Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:14 am

Xyex wrote:
goku the krump dancer wrote:The thing that bothers me is that, if Gohan had become so much more powerful than Gotenks and Buu then why was he crushed so easily after Buu absorbed Gotenks and piccolo?? That must mean that Gohan wasnt that much stronger than Gotenks and that Gotenks would have beaten super Buu just as easily if he was serious from jump street.
It's actually pretty simple and logical.

Super Buu - 100
SSJ3 Gotenks - 105
Ultimate Gohan - 145
Super Buu2 - 205

No! Gotenks is closer to Gohan that he is too Shin Buu.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:24 pm

Bussani wrote:Well, technically it was Gohan who finally crushed Vegeta and ended the fight.

That is how I have always viewed it. In my opinion Gohan was the one that actually defeated Vegeta, not Goku.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:34 pm

Kid Buu wrote:
Bussani wrote:Well, technically it was Gohan who finally crushed Vegeta and ended the fight.
That is how I have always viewed it. In my opinion Gohan was the one that actually defeated Vegeta, not Goku.

It was a group effort. None of them could have won on their own. Gohan just put things over the top.

But it was clear what that battle was pointing to, which was Gohan, coming into more of his power. And throughout Namek. And then in the Cell Games.

I think it was pretty clear the story was building up to Gohan becoming the new hero. Unfortunately, it didn't take.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:11 am

penguintruth wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:
Bussani wrote:Well, technically it was Gohan who finally crushed Vegeta and ended the fight.
That is how I have always viewed it. In my opinion Gohan was the one that actually defeated Vegeta, not Goku.
It was a group effort. None of them could have won on their own.

Don't get me wrong, I one hundred percent agree with that.

Interestingly enough, here is what page 29 of the booklet that comes with the first Dragon Box says:
It was thought that even Goku would not be able defeat Vegeta. It was Goku's son Gohan who defeated Vegeta! There must have been many people who felt a new generation's arrival with this heoric deed.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:12 am

Kid Buu wrote:
Bussani wrote:Well, technically it was Gohan who finally crushed Vegeta and ended the fight.
That is how I have always viewed it. In my opinion Gohan was the one that actually defeated Vegeta, not Goku.

Gohan only transformed because of the Moon Ball. Vegeta defeated Vegeta.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:21 am

Vegeta's screw ups power most of the plot of DBZ.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:28 am

penguintruth wrote:Vegeta's screw ups power most of the plot of DBZ.

In Vegeta's defence, the moon ball wasn't such a screw up when he was crushing every bone in Goku's body.

Gaffer Tape · Post by **Gaffer Tape** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:50 am

But it was definitely a screw up when he got in the way of the weasel's last fart. That'll get you every time!

Piccolo Daimaoh · Post by **Piccolo Daimaoh** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:21 am

Senzu_Bean wrote:
No! Gotenks is closer to Gohan that he is too Shin Buu.

Shin Buu? What?

I think you mean Kid Buu or Pure Buu.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:06 am

Xyex wrote:
goku the krump dancer wrote:The thing that bothers me is that, if Gohan had become so much more powerful than Gotenks and Buu then why was he crushed so easily after Buu absorbed Gotenks and piccolo?? That must mean that Gohan wasnt that much stronger than Gotenks and that Gotenks would have beaten super Buu just as easily if he was serious from jump street.
It's actually pretty simple and logical.

Super Buu - 100
SSJ3 Gotenks - 105
Ultimate Gohan - 145
Super Buu2 - 205

Hey, Buu absorbed Piccolo, too!

... make that, like, 220!

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:22 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:
No! Gotenks is closer to Gohan that he is too Shin Buu.
Shin Buu? What?

I think you mean Kid Buu or Pure Buu.

No, Shin Buu = Super Buu.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:28 am

Rocketman wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:
Bussani wrote:Well, technically it was Gohan who finally crushed Vegeta and ended the fight.
That is how I have always viewed it. In my opinion Gohan was the one that actually defeated Vegeta, not Goku.
Gohan only transformed because of the Moon Ball. Vegeta defeated Vegeta.

Gohan only transformed into SSJ2 because of Cell's taunting. Cell defeated Cell.
Goku only transformed into SSJ because of Freeza killing Kuririn. Freeza defeated Freeza.
Vegeta only thought up using a spirit bomb against Buu because of that Buu took out too much of Goku's SSJ3 energy and was too tough. Buu defeated Buu.

See where I am going?

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:44 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:
No! Gotenks is closer to Gohan that he is too Shin Buu.
Shin Buu? What?

I think you mean Kid Buu or Pure Buu.
No, Shin Buu = Super Buu.

I really hate that fan term.

Godo wrote:Cell defeated Cell

So Steve's translation in movie 9 wasn't wrong after all?!

Post by **Herms** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:04 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:I really hate that fan term.

Me too. I can never remember if it's supposed to be shin as in "new" and refer to Super Boo, or shin as in "true" and refer to Kid Boo. And somehow I have a feeling neither do the people using the term.

Savage68 · Post by **Savage68** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:21 pm

'Shin' Buu is almost as bad as 'Chou' Gohan.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:24 pm

Herms wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:I really hate that fan term.
Me too. I can never remember if it's supposed to be shin as in "new" and refer to Super Boo, or shin as in "true" and refer to Kid Boo. And somehow I have a feeling neither do the people using the term.

That, and I think it just sounds stupid. I've always thought Super Boo sounded pretty good, since the Japanese call everything super-something anyway. And the Japanese name for him ("Evil Majin Boo" in the Daizenshuu, if I'm not mistaken) is used by English-speaking fans to refer to the skinny Boo anyway ("Pure-evil Majin Boo," right?), so it gets confusing.

Piccolo Daimaoh · Post by **Piccolo Daimaoh** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:18 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:
No! Gotenks is closer to Gohan that he is too Shin Buu.
Shin Buu? What?

I think you mean Kid Buu or Pure Buu.
No, Shin Buu = Super Buu.

No, Shin Buu = True Buu

Chou Buu = Super Buu

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:20 pm

I've never, ever seen a flat-out "Shin Buu" used as a reference to or name for any particular form or transformation of the character. Who uses this? Where? Is it specific to a single language's fanbase?

Piccolo Daimaoh · Post by **Piccolo Daimaoh** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:21 pm

VegettoEX wrote:I've never, ever seen a flat-out "Shin Buu" used as a reference to or name for any particular form or transformation of the character. Who uses this? Where? Is it specific to a single language's fanbase?

You're not alone, I've never seen it either.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:26 pm

VegettoEX wrote:I've never, ever seen a flat-out "Shin Buu" used as a reference to or name for any particular form or transformation of the character. Who uses this? Where? Is it specific to a single language's fanbase?

It's very commonly used on the My Favorite Games forum.

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