, sure, but he proved that he could at least sense them more than once.

When Gohan powered up against Buu's ball, when he sensed Super Buu exterminating the humans...what am I missing?

And Frieza and Fat Buu can't sense ki either. That didn't mean they were useless.

[mystic trunks]

@ Piccolo Daimao:
That is a great monkier for him, Supreme Pussy. But I don't think things would have turned out the same because, if they hadn't taken Gohan's energy to Babidi(Kai's call), and led Vegeta to Babidi's power,explaining that Spopos power came from Babidi, the fat thing would not have even seen the light of day.

[Piccolo Daimao]

@ Piccolo Daiamo:
That is a great monkier for him, Supreme Pussy. But I don't think things would have turned out the same because, if they hadn't taken Gohan's energy to Babidi(Kai's call), and led Vegeta to Babidi's power,explaining that Spopos power came from Babidi, the fat thing would not have even seen the light of day.

Oh yes. It would be easy for Kaioshin to just let Gohan blast apart Spopovich & Yamu.

[Kendamu]

Kaioshin was a measuring stick. He was supposed to be the most powerful being in the universe, but it turned out that the Saiyans made him look like a weakling in comparison. Partially, his presence was required to show that the Saiyans were stronger than the highest Gods in the Cosmos at that point.

[Kaboom]

Kaioshin was a measuring stick.

Precisely. Kaioshin's there to make others look good. In particular the Saiyans and Majin Boo (and if you ask me, Piccolo too >_>).

[FuniYamcha]

You know, I was always fascinated how the God of Gods had absolutely no real ability to control anything. No special powers that only he had, nothing. Well, except for a vast amount of ability to make poor decisions. "Okay, Gohan is putting off enough energy to really help fill Buu's ball, I should go ahead and let them take all of it. Yup, that's the only way to find out where Babidi's lair is. I couldn't just wait until Yamu/Spopovich absorb more humans and return to the ship, fuck that."

[rereboy]

You know, I was always fascinated how the God of Gods had absolutely no real ability to control anything. No special powers that only he had, nothing. Well, except for a vast amount of ability to make poor decisions. "Okay, Gohan is putting off enough energy to really help fill Buu's ball, I should go ahead and let them take all of it. Yup, that's the only way to find out where Babidi's lair is. I couldn't just wait until Yamu/Spopovich absorb more humans and return to the ship, fuck that."

All Kaioshins could kill Freeza with a single blow. That`s pretty powerful, you know?

I mean, the Kaios were weaker than Nappa (at least the one who trained Goku was). We don`t know exactly how strong the Dai Kaio was, but I suspect he wasn`t very strong. But the upper gods were way, way more powerful than the Kaios. I mean, going from weaker than Nappa to being able to kill Freeza with a blow. What a difference in power! Compared to the other gods of the Dragon world, the Kaioshin really are ultra gods.

The things is... Goku and the gang had become SO powerful, that even that was a joke to them by then.

[Bussani]

Kaioshin had no special powers? How about Elder Kaioshin's power unlocking ability? You might say he only has that because he fused with a witch; then what about the Potara themselves? And the ability to travel to any world. And the ability to sense what's going on back on Earth from the Kaioshin Realm. And like rereboy said, each was strong enough to take down Freeza, the strongest being to naturally exist in the universe before the Saiyans came along.

Things would have turned out the same if Kaioshin hadn't come along, or worse. Without Gohan, Goku and Vegeta, Babidi would have just collected energy more slowly, with no Kaioshin to interfere with him, and revived Buu with no opposition. He may not have been revived on Earth (they'd move around to collect more energy), but let's just say he was for the sake of argument. Goku wouldn't be around, because he only had one day on Earth and that would have been a while ago since they were collecting energy more slowly. So there would be no fusion dance for the heroes. No potara from the Kaioshin. No power unlocking.

...Yep, the universe would be pretty screwed.

[mystic trunks]

If he was so strong, why was he blown away by base Vegeta's power?

[Gaffer Tape]

Again, because that was the joke. The powerups in the series were becoming self-parody. They had already surpassed God (Kami-sama), God's God (Kaio), and now, before God's God's God shows up, he's already outclassed. The same kind of joke is done when Roukaioshin boasts about his ability to do a powerup. Goku and Gohan are dumbfounded because they've been through powerup characters all the time by this point. It's supposed to be a joke.

But in all seriousness, yes, he was intended to be a baseline. The ultimate god, outclassed by our heroes who are, in turn, outclassed by Buu. It's supposed to raise the level of the threat.

[B]

If he was so strong, why was he blown away by base Vegeta's power?

You are not getting it. His worth to the story goes beyond simple strength. read the post RIGHT above you, and then THINK about it for a few minutes.

Yes, we are all aware the Saiyans at that point could kill East Kaioshin with a pelvic thrust ten feet away. Could you try to make actual points when you criticize something?

[mystic trunks]

If he was so strong, why was he blown away by base Vegeta's power?

You are not getting it. His worth to the story goes beyond simple strength. read the post RIGHT above you, and then THINK about it for a few minutes.

Yes, we are all aware the Saiyans at that point could kill East Kaioshin with a pelvic thrust ten feet away. Could you try to make actual points when you criticize something?

No, you're not getting it. My point was already made. There are simply different points of view. Do YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE?

[B]

Maybe I would have understood if you had said, "'Supreme' Kai really was beyond useless when it came to going one-on-one with Buu."

[Bussani]

Maybe I would have understood if you had said, "'Supreme' Kai really was beyond useless when it came to going one-on-one with Buu."

Which is true for pretty much every character, if we consider fusion more than one-on-one. 'Cept Gohan.

[mystic trunks]

Maybe I would have understood if you had said, "'Supreme' Kai really was beyond useless when it came to going one-on-one with Buu."

The guy was still essentially useless beyond the realm of fighting.

[Kaboom]

He teleported himself, Dende, and Old Kaioshin to New Namek so they could summon Porunga, without whom Kid Boo would not have been vanquished.

There. Kaioshin's contribution.