Anime Insider's Top 10 reasons to get DBZ Uncut

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:18 pm

Fushar wrote:
Dayspring wrote:
Fushar wrote:Ahh ok, but i dont like DBZ movies anyways. The only one i like is "The Dead Zone" and its because it takes part in the DBZ storyline, instead all other movies are alternative times which dont belong to the DBZ storyline and are boring.
No it doesn't: It takes place about a year to a few months prior to Z. Goku goes to Kamehouse and meets up w/Krillin, Kamesennin and Bulma to explain everything. Rest of movie takes place. Z starts off as follows: NOBODY's seen Goku in 5 years and are shocked to find out he has a kid.

Then how do you explain Garlic Jr´s 10 episodes saga, he said he was sent to the Dead Zone (movie 1) and he had escaped and then returned looking for revenge on Goku (Garlic Jr saga). Movie 1 was part of the storyline. I'm sure. And please dont come with the "Filler" answer, we know its filler, but thats not a reason to explain it that it still belongs to the storyline.

It was filler that used movie 1 as its premise. Your logic's flawed: if the filler saga ended up being a movie sequel instead of a filler sequel you're saying then and only then would movie 1 not take place.

And B-kun: forget the hair argument then! It's said in the manga and anime by the NARRATOR that Trunks' reason for going back in time when he's in his twenties is to tell them that he succeeded in destroying the androids. Future Cell attacks him and Trunks kills him. Why is Trunks still a teenager in movie 9 but not at the time when he goes back to tell them?

And in movie 9 Trunks still has his sword! It was broken in the series!

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:27 pm

I just figured he had a new sword. Also, how can you tell if he's a teen or in his 20s in that movie anyway?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:31 pm

Super Sonic wrote:I just figured he had a new sword. Also, how can you tell if he's a teen or in his 20s in that movie anyway?

Sword: That's a cop-out response!

Age: There's significant art differences between his twenties and teen artwork. You're reaching, here.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:40 pm

Actually B, I also use the hair argument.

I agree with Dayspring that none of the movies can realistically take place in the storyline. And Fushar, as Dayspring said to Super Sonic, using that filler saga of Garlic Jr. in the series as a form of proof is also reaching. It still doesn't explain the fact that Roshi, Kuririn, and Buruma are suprised Goku has a kid and that they all haven't seen each other for five years, since around the time of the Budokai. You're telling people to not disregard filler, but you are simultaneously disregarding much more concrete discrepancies like the ones I just named.

And here's another one, just for the hell of it. It's funny that Goku and Piccolo were suprised about the idea off teaming up to fight Raditz. You'd think Kuririn would have shouted out, "But guys, you've teamed up before! Uuuuuh remember Garlic Jr. a short while ago?"

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:50 pm

Plus there's even plot holes that stop movie 1 from even being the events that Garlic Jr. is refering too. Garlic Jr. mentions he was trapped in the Dead Zone for 10 years. During the time of this saga, Gohan's only about 7....

The only movies that fit are 9 and 13. And Trunks looks just fine in 9 for his age, his hair re-grew, and he's got a new sword. Big deal.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:54 pm

Xyex wrote:The only movies that fit are 9 and 13.

I personally think movie 5 fits also.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:56 pm

Xyex wrote: And Trunks looks just fine in 9 for his age, his hair re-grew, and he's got a new sword. Big deal.

Dear, I think you're forgetting that little flashback scene in the series when Cell tells Piccolo how he was able to get back to the past. He ambushed Trunks as he was getting ready to come back and tell the others that he successfully killed #17 and #18 in his time. And in that scene, he has short hair.

Mike D · Post by **Mike D** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:59 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Xyex wrote:The only movies that fit are 9 and 13.

I personally think movie 5 fits also.

Movie 8 could fit too.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:01 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:
Xyex wrote: And Trunks looks just fine in 9 for his age, his hair re-grew, and he's got a new sword. Big deal.
Dear, I think you're forgetting that little flashback scene in the series when Cell tells Piccolo how he was able to get back to the past. He ambushed Trunks as he was getting ready to come back and tell the others that he successfully killed #17 and #18 in his time. And in that scene, he has short hair.

I think you're forgetting something else. That's a different time-line. After-all, that Trunks is dead, so he can't be in movie 9. And besdies that, who says Trunks got there the same day as the tournamnet? He could have decided to stick around for a few months at least. And Gohan looks a bit older in Movie 9 than in the Cell Games too...

Mike D · Post by **Mike D** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:14 pm

Xyex wrote:
Jerseymilk wrote:
Xyex wrote: And Trunks looks just fine in 9 for his age, his hair re-grew, and he's got a new sword. Big deal.
Dear, I think you're forgetting that little flashback scene in the series when Cell tells Piccolo how he was able to get back to the past. He ambushed Trunks as he was getting ready to come back and tell the others that he successfully killed #17 and #18 in his time. And in that scene, he has short hair.
I think you're forgetting something else. That's a different time-line. After-all, that Trunks is dead, so he can't be in movie 9. And besdies that, who says Trunks got there the same day as the tournamnet? He could have decided to stick around for a few months at least. And Gohan looks a bit older in Movie 9 than in the Cell Games too...

Hey. It was 7 years (I think) from the Cell Games to the Buu Saga. Anything could have happened. Like Trunks returning from the future to tell everyone that he killed the Androids. At least that's what Bulma said.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:16 pm

True enough, but I got the sense that the only reason Trunks let his hair grow out the first time was because he was stuck in the ROSAT. And let's face it, Vegeta isn't an attentive father like Goku who would offer to cut his son's hair. And forget Trunks cutting it himself. Have you ever tried to cut your own hair? It's darn hard to do it well! He seems to prefer his short style to me. He's quite willing to have it cut by his mother after. So why would he grow it out again? Aaaaaaaaaaand before you tell me that those are just assumptions I'm making, so are yours about Trunks deciding to stick around for few months.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:21 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:True enough, but I got the sense that the only reason Trunks let his hair grow out the first time was because he was stuck in the ROSAT. And let's face it, Vegeta isn't an attentive father like Goku who would offer to cut his son's hair. And forget Trunks cutting it himself. Have you ever tried to cut your own hair? It's darn hard to do it well! He seems to prefer his short style to me. He's quite willing to have it cut by his mother after. So why would he grow it out again? Aaaaaaaaaaand before you tell me that those are just assumptions I'm making, so are yours about Trunks deciding to stick around for few months.

He didn't jump straight at the offer like "Yay, finally, short hair again!" it was more like *shrug* "sure, if you want." so XP to you. And why wouldn't he grow it out? It's not like he hated long hair, and cutting you're own hair isn't that hard really...

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:25 pm

Let me guess, you've cut your own hair before, haven't you?

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And anyway, as you said, he didn't seem to care either way right? So why would he bother to grow it back out again? Same argument can be used for my side too.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:29 pm

I've done it once or twice, ya. And I'm going to be doing it again eventually. All you need is a 'block line' to stop the scissors from going passed. And it's a lot easier to grow hair than to cut it. XP

Mike D wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Xyex wrote:The only movies that fit are 9 and 13.

I personally think movie 5 fits also.
Movie 8 could fit too.

Nope. Those can't work. In movie 5 Goku's on Earth but no one's training to fight the Androids, they're going camping. Plus, Goku can't go SSJ at well but could when he got back from Namek.

Movie 8's close, but Goku and Gohan aren't in SSJ constantly like they should be since it's during the 10 days rest. Plus, life is going on as normal on Earth, people aren't hiding from Cell.

Mike D · Post by **Mike D** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:34 pm

Xyex wrote:
Mike D wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
I personally think movie 5 fits also.
Movie 8 could fit too.
Nope. Those can't work. In movie 5 Goku's on Earth but no one's training to fight the Androids, they're going camping. Plus, Goku can't go SSJ at well but could when he got back from Namek.

Movie 8's close, but Goku and Gohan aren't in SSJ constantly like they should be since it's during the 10 days rest. Plus, life is going on as normal on Earth, people aren't hiding from Cell.

.........

*throws all of his theories out the window*

*shoots them with a magnum* Rest in peace my friends.

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:44 pm

Xyex wrote:Nope. Those can't work. In movie 5 Goku's on Earth but no one's training to fight the Androids, they're going camping. Plus, Goku can't go SSJ at well but could when he got back from Namek.

Movie 8's close, but Goku and Gohan aren't in SSJ constantly like they should be since it's during the 10 days rest. Plus, life is going on as normal on Earth, people aren't hiding from Cell.

Movie 5 also has the problem with Haiyaa Dragon being in it (since he originated in another movie that couldn't possibly happen in the timeline).

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:50 pm

Back to why movie 9 can't take place: The Trunks that's in that movie is the same age as when he last exited the room of spirit and time. He is stated by Bulma in the movie to be a Trunks that just destroyed the androids in the future. However, here's what the NARRATOR tells us about Future Trunks:
"3 years have passed. Bulma has recharged the time machine so that Trunks can go back in time and give the news concerning his victory over the androids to his friends in the past. On the day of his departure..." (Insert Future Trunks vs Future Cell)

In other words, Trunks hasn't gone back in time yet! How can he possibly be the same Trunks if he's 3 years younger in movie 9?

Movie 13 can't take place because Bulma had no reason to construct a time machine.

EDIT: Now that I typed that bit about movie 13 it makes sense: wouldn't they just have used the DBs to resurrect Tapion's kid brother?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:11 pm

Xyex wrote:Nope. Those can't work. In movie 5 Goku's on Earth but no one's training to fight the Androids, they're going camping. Plus, Goku can't go SSJ at will but could when he got back from Namek.

I'm sure they didn't train every single day for three years straight.

Also, when did he have a chance to go SSj? Goku was first relaxed, then close to death, then preoccupied with a fight he thought he could win at Kaioken.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:24 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Xyex wrote:Nope. Those can't work. In movie 5 Goku's on Earth but no one's training to fight the Androids, they're going camping. Plus, Goku can't go SSJ at will but could when he got back from Namek.
I'm sure they didn't train every single day for three years straight.

Also, when did he have a chance to go SSj? Goku was first relaxed, then close to death, then preoccupied with a fight he thought he could win at Kaioken.

Another question - who the hell ever said he can't go SSJ at will? Did he ever say "Damn.. If only... But I can't use Super Saiyan... Damn it all!"? No.

Ever heard of dramatic effect, guys?

Mike D · Post by **Mike D** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:34 pm

Dayspring wrote:EDIT: Now that I typed that bit about movie 13 it makes sense: wouldn't they just have used the DBs to resurrect Tapion's kid brother?

Wasn't he dead for over a year already? Or could it be for, what B-kun said, dramatic effect.

EDIT: Wait, they already used the Dragonballs, in that movie, to wish for that box to be opened.