Toriyama and Dragon Ball Evolution

[rereboy]

Aren't the Japanese noted for being excessively polite and not wanting to make a scene?

I don't think there are any Japanese equivalents of Alan Moore.

There are a few cases of Japanese creators who do get upset about the treatment of their work. One of the most famous examples is when Nobuhiro Watsuki, the creator of Rurouni Kenshin, blasted one of Kenshin's anime movies. Naoko Takeuchi of Sailor Moon occasionally complained about a few things, too (but not nearly to the extent that the fandom would have you believe). I'm sure there's at least a few more that I'm forgetting.

Really? Which one did he blast?

[TripleRach]

I don't know the title off the top of my head, but I think it was the final movie? It had to do with the ending of the series, and he apparently didn't like it because it was too dark and depressing or something, whereas the end of the manga was very happy.

[rereboy]

I don't know the title off the top of my head, but I think it was the final movie? It had to do with the ending of the series, and he apparently didn't like it because it was too dark and depressing or something, whereas the end of the manga was very happy.

Ahhhhh, he had the exact same reaction as me then .

God, that movie almost made me cry

[A-dono]

Note to TripleRach and rereboy: The film in question was the OVA titled Samurai X: Reflections, and yes, Watsuki-sensei derided it because of its downer ending.

On topic: Considering that Toriyama intended to end the series at the conclusion of pretty much every story arc since the Pilaf arc, I think he's just happy to be finished with it and doesn't care about silly things like crappy American remakes. He's admitted he's forgotten half of Dragonball so I don't think he'd be incensed about one soon-to-be-forgotten adaptation that has no bearing on the franchise as a whole.

[Xyex]

On topic: Considering that Toriyama intended to end the series at the conclusion of pretty much every story arc since the Pilaf arc, I think he's just happy to be finished with it and doesn't care about silly things like crappy American remakes. He's admitted he's forgotten half of Dragonball so I don't think he'd be incensed about one soon-to-be-forgotten adaptation that has no bearing on the franchise as a whole.

I can buy the wanting to end it after Pilaf, Freeza, Cell, and Buu, but not that he wanted to end it after every Dragonball arc. He seemed to really hit his stride in the 21st Budokai arc and flowed right into the RRA stuff, which was training for the 22nd Budokai so that was a given to occur, and then King Piccolo happened right on the ending of that. Maybe he considered ending it after the 23rd but that ending would feel to 'open' with Piccolo still on the loose and all.

Pilaf was the end of the intended adventure and the Freeza, Cell, and Buu sagas all had set-ups to series closings, so those are believable ending points.

[Super Sayian Prime]

He might have some involvement in a Japanese movie, though. He's apparently got a fairly large role in DBO's design and development choices.

It's funny you say that, Online's being developed in Korea

[Xyex]

He might have some involvement in a Japanese movie, though. He's apparently got a fairly large role in DBO's design and development choices.

It's funny you say that, Online's being developed in Korea

It's being co-developed/produced in Korea and Japan both, actually.

[MCDaveG]

Masami Kurumada was pretty pissed off about last Saint Seiya movie which led him to cancel his long time deal with TOEI Animation and take a series in the middle of Hades arc and finish it with different studio.....
TOEI caused it because he wrote and drawn a new story and they wanted to make a movie from it and he agreed, but he didn't like the final work and what they did with original story and said that they pretty screwed it up and it led him to make a new manga series called Next Dimension, as he's saiyng to purify the name of Saint Seiya.

This is well known from his blog and also, not many people are talking about these author clashes, so it's possible that there is many trouble between authors and people making their adaptations.

[Kendamu]

On topic: Considering that Toriyama intended to end the series at the conclusion of pretty much every story arc since the Pilaf arc, I think he's just happy to be finished with it and doesn't care about silly things like crappy American remakes. He's admitted he's forgotten half of Dragonball so I don't think he'd be incensed about one soon-to-be-forgotten adaptation that has no bearing on the franchise as a whole.

I can buy the wanting to end it after Pilaf, Freeza, Cell, and Buu, but not that he wanted to end it after every Dragonball arc. He seemed to really hit his stride in the 21st Budokai arc and flowed right into the RRA stuff, which was training for the 22nd Budokai so that was a given to occur, and then King Piccolo happened right on the ending of that. Maybe he considered ending it after the 23rd but that ending would feel to 'open' with Piccolo still on the loose and all.

Pilaf was the end of the intended adventure and the Freeza, Cell, and Buu sagas all had set-ups to series closings, so those are believable ending points.

Don't take this as absolute fact because I can't cite my source here, but I remember something being mentioned on here at one point about how Toriyama may have not intended for it to end after Pilaf, but he was prepared to do so. However, while the manga wasn't too popular at the time, it was popular enough that he was allowed to continue it and was given the task of making the next arc a tournament to get more readers (tournaments are popular, I guess).

[Big Momma]

On topic: Considering that Toriyama intended to end the series at the conclusion of pretty much every story arc since the Pilaf arc, I think he's just happy to be finished with it and doesn't care about silly things like crappy American remakes. He's admitted he's forgotten half of Dragonball so I don't think he'd be incensed about one soon-to-be-forgotten adaptation that has no bearing on the franchise as a whole.

I can buy the wanting to end it after Pilaf, Freeza, Cell, and Buu, but not that he wanted to end it after every Dragonball arc. He seemed to really hit his stride in the 21st Budokai arc and flowed right into the RRA stuff, which was training for the 22nd Budokai so that was a given to occur, and then King Piccolo happened right on the ending of that. Maybe he considered ending it after the 23rd but that ending would feel to 'open' with Piccolo still on the loose and all.

Pilaf was the end of the intended adventure and the Freeza, Cell, and Buu sagas all had set-ups to series closings, so those are believable ending points.

Don't take this as absolute fact because I can't cite my source here, but I remember something being mentioned on here at one point about how Toriyama may have not intended for it to end after Pilaf, but he was prepared to do so. However, while the manga wasn't too popular at the time, it was popular enough that he was allowed to continue it and was given the task of making the next arc a tournament to get more readers (tournaments are popular, I guess).

I'm sure all manga-ka have a ready end point near the beginning of their series, just in case it isn't as popular as they hope it will be.

[Kendamu]

I'm sure all manga-ka have a ready end point near the beginning of their series, just in case it isn't as popular as they hope it will be.

Not all. I remember one that was setting up for a big arc before it suddenly was cancelled. The poor guy had to finish up his manga in just a few chapters. Looked like a year's worth of material just crammed into a month.

I'm sure you're right for the most part, though. I just mentioned it so maybe people would have an idea of where the "It was supposed to end after Pilaf" rumor came from.

[fktizle]

I think I believe him. He pretty much said, look guys, don't take it so seriously, it's just a movie based off of my original work. That's like people hating on Star Wars Clone Wars, or anything that's based off of something else.

Akira is rich, I don't think he worries much about Dragonball at this point as long as they give him a share. This was written 20 years ago after all.