Dragon Ball Ranking

[Innagadadavida]

A coming of age story for Goku would have been funny, though. I can see one of his signs of puberty be growing a tail and transforming into Oozaru.

"THE BEAST WITHIN YOU HAS AWOKEN THE BEAST WITHIN ME!"

[Savage68]

Honestly, I'll have to disagree with you on that one.(Except that the Whitebeard War is dragging on just a smidge) One Piece is about adventure, which makes it very different from Dragonball, which, with the exception of the Son Goku arc and portions of the Red Ribbon Army and Piccolo Daimao arcs, is pretty much a slam-bang kung fu action tale. With Dragonball, adventure and plot are secondary elements, allowing Toriyama's brilliant fight choreography and instinct for writing uproariously funny gags to shine. With OP, It's fairly clear that the author gives a damn about his manga, whereas Toriyama seems to do it for money and to just plain fool around. Also, with One Piece, Oda is downright obsessive about the minute details of his world, and never really forgets characters, even subordinates on the importance level of Kui and Dodoria. Toriyama wrote a fun, breezy manga that just reeks of martial arts craziness. Oda is writing an imaginary world into existence, that just happens to reek of Pirate Craziness.

Understand that the first part of Dragonball was a mix of well balanced adventure and martial arts [Tournaments] with a well built world as well. All characters were used and not forgotten, so I don't know why you think Oda is the only one who does this when the man just basically copy and pasted from Toriyama. Heck Magellen looks similar to devilman.

Wait...a character in a manga that looks like another character from another manga!? Say it ain't so!

Anyway, do you realize that you're comparing...what, 2/5 of the DB series to the entire 500+ chapters of OP? You've really got a bad argument on your hands here, bro.

[Miracles]

Honestly, I'll have to disagree with you on that one.(Except that the Whitebeard War is dragging on just a smidge) One Piece is about adventure, which makes it very different from Dragonball, which, with the exception of the Son Goku arc and portions of the Red Ribbon Army and Piccolo Daimao arcs, is pretty much a slam-bang kung fu action tale. With Dragonball, adventure and plot are secondary elements, allowing Toriyama's brilliant fight choreography and instinct for writing uproariously funny gags to shine. With OP, It's fairly clear that the author gives a damn about his manga, whereas Toriyama seems to do it for money and to just plain fool around. Also, with One Piece, Oda is downright obsessive about the minute details of his world, and never really forgets characters, even subordinates on the importance level of Kui and Dodoria. Toriyama wrote a fun, breezy manga that just reeks of martial arts craziness. Oda is writing an imaginary world into existence, that just happens to reek of Pirate Craziness.

Understand that the first part of Dragonball was a mix of well balanced adventure and martial arts [Tournaments] with a well built world as well. All characters were used and not forgotten, so I don't know why you think Oda is the only one who does this when the man just basically copy and pasted from Toriyama. Heck Magellen looks similar to devilman.

Wait...a character in a manga that looks like another character from another manga!? Say it ain't so!

Anyway, do you realize that you're comparing...what, 2/5 of the DB series to the entire 500+ chapters of OP? You've really got a bad argument on your hands here, bro.

Quantity=/=Quality, bro. Especially when it bites off the same formula.

[Savage68]

Exactly.

And OP has a higher rate of both quality and quantity, without copying it's story from anything.

Unless you want to just ignore Journey to the East, bro.

[Innagadadavida]

Well you can rip into Toriyama for forgetting characters and applaud Oda for obsessing over every minute detail. But I am glad that Toriyama didn't take his manga so seriously. That's part of his style... No, part of Dragon Ball. One Piece gets too dramatic sometimes for my taste. I'm watching a shonen show because I wanna see some adventure and ass kicking, not snot-nosed crying goodbyes every other episode.

[Savage68]

It's a good thing OP has the former, and not the latter, then.

[Innagadadavida]

It's a good thing OP has the former, and not the latter, then.

So are you saying that One Piece has adventure and ass kicking and no snot-nosed goodbyes? Do you deny that One Piece gets too dramatic too often?

What about the character of Vivi? A walking ball of nerves who breaks down into tears when somebody sneezes and it sounds too close to "Alabasta."

I'm not saying that One Piece doesn't have its fair share of adventure and there's a good bit of ass kicking every now and then. But all that BS in the middle starts to wear on your nerves in large doses. The entire Drum Island arc, which keep in mind was a direct rip off of Rodolf the Red-nosed fucking Reindeer, was 50% heartbreaking flashbacks.

[Kaboom]

One Piece just has a mix of everything. Yes, there are usually dramatic moments during critical parts of the story. Nothing wrong with that.

And if you didn't tear up during the climax of Drum Island, then you have no soul.

[Savage68]

So are you saying that One Piece has adventure and ass kicking and no snot-nosed goodbyes?

No snot-nosed goodbyes? You said that they came about 'every other episode', insinuating that it was incredibly frequent, like Naruto or something.

When it isn't. A goodbye can only happen so many times in a 50-chapter or so arc. And the tears are almost always meant to be taken as comical(for most of the characters), regardless. It's not like the characters are total emos.

[Miracles]

Exactly.

And OP has a higher rate of both quality and quantity, without copying it's story from anything..

One Piece is highly generic and it did copy and paste Dragonball stories. Look at how Impel down was a low budget Red Ribbon arc. Quality easily goes to Dragonball.

[Godo]

Exactly.

And OP has a higher rate of both quality and quantity, without copying it's story from anything..

One Piece is highly generic and it did copy and paste Dragonball stories. Look at how Impel down was a low budget Red Ribbon arc. Quality easily goes to Dragonball.

Impel Down was in no way a low budget Red Ribbon arc. It had a better plot and great action scenes.
I say that it's just as good as the one in Dragonball.
Dragonball wins in that Goku took care of the RR army all alone. But you shouldn't forget that they didn't go there expecting to come out alive, and there was a point where they almost gave up.


I am a Dragonball fan, but I try not to compare different manga that I am a fan of, since it wouldn't be fair.
And it's pointless to debate which manga is better than the other, since we have different art, storytelling, dialouge and action sequences.
Also, in some manga, there are some arcs that are better than the rest.

And maybe it's about time to back to the topic, eh?

[Miracles]

Yeah, lets just get back on topic.

[Dr. Casey]

I think School Days might be my number one anime. Dragon Ball's a bit further down the list.

[Xyex]

50-chapter or so arc.

And this is my main problem with One Piece. It takes too long to get anything done.

[Thanos6]

Not counting films like AKIRA or Castle of Cagliostro (yes, I know that's Lupin III, but I like it a lot more than most of the rest of the Lupin stuff)...

...then DB/Z comes in a very close second, right behind Tenchi Universe.

[IncredibleGuy]

What nonsense powerlevels? Are you talking about the plot device where the whole point was that they were nonsense and not to be relied on?

No, I'm talking nonsense like how in the beginning of the Freeza arc a person could completely dominate another person if their powerlevels differed by just a few hundred points, whereas by the end of the saga a fighter could be a couple hundred thousand points below another fighter and still put up a decent match as long as they had the proper fighting technique.

Also, what? Dragon Ball should have had doctors using western medicine to heal aliens?

Uh... does that make any less sense than aliens using alien medicine to heal humans? Energy healing or whatever you wanna call it is just such a played out overused plot device in Japanese television shows that seeing western medicine used in a popular shonen comic like One Piece felt like a breath of fresh air to me. That's all.

[Thanos6]

No, I'm talking nonsense like how in the beginning of the Freeza arc a person could completely dominate another person if their powerlevels differed by just a few hundred points, whereas by the end of the saga a fighter could be a couple hundred thousand points below another fighter and still put up a decent match as long as they had the proper fighting technique.

Think of this way: the sheer numerical difference isn't what counts, it's the proportionate difference that counts.

400 is only a third of 1200, so Raditz was winning very easily.

12 million is 80% of 15 million (or 120/150, depending on your belief) so Freeza could make it very competitive against Goku.

[IncredibleGuy]

Think of this way: the sheer numerical difference isn't what counts, it's the proportionate difference that counts.

Which is complete nonsense.

Hold on, nonsense power levels? Dragonball's power level system was logical and it worked. One Piece characters pulls power ups out of nowhere and is basically a copy and past of Dragonball.

As illustrated by Thanos above, Dragonball's power level system is certainly not logical, or perhaps you'd like to explain to me the difference between Kai-o-ken and KOKx2. Or why Goku can't use KOK while Super Saiyan. Or whether Super Saiyan is a multiplier, or a flat power boost. Or why Gohan's rage boosts differ in proportion and size everytime they're introduced. Also, I'm at the Skypeia arc of One Piece right now and I haven't witnessed any such powerups yet.

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Hey look, a whole topic on nonsense powerlevels!

[Innagadadavida]

What nonsense powerlevels? Are you talking about the plot device where the whole point was that they were nonsense and not to be relied on?

No, I'm talking nonsense like how in the beginning of the Freeza arc a person could completely dominate another person if their powerlevels differed by just a few hundred points, whereas by the end of the saga a fighter could be a couple hundred thousand points below another fighter and still put up a decent match as long as they had the proper fighting technique.

That was the whole point. You're agreeing with the show. The numbers were introduced in DBZ as a way to give a little perspective and to introduce a different league of fighters who believed the use of technology could be used to determine the outcome of a fight (which by the third episode is proven to be a faulty philosophy). As we move along in the story we see that that technology is unreliable and that our heroes use their skill and spirit to win fights without relying on any sort of technical readout. At the beginning of the Freeza arc the reason one fighter could completely dominate another if they had a higher powerlevel is because their philosophy on battle power was that it was a static concept. It simply did not occur to them that there was any tangible way to control their ki in the way Goku or Captain Ginyu was able to. In fact, it could be argued that the very reason Goku was able to defeat Radditz, Vegeta, and Freeza is because they had a much narrower concept of power. "Battle Powers" served its function within the story and was quickly done away with. It was nonsense.

Now the term "Power Level" was continuously used within the FUNimation dub through out the remainder of Dragon Ball Z (despite not actually referring to the concept of "Power Levels" as per used in the Freeza arc). Kaboom(?) postulates this misleading naming convention might have been the vehicle that pushes that "Power Level" concept beyond its original purpose within the screwy heads of the fans.

Also, what? Dragon Ball should have had doctors using western medicine to heal aliens?

Uh... does that make any less sense than aliens using alien medicine to heal humans? Energy healing or whatever you wanna call it is just such a played out overused plot device in Japanese television shows that seeing western medicine used in a popular shonen comic like One Piece felt like a breath of fresh air to me. That's all.

Yes. Yes it does. Because within the Dragon Ball universe, inner energy, "Ki" is a universal property within all living beings. If one had the ability to heal using Ki, then it could theoretically work on anybody. But you know what else is used to heal in One Piece? Friendship. Totally realistic, right? What a breath of fresh air.
At any rate, using healing powers isn't any more over used than magical super powers or transformations. Both of which are huge parts of One Piece.

[TripleRach]

Yeah, lets just get back on topic.

I agree. This thread has two or three different tangents currently going, so let's try to converge them back into the original topic.