Discussion specifically regarding the "refreshed" TV version of DBZ created in Japan for its 20th anniversary, including individual threads for each episode.
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by Super Sonic » Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:48 pm
linkdude20002001 wrote:Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:I guess it would be accurate, but it would just sound bad and Schemmel has already been cast as Goku.
I don't see any reason why Schemmel
can't protray Gokuh as a hick.
Some folk'll never eat a wolf, but then some folk'll like Goku the slack-jawed yokel!
But seriously, do any of you want Goku to sound like Cannonball?
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by linkdude20002001 » Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:56 pm
I think Chichi and Gyu-maoh use bad grammar and Gokuh uses normal grammar, but pronounces certain words in his own way. Though I Masako Nozawa enhanced it a bit with things like "dehkon" instead of "diakon".
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by Tsukento » Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:20 pm
Eh, not quite. Goku tends to use words like "ain't", as well as shortening his words like "somethin'."
Goku's just as bad as speaking as Chi-Chi and Gyuumao in his own manner.
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by penguintruth » Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:51 pm
Goku doesn't need an accent per se (given Funimation's hit-or-miss with accents, it' best to avoid that), the script and delivery just needs a bit of adjusting to make it clear that he's not the most eloquent speaker, whereas Freeza is.
They'll never get anywhere trying to completely copy Masako Nozawa.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
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by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:56 pm
penguintruth wrote:Goku doesn't need an accent per se (given Funimation's hit-or-miss with accents, it' best to avoid that), the script and delivery just needs a bit of adjusting to make it clear that he's not the most eloquent speaker, whereas Freeza is.
They'll never get anywhere trying to completely copy Masako Nozawa.
Agreed. That's really the best that FUNimation can do for Goku.
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by penguintruth » Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:05 am
The real question becomes, what do they do for Umigame?
Same "duhr huhr" voice? Or proper, like in the Viz manga?
Note: It hardly matters, I just wanted to get to different characters.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
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by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:17 am
penguintruth wrote:The real question becomes, what do they do for Umigame?
Same "duhr huhr" voice? Or proper, like in the Viz manga?
Note: It hardly matters, I just wanted to get to different characters.
I actually liked the stupid voice they used for him, he isn't the smartest of people.
But it doesn't really matter that much.
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by Rocketman » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:57 am
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Ize da darn-tooting ally to the justice and da nitemare to youz.
Seriously, it isn't going to happen.
What the hell kinda accent were you even trying to do? To go Suthun-fried with it, it'd be more of a "Bohy, ah's gone tan yo hide!"
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by Dr. Casey » Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:17 am
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:I actually liked the stupid voice they used for him, he isn't the smartest of people.
I don't think there's any point in his limited screentime where Umigame
isn't intelligent. He's the straight man to Roshi, he's always the voice of reason and common sense.
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by LilKokuLink » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:42 am
Just as long as Goku sounds a bit more laid back and uses less fancy words then it's fine by me (in that case then it's the script).
A lot of it must be the script, if it says "wants to" instead of "wanna" then it's less of the actor's fault. Sabat mentioned something about a better translated script on his Facebook page.
Stuff like: "You treat life like a disposable commodity" - Goku wouldn't say that!
Actions have reactions so don't be quick to judge, you may not know the hardships that people don't speak of.
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by penguintruth » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:00 am
Yeah, there's no way Goku even knows what the word "commodity" even means.
Or even "disposable".
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
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by Adamant » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:26 am
Probably not "treat" either

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by penguintruth » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:41 am
He knows what the word "treat" means, but only when it's applied to a snack.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
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by linkdude20002001 » Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:07 pm
Tsukento wrote:Eh, not quite. Goku tends to use words like "ain't", as well as shortening his words like "somethin'."
Goku's just as bad as speaking as Chi-Chi and Gyuumao in his own manner.
Are you talking about the translations or what he actually says in Japanese?
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by Kendamu » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:07 pm
penguintruth wrote:Yeah, there's no way Goku even knows what the word "commodity" even means.
Or even "disposable".
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by Gaffer Tape » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:15 pm
penguintruth wrote:Yeah, there's no way Goku even knows what the word "commodity" even means.
Or even "disposable".
That said, I have to say that Simmons's choice of words for one of Goku's lines during the fight with Vegeta just seems totally out of chracter to me. It's right after Oozaru Vegeta blasts the Genki Dama from Goku, he has a line along the lines of, "That was a terrible miscalculation." I certainly can't imagine Goku ever saying the word "miscalculation," so I wonder what prompted Simmons to use that word?
EDIT: It becomes even stranger in context when it's followed up a few minutes later with the classic, "That's what you call the weasel's last fart"!
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by penguintruth » Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:02 am
Gaffer Tape wrote:[I certainly can't imagine Goku ever saying the word "miscalculation," so I wonder what prompted Simmons to use that word?
Flashbacks to his math lessons during Roshi's training?
EDIT: It becomes even stranger in context when it's followed up a few minutes later with the classic, "That's what you call the weasel's last fart"!
Now that's a line Goku really would use.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
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by Gaffer Tape » Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:20 am
Exactly! That's why "miscalculation" was so weird!
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by sailorspazz » Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:23 am
Well, 'miscalculation' isn't such a big word in Japanese; Gokuu used the word 'gosan' in that scene, which translates to 'miscalculation'. Doesn't seem like too much of a vocabulary stretch for him in Japanese

But how to make the translation more properly 'hickified'....how about, "aw, shucks, that just dun' add up right."

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by Gaffer Tape » Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:42 am
Hehe, yeah, I figured it wasn't a problem in the Japanese. It just seemed like Simmons could have used a synonym that didn't sound so... educated. Like, basically, yeah, "that didn't add up" or "didn't come out like I expected." I'm not feeling too creative right now.