A "who'd win" topic, but not your average one

The S · Post by **The S** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:22 pm

Okay:
Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta, or Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta (after coming back)

Did the Majin spell make him stronger only when Majin, or did it last after he killed himself?

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:08 pm

I would say that Majin would be stronger... it was only a temporary gain.

Although, it's barely interesting enough to make how would win in a fight a decent topic. Maybe if you just asked if Majin powerups were temporary or not...

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:24 pm

Majin Vegeta would probably win. The magic gave his body an unatural edge. Remember when Spopovich got his head twisted all the way around?

The S · Post by **The S** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:58 am

Well, it's sort of become a mission of mine to try and make one of those "noob posts" like "Who would win?" and make it actually worth reading. Guess I failed (even in my opinion, I did ... :p )

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:48 pm

Well, don't beat yourself up over it.

Oh, by the way, Deus ex Machina is right. Even if you did keep the powerup, you definately wouldn't keep the insane powers to make you keep on going like that after getting your head twisted around.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:21 pm

Chibi SSJ2 Gohan vs Adult SSJ2 Gohan, anyone?

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:30 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Chibi SSJ2 Gohan vs Adult SSJ2 Gohan, anyone?

Oooo...good one. I put my money on 'Chibi' SSJ2 Gohan. I think it's pretty obvious Gohan hadn't trained in the last 7 years, and against Dabura it almost seemed like he had forgotten how to fight and become angry enough to become a SSJ2. During the Cell games, Gohan was at his peak and didn't have anything holding him back emotionally.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:24 am

Chibi!!! It's said over and over that Adult Gohan was way weaker than when he was a kid!

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:28 am

Oh, definitely Gohan as a child. It's exactly as Dayspring said. Goku actually says to Kaioshin that Darbura is about at the same level as Perfect Cell was, so if Gohan continued his training, he wouldn't have had any problems dispatching of Darbura at all.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:30 am

Vegeta: "That Dabura is a big deal to Kaioshin but not to us. He's only about as strong as Cell, weaker even!"

And yet Gohan was getting his ass kicked by Dabura?

I rest my case.

SonGohan-san · Post by **SonGohan-san** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:31 am

Was he ever even a SSJ2 as an "adult"?
He sure didn't look it.

The S · Post by **The S** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:33 am

Point in case...
Does that mean Babidi's other slaves... I mean henchmen would be weaker if he simply released them from his spell instead of killing them? Like Dabura in heaven... I know he turned fruity and all, but is he just as strong as he was in Babidi's control?

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:01 am

The S wrote:Point in case...
Does that mean Babidi's other slaves... I mean henchmen would be weaker if he simply released them from his spell instead of killing them? Like Dabura in heaven... I know he turned fruity and all, but is he just as strong as he was in Babidi's control?

As for Dabura, that's an interesting question. It's obvious that Spopovich, Yamu, and Vegeta became more powerful as evident by their bulging veiny muscles. However Dabura looked exactly the same, minus the stamp on his forehead. Their's no way to say for sure.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:24 am

I think he was probably always that strong. I don't think he was the king of the demons for nothing.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:26 pm

A question about Majin:

Does you being more evil make the strength increase greater, or does that only affect how well Babidi can control you?

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:34 pm

I think it only affects how well he can control you. Look at Yamu and Spopovich, they must have been pretty dishonourable guys as evidenced by how brutally Spopovich beat Videl. They did gain great strength and power, but it was nothing if you compare them to Goku and the others. Yes, Vegita's pride was the main reason Babidi couldn't control him, but I also personally feel a small part of it was because the evil in him had lessened greatly over the years. I think that's why he was so scared and disturbed, those kinds of feelings would have been new and alien to him. He had grown up and spent almost half his life being the other way, so there was a secure familiarity to it. He was uncomfortable with what he had become. Now I'm getting off topic though, so I'll shut up.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:34 pm

SonGohan-san wrote:Was he ever even a SSJ2 as an "adult"?
He sure didn't look it.

And you can tell?

He had hair spiking up all over, apart from one strand than hung down. That's about as close to an "official" Super Saiyan 2 look as you're going to get. That and the lightning, and they forgot that a fair amount of the time.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:44 pm

It's hard to tell, but I don't remember them ever forgetting the lightning completey. It's just that it's not consistent, and there are times where it barely sparks at all, to the point where it would look at the character for a couple of seconds without us seeing a single spark.

SonGohan-san · Post by **SonGohan-san** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:07 pm

No, I couldn't really tell.
That was my point.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:34 am

No, I mean...it's not easy to tell the difference between a SS 1 and a SS 2, apart from with Gohan (against Cell). And considering that the whole SS 1/2/3 system didn't come in until several episodes after, I'd be willing to bet that Toriyama just considered Gohan's "new form" to be his now standard Super Saiyan form, and didn't consider it Super Saiyan 2. At least, not until the point where he started sketching out Super Saiyan 3.

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